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07/31/2015 02:53:01 PM · #451 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Luciemac:
In my experience of baiting hunters and "strappers" (who fall into the trap every time, then paint themselves into corners), almost anyone who's challenged on their hunting activities (of any sort), or have been brainwashed into thinking Obama and/or the gummint is out to get their guns, or are otherwise terrified of losing these valuable symbols of their courage and power (since God, sadly, didn't see fit to give them any at birth like, say, sharks), that someone has the utter gall to insult them and their incredibly dangerous hobby: they'll always come up with some reason for needing more, indicating (indirectly) that they're more important than children's, beasts', or others' lives, no matter what the stats tell them about the dangers.
NOTHING matters more than owning, keeping, carrying, USING that gun. It begins with fear and ends, wwaaayyy down the road, somewhere between ground hogs and rats. ANY excuse will do, as long as it supports their addiction. |
I simply cannot believe that you won't even discuss this rationally.
Unless someone says something that you like, no amount of facts, logic, reason, and common sense will keep you from being incorrect, offensive, and just plain clueless.
I give up.......you're just not worth the effort. |
I think I said I was done with you, Jeb. But, of course, I'll discuss it rationally if you will.
I'd love, more than anything, to be your friend. And, when you become rational, cogent, put down your guns, stop drooling, sputtering, exploding your brain, and start realizing that other people with morals just MAY disagree with slaughtering other creatures that breathe, eat, sleep and procreate....just like we do.....perhaps we can, at the very least agree, to disagree. |
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07/31/2015 02:56:54 PM · #452 |
"That would be where subterfuge comes into play my dear.
ETA: Clearly an art you have no understanding of at all. :-)"
Gosh, Cory, oh Great One.....I'd LOVE to understand if you'll grant me your wisdom! How does "subterfuge" come into play when you're packin' and you pick up a hitchhiker? Please do tell us!! |
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07/31/2015 02:59:02 PM · #453 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
In my experience of baiting hunters and "strappers" (who fall into the trap every time, then paint themselves into corners) |
Sadly, the only person in this venue that has painted herself in a corner is YOU, but you do not seem to possess the acuity to realize that very fact.
You have yet to counter any of the points made other than making rather juvenile snide comments, replete with unwarranted and totally unjustifiable attacks on their manhood.
As for courage, I really have nothing to learn from the likes of you in matters where courage is a requirement. I have no idea if you have ever faced an armed individual, but can attest to the fact that I have and on more than one occasion.
As Jeb so aptly noted, You truly are not worth the effort.
Ray |
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07/31/2015 03:52:18 PM · #454 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Luciemac:
In my experience of baiting hunters and "strappers" (who fall into the trap every time, then paint themselves into corners) |
Sadly, the only person in this venue that has painted herself in a corner is YOU, but you do not seem to possess the acuity to realize that very fact.
You have yet to counter any of the points made other than making rather juvenile snide comments, replete with unwarranted and totally unjustifiable attacks on their manhood.
As for courage, I really have nothing to learn from the likes of you in matters where courage is a requirement. I have no idea if you have ever faced an armed individual, but can attest to the fact that I have and on more than one occasion.
As Jeb so aptly noted, You truly are not worth the effort.
Ray |
I have been in armed conflict on several occasions. Courage I have found out comes in many shapes and forms. I do not believe that courage is a requirement to fight back against a pursuer but it is helpful. Sorry I just wanted to put my 2 cents in I have not had much time today to check here.
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07/31/2015 04:11:23 PM · #455 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
"That would be where subterfuge comes into play my dear.
ETA: Clearly an art you have no understanding of at all. :-)"
Gosh, Cory, oh Great One.....I'd LOVE to understand if you'll grant me your wisdom! How does "subterfuge" come into play when you're packin' and you pick up a hitchhiker? Please do tell us!! |
Explaining this to you will be tricky, but I'll give it a shot.
Assuming that the hitchhiker is also armed, and wishes to rob & kill me, the plan would be to appear 100% compliant until they are distracted even a tiny bit, then moving as quickly as possible, the idea would be to draw and fire upon them before they fire upon you.
Yes, the odds aren't great, but they're significantly better than 0%, which would be your chances if you are NOT armed. Think it over. |
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07/31/2015 04:21:49 PM · #456 |
 Cory Tat was a very good explanation.....and hat is exactly what to do. (at least that is what I would do as well)
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07/31/2015 04:34:32 PM · #457 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Cory Tat was a very good explanation.....and hat is exactly what to do. (at least that is what I would do as well) |
Thanks cowboy, I appreciate that.
Funny enough, I just read that the murderer we're talking about that killed the good Samaritans was, in fact, using a .22 rifle.
Furthermore, he apparently held it to the head of one of the victims.
In THAT situation I wouldn't even bother drawing my weapon, nor would I need one, holding a gun to someone's head (assuming they are trained in self defense to a reasonable level) is a GREAT way to die. All you'd need to do in that case would be to quickly dodge left or right with your head, while grabbing the rifle barrel with your hand, and then go offensive on the perp. Chances are very good that a trained individual could disarm him and subdue the idiot until the police arrived.
