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06/03/2004 12:27:49 PM · #1 |
| The other day John Kerry was talking to a group of children at the Vietnam Memorial Wall. At some point during the talk a guy starts heckling him. Senator Kerry becomes so enraged he brazenly flips the guy the bird right in front of the kids. Man, what an inspiration for small children everywhere. I believe a similar incident inspired young Bill Clinton while meeting with JFK in the rose garden. |
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06/03/2004 01:13:24 PM · #2 |
I love it when someone asks John Kerry a real question at a press conference or an "interface" with the "public". He flips out and looses his cool so quickly...
Bush may be a piss poor speaker, but at least he doesn't resort to 4th grade antics after a slight nudge!
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06/03/2004 01:19:51 PM · #3 |
What really irks me is that when George Bush does something silly or sticks his foot in his mouth somehow - it's all over the papers and news. However ..... if Kerry does, you very rarely hear about it.
There'e something about John Kerry that I just can't stomach. |
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06/03/2004 01:58:29 PM · #4 |
| not to be rude.. but there are thousands and thousands of political forums on the net, I don't come here to discuss politics :) |
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06/03/2004 02:11:17 PM · #5 |
That's why this is in the rant forum ; ) pretty much anything goes
Originally posted by aerogurl:
not to be rude.. but there are thousands and thousands of political forums on the net, I don't come here to discuss politics :) |
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06/03/2004 02:44:42 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Sammie:
What really irks me is that when George Bush does something silly or sticks his foot in his mouth somehow - it's all over the papers and news. However ..... if Kerry does, you very rarely hear about it.
There'e something about John Kerry that I just can't stomach. |
You should read this if you think Bush is all that. Some of it is quite dismissable, but the bulk of it is fact based.
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06/03/2004 03:52:05 PM · #7 |
It is interesting to look in to the background on this. The person who asked the 'real question' or 'started heckling' has quite a bit of a past with John Kerry. He is the president of 'Veterans against John Kerry' and spends most of his life attacking or heckling Kerry when he can get near. The person's name is Ted Sampley, and here is a press release from John McCain on this person:
Statement of Senator John McCain:
"I strongly caution reporters who may be contacted by or are interested in Mr. Ted Sampley and the various organizations he claims to represent, and his opinions on the subject of Senator Kerry, or any subject for that matter, to investigate thoroughly Mr. Sampley's background and history of spreading outrageous slander and other disreputable behavior before inadvertently lending him or his allegations any credibility.
I am well familiar with Mr. Sampley, and I know him to be one of the most despicable people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. I consider him a fraud who preys on the hopes of family members of missing servicemen for his own profit. He is dishonorable, an enemy of the truth, and despite his claims, he does not speak for or represent the views of all but a few veterans. The many veterans I know would think it a disgrace to be considered a comrade or supporter of Ted Sampley."
You might even think that he was provked quite a bit, given the background of it. But as ever, we must think about the children |
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06/03/2004 04:57:17 PM · #8 |
I would like to take a poll to see how many of those kids had/had not seen someone give someone else "the bird" before ... my own personal guess is that more than half can do it equally well with either hand ...
I suppose Mr. Kerry could have responded in a more "Presidential" way, like having the guy handcuffed and dragged off, or maybe getting the IRS to conduct another audit on him ... |
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06/03/2004 05:03:32 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
You might even think that he was provked quite a bit, given the background of it. But as ever, we must think about the children |
It doesn't really matter who heckled him or if there were children present. What matters is his absolute lack of class and restraint. That combined with his apparent love for the F-word leads me to think the guy's got a short fuse. Now that I've seen how he handles skiing accidents and public heckling I'm wondering how he'd act in a real world crisis. |
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06/03/2004 05:04:04 PM · #10 |
And of course the children were in no way shape or form impacted by the polite, soothing phrases I'm sure Mister Sampley was directing at Senator Kerry. :)
Clara
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06/03/2004 05:11:59 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I suppose Mr. Kerry could have responded in a more "Presidential" way, like having the guy handcuffed and dragged off... |
Hold on, were not talking about that president. Besides that supposedly only happened when he was governor :) |
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06/03/2004 05:20:30 PM · #12 |
If one is expected to grant a waiver to a response "in kind" vis-a-vis Kerry is to be excused because Samply was crude, then one must be likewise expected to grant a waiver to the Abu Ghraib actions in light of the actions of the mob that killed, hung, and burned the U.S. contractors earlier.
Sorry, but for me, you cannot excuse your own improper behavior because someone else doesn't act properly.
Ron
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06/03/2004 05:36:07 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by RonB:
Sorry, but for me, you cannot excuse your own improper behavior because someone else doesn't act properly.
