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06/03/2004 07:52:10 PM · #1 |
Hi everyone,
I am about to upgrade to a DSLR for the first time (I LOVE that Father's Day and my birthday are close together!), and I have narrowed down my choice to the Nikon D70 and Canon EOS-10D. I know all of the things that I love about both cameras, but I am interested in finding out from people who own those cameras what their least favorite things are about them. What things bug you about your camera that you found out after using it for awhile and maybe wish you had known before you bought it?
I'm not trying to start an ideological war here, I just want to figure out what the down sides of each camera are to compare them against the good sides. Or, if someone has an alternate camera suggestion, I'm all ears.
Thanks!
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06/03/2004 07:59:28 PM · #2 |
This won't be of much help, but my least favorite feature about DSLRs (both the D70 and the 10D would qualify fully for this distinction) is that the addiction you succumb to when getting one will suck your wallet dry. You'll quickly wish for a father's day and birthday each *quarter* instead of each year. :-)
Seriously, though, I found that the major drawback when I got the 300D was the quality of the kit lens. Don't get me wrong, it's great, but once I had a taste of fine-quality professional glass, I knew that my camera wasn't living up to its potential with the cheap lenses. Now that I own a few high-end lenses, my enjoyment and pride in my photos has gone up immensely.
You'll be thrilled with the upgrade to a DSLR, I'm certain! Let us know what you get! |
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06/03/2004 07:59:54 PM · #3 |
My least favorite feature of the DSLR is that I can't see what ISO i'm shooting at when I look through the viewfinder. My most common mistake with the DSLR is shooting at the wrong ISO for my intended results. Sometimes it's obvious when I see a shutter speed that is out of whack. Other times it's not so obvious...
Message edited by author 2004-06-03 20:00:26. |
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06/03/2004 08:01:04 PM · #4 |
I thought lack of ISO 100 would bug me the most on the D70, but honestly it hasn't bothered me a bit. The most annoyings thing about D70 and DSLR's in general, for me:
a) dust on the sensor chip
b) harder to get different POV shots, because your eye HAS to be on the viewfinder
Most annoying things about the D70 specifically:
a) Nikon capture 4.1: nice piece of software that comes with the camera, but only trial basis. You have to pay for it believe it or not.
b) The fact that it doesnt store the lens name or ISO rating in the EXIF fields, but rather encoded in the manafacturer data field, so only some programs can read it. |
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06/03/2004 08:07:33 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by dhare:
I thought lack of ISO 100 would bug me the most on the D70, but honestly it hasn't bothered me a bit. The most annoyings thing about D70 and DSLR's in general, for me:
a) dust on the sensor chip
b) harder to get different POV shots, because your eye HAS to be on the viewfinder
Most annoying things about the D70 specifically:
a) Nikon capture 4.1: nice piece of software that comes with the camera, but only trial basis. You have to pay for it believe it or not.
b) The fact that it doesnt store the lens name or ISO rating in the EXIF fields, but rather encoded in the manafacturer data field, so only some programs can read it. |
In contrast, Canon does have ISO 100, which I love for it's unparalleled smoothness, especially for long exposures.
The Canon File Viewer software is free, and comes with the Camera, but it's also not very good. It's so SLOW as to be unusable for working with batches of RAW files. I quickly switched to alternate RAW workflow.
I will echo what John said about not seeing the ISO in the viewfinder. Just today, I meant to be at ISO100, and realized after I got home from shooting that I'd done it all at 400. Grrr... But I think that's the same for the D70 and 10D.
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06/03/2004 08:08:44 PM · #6 |
I'm not too sure if there was anything I didn't know about the 10D when i bought it.
The most annoying thing for me though, was the 1.6x crop factor with lenses.
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06/03/2004 08:19:32 PM · #7 |
| For me, keeping the camera clean and being careful to keep dust out of the body is pretty annoying. I liken SLR cameras to high-performance sports cars, where as a point and shoot would be a Honda Accord. The point and shoot is reliable and functional, but when you need it to really perform it gets the doors blown off. SLRs on the other hand, are finicky and require regular maintenance to keep it performing. Still, an SLR can do things P&S cameras just can't and for me, the trade off of higher maintenance is worth it. |
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06/03/2004 08:26:12 PM · #8 |
| The only truly annoying D70 for me is the playback time. It's very short, around 5 seconds. I can't make it longer, either. If I want to study a shot for more time, I've got to zoom in, which isn't helpful if I'm trying to judge overall composition. |
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06/03/2004 08:34:10 PM · #9 |
Wow - thanks for all the quick feedback. This definitely helps.
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06/03/2004 09:04:29 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Koriyama:
The only truly annoying D70 for me is the playback time. It's very short, around 5 seconds. I can't make it longer, either. If I want to study a shot for more time, I've got to zoom in, which isn't helpful if I'm trying to judge overall composition. |
You can change how long a shot stays on the LCD after you take a shot, it's in the options menu. |
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06/03/2004 10:49:11 PM · #11 |
The main thing that bugs me the most about the 10D is the lack of a spot meter.