Ron |
I totally agree. I am from Kerry's home state, and frankly this information does not make me feel all fuzzy and warm about him. (Not that I feel all fuzzy and warm about any politician.. but...).
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06/03/2004 05:39:50 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by blemt:
And of course the children were in no way shape or form impacted by the polite, soothing phrases I'm sure Mister Sampley was directing at Senator Kerry. :)
Clara |
You're missing the point. Is Mr. Sampley running for public office? There are lots of people that do undignified things in front of children. However, I'd expect a publicly elected official show a little more class. I also think it gives us a little insight into the guy's character or lack thereof. Do you feel confident electing a leader that can't show self-restraint in such a frivolous matter? |
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06/03/2004 05:43:17 PM · #15 |
Oooooooh.....oooooooooooooh....John Kerry flipped the "Finger" ....oooooooooh.......ooooooooooh
I guess you right wing pundits have nothing better to do with your time than talk about a non-issue like flipping the bird...As if Boy George has never done any cursing. Why don't you talk about some real issues like if King George the Lessor's friends' at Enron have been illegally manipulating the California energy market to drive up prices. Or how VP Tricky Dicky has not disclosed what energy companies he met with during meetings in 2001 that helped to shape his energy plan for the country. It's all about partisan politics for you guys, but no real substantive issues do you bring up. |
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06/03/2004 05:59:07 PM · #16 |
Curious about this, seems the only place that reports anything about it is newsmax.com or points back to newsmax.com. You'd think in the current media frenzy around both lead candidates for the election in the US that someone, somewhere other than this one web site might have mentioned it or even have a picture, given the photographic mob that follows these guys around.
I'm sure RonB in his usual fact checking way will be all over this looking for the truth behind the story. The only thing I could find about newsmax.com was a description of it as the Right Wing's World Weekly News |
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06/03/2004 06:07:29 PM · #17 |
| I wouldn't be surprised if Newsmax and the Rush and Hannity media people aren't behind this type of heckler and his group is a phony one. I just went checking on the net for info about his group, VietNam Veterens against John Kerry and couldn't get any solid information. |
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06/03/2004 09:42:30 PM · #18 |
ok in response to anyone saying its really not a big deal...
even if he was provoked that doesnt make his reaction ok. a good leader is someone who is a leader all the time not just when its "important." one of my biggest pet peeves is someone running for a leadership position (even if it is just high school student council) and "misbehaving" until its time to give a speech then acting like an angel. no thats not how it works. you have to be setting an example at all times... |
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06/03/2004 09:50:55 PM · #19 |
Oh, please. If this really happened the mainstream media would be all over it.
-Terry
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06/03/2004 09:54:39 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I wouldn't be surprised if Newsmax and the Rush and Hannity media people aren't behind this type of heckler and his group is a phony one. I just went checking on the net for info about his group, VietNam Veterens against John Kerry and couldn't get any solid information. |
Funny, I guess its a joke.
As for Gordons post about the dude being a real a-hole> I have no doubt he is. And thats actually reason to like Kerry more. At least he decided on a finger and did not flip flop on what finger to use. :) |
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06/03/2004 10:08:31 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:
Oh, please. If this really happened the mainstream media would be all over it.
-Terry |
They are way too busy at the Laci Peterson trial. BTW, I dont know if it happened or not, but to say its some plot from conseritive talk show hosts is silly. Thats my only point with a little humor thrown in :) |
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06/03/2004 10:11:49 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
They are way too busy at the Laci Peterson trial. BTW, I dont know if it happened or not, but to say its some plot from conseritive talk show hosts is silly. Thats my only point with a little humor thrown in :) |
I'm not saying it's a plot, more likely a hoax.
-Terry
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06/03/2004 11:04:25 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
They are way too busy at the Laci Peterson trial. |
That would be the Scott Peterson trial. Laci was the victim, and is not on trial (at least by the State). |
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06/03/2004 11:08:37 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by thelsel:
The other day John Kerry was talking to a group of children at the Vietnam Memorial Wall. At some point during the talk a guy starts heckling him. Senator Kerry becomes so enraged he brazenly flips the guy the bird right in front of the kids. Man, what an inspiration for small children everywhere. I believe a similar incident inspired young Bill Clinton while meeting with JFK in the rose garden. |
Stop reading "Onion".
Nothing wrong with Kery,Veteran,three times wounded,nice decent man!
I wish we have more like him in DC... |
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06/03/2004 11:20:59 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Riggs:
They are way too busy at the Laci Peterson trial. |
That would be the Scott Peterson trial. Laci was the victim, and is not on trial (at least by the State). |
Edited because its not worth responding to.
Message edited by author 2004-06-03 23:22:14. |
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