Edit: ... and the way the camera handles E-TTL metering - via the current active focus point, and can't be changed except via workarounds (e.g. manual focus, or using * button to focus).
:)atwl
Message edited by author 2004-06-03 22:50:50.
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06/03/2004 11:21:25 PM · #12 |
not being able to use the lcd to take pics fo'sho!
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06/03/2004 11:28:38 PM · #13 |
Dust worries. When to change lenses safely, where to change lenses safely, how to change lenses safely, ect. Gets quite anoying. That or walk around with the sigma 50-500 and try to never change lenses.
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06/03/2004 11:31:55 PM · #14 |
Not trying to ruffle anyones feathers, but i'm just wondering:
Did anyone expect to be able to use the LCD as a viewfinder?
Because it is an SLR, and having used film SLR's in the past, I in no way expected it... |
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06/04/2004 12:41:28 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by wimbello:
Not trying to ruffle anyones feathers, but i'm just wondering:
Did anyone expect to be able to use the LCD as a viewfinder?
Because it is an SLR, and having used film SLR's in the past, I in no way expected it... |
LOL I have seen a lot of those in the local stores - the camera newbies who come in and take the jump straight up to a Nikon D70. The first thing they do when the shop owner shows them the camera is ask how to turn on the LCD. :)))
:)atwl
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06/04/2004 12:48:31 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Adrian Tung:
LOL I have seen a lot of those in the local stores - the camera newbies who come in and take the jump straight up to a Nikon D70. The first thing they do when the shop owner shows them the camera is ask how to turn on the LCD. :)))
:)atwl |
Phew! I thought I'd killed the thread!
I know exactly what you mean.... Silly newbies... always go for the Nikon. Don't they know: Canon's are better! |
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06/04/2004 12:48:40 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by wimbello:
Not trying to ruffle anyones feathers, but i'm just wondering:
Did anyone expect to be able to use the LCD as a viewfinder?
Because it is an SLR, and having used film SLR's in the past, I in no way expected it... |
I seriously thought, that because it is digital, I could look at the lcd screen to frame my shot. And I spent about a half hour trying to figure out how to turn it on, reading through the packet for my rebel that you can't use it.
Haha. It doesn't bother me though. I'm used my 35mm too. |
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06/04/2004 01:35:39 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by dhare:
Originally posted by Koriyama:
The only truly annoying D70 for me is the playback time. It's very short, around 5 seconds. I can't make it longer, either. If I want to study a shot for more time, I've got to zoom in, which isn't helpful if I'm trying to judge overall composition. |
You can change how long a shot stays on the LCD after you take a shot, it's in the options menu. |
Can you help me through this? I can find that control anywhere. |
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06/04/2004 06:24:40 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by Koriyama:
Originally posted by dhare:
Originally posted by Koriyama:
The only truly annoying D70 for me is the playback time...to judge overall composition. |
You can change how long a shot stays on the LCD after you take a shot, it's in the options menu. |
Can you help me through this? I can find that control anywhere. |
This is in CSM Menu # 22 Monitor Off. 10sec, 20sec, on up to like 10 minutes. Need more time for CHIMPING eh? LOL
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06/04/2004 06:26:59 AM · #20 |
I do like the feature on my 5700 with the rotatable and movable LCD. ALlows me to stick my camera on the tripod and up and over things, etc.
Only had the D70 one day (and has to go to the shop), I love it more because of the quality so far.
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06/04/2004 06:30:04 AM · #21 |
Having to compose through the viewfinder is definatly a drawback in those awkward angled situations, such as low on the ground or high in the air. Also, the size makes it harder to be discreet. The fact it's so expensive also means I'm worried to take it to a lot of places where I would like to take photos (parties etc). I'm now trying to win a smaller cam since I'm broke :)
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06/04/2004 07:01:09 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by wkoffel:
I will echo what John said about not seeing the ISO in the viewfinder. Just today, I meant to be at ISO100, and realized after I got home from shooting that I'd done it all at 400. Grrr... But I think that's the same for the D70 and 10D. |
But doest it realy matter. You can have silky smooth images at ISO 400 in the Canon and I supose it´s the same for the Nikon. Expecially if you filter the images in NeatImage or other noise reducing programs.
Philip, I recomend you go to the camerastore and fit the cameras in you hand and play around with them. Choose the one that feels better in you hand. Think the quality difference is very litle. It´s question about personal preference. |
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06/04/2004 07:28:37 AM · #23 |
garlic states the best advice. get your hands on it. I liked the D70 more because it felt more stable in my hand and quite a few of the buttons are in the same place as on my 5700.
For the crouching on the ground etc. I think there are eyepieces for many SLR/DSLR's to assist with this (90 degree, 2x and 3x converters, rotatable, etc.). More toys! |
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06/04/2004 07:33:44 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by dacrazyrn:
More toys! |
More money :(
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06/04/2004 07:53:41 AM · #25 |
Thanks again to everyone for your advice. I've been to the store to try them out and prefer the feel of the Canon, which is the way that I'm leaning. But there's so much to love about the Nikon that I just wanted to get additional opinions before making the investment.
Thanks!
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