This is the real irony in Lucie's argument about the size of my dick - I've got damn near a decade of martial arts training, guns aren't really my first choice in close quarters combat, but I'd wager she'll find some way to impugn my manhood for feeling the need to take self defense training at all.
Message edited by author 2015-07-31 16:36:23. |
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07/31/2015 04:39:49 PM · #458 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
[...]people with morals just MAY disagree with slaughtering other creatures that breathe, eat, sleep and procreate....just like we do.....perhaps we can, at the very least agree, to disagree. |
So, can you possibly explain why it's ok for you to eat meat? That shit doesn't grow on trees ya know.
ETA: People with morals just MAY agree with slaughtering other creatures too, and in fact, most of the more reasonable ones can easily see how cruel the industrialized meat processing system we use is, and the moral superiority of killing wild animals instead. And of course, they would also argue that the ONLY real moral high ground is a vegetarian lifestyle.
You really don't want to play games with me on this, I'm fairly well educated in theology, ethics and morals, I'd wager I know a great deal more than you on the subject and have a much richer understanding of the entire field of study.
Message edited by author 2015-07-31 16:43:39. |
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07/31/2015 04:52:12 PM · #459 |
Originally posted by Cory:
This is the real irony in Lucie's argument about the size of my dick - I've got damn near a decade of martial arts training, guns aren't really my first choice in close quarters combat, but I'd wager she'll find some way to impugn my manhood for feeling the need to take self defense training at all. |
You don't need self defense classes or a gun....Just shower them with love and affection and they will automatically change their ways. Then you can sit around a campfire and sing coumbaye (ok I don't know how to spell that songs name)
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07/31/2015 06:06:45 PM · #460 |
"This is the real irony in Lucie's argument about the size of my dick "
I actually I was referring to the gun culture in general, i.e. ALL your dicks. Not just yours, Cory, but I'm sure it's huge. And, you'll notice, none of you can let it drop...every one of you has mentioned it more than once. :-) But, that's to be expected.......
Hitchiker scenario: is there a reason you wouldn't just pass up the hitchhiker? You have the whole thing planned, huh? But, if you lived through the confrontation (which I'm SURE you would!), you'd be quite the headline on FOX News!
"You really don't want to play games with me on this, I'm fairly well educated in theology, ethics and morals, I'd wager I know a great deal more than you on the subject and have a much richer understanding of the entire field of study."
I've already been playing you like a violin for days now, and I'm winning because you DON'T GET IT. I'm well-educated, too, and theology, ethics, and morals are all completely subjective (look that up if you don't know what it means), and I get to have my own perspective on every single one of them. Whether you like it or not.
You seem to think that because I don't believe in killing other breathing beings for fun (the way you do), that I'm somehow "immoral" for eating meat. If you get real quiet, put the gun down and have a nice, cold beer, it'll come to you. I promise.
As for me being worth it or not.....sadly, I think you're all probably well worth knowing. I actually love men. Very much. There's something "worth it" about everyone in the end. It's sad you're too busy worrying about how to shoot them or not be shot by them to realize it. |
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07/31/2015 06:34:48 PM · #461 |
| Lucie, I'M not talking about Dicks. Is that why you're ignoring me? I do acknowledge that you're intelligent and articulate, BTW; that's why you're so good at button-pushing, and I know damned well YOU know that's not the same as reasoned debate. Which is more-or-less why everyone's up in arms, which of course is what you're after, right? It's an art you're very skilled at, inflammatory button-pushing. |
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07/31/2015 06:48:50 PM · #462 |
LOL, I love that the only part of my statement worth quoting was the vulgar bit, and the inflammatory bit.
And, yes, Lucie, you are exactly right, morals and ethics are, in fact, completely (or nearly so) subjective. About time you got a fact right, congrats.
Message edited by author 2015-07-31 18:53:25. |
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07/31/2015 06:50:08 PM · #463 |
As for your position on eating meat, you've done a particularly poor job of articulating your reasoning. Try again perhaps?
Also, I think you'd be quite interested to know that none of my firearms are within 2000 miles of the place I currently call home. What, exactly, does that say to you?
In response to your "why wouldn't you just pass the hitchhiker, instead of taking the risk of picking them up?" question; the answer is simple, I'd rather do what feels right than live my life huddling in fear of every potential attacker. You, on the other hand, despite your bravado and rhetoric, have shown yourself to be quite the coward. Ironic, given your position that gun ownership is a clear sign of the same.
As for playing me like a violin, you clearly are playing a rather tuneless and childish composition. Consider that you may well simply be the strings upon my own instrument.
Message edited by author 2015-07-31 19:32:43. |
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07/31/2015 09:44:27 PM · #464 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Consider that you may well simply be the strings upon my own instrument. |
Geesh, Cory, gettin a liddle wee bit florid with the metaphors, are we? |
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07/31/2015 09:48:22 PM · #465 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
Consider that you may well simply be the strings upon my own instrument. |
Geesh, Cory, gettin a liddle wee bit florid with the metaphors, are we? |
ROFL! Are you suggesting Cory is getting his jollies? :D |
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07/31/2015 10:30:37 PM · #466 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
Consider that you may well simply be the strings upon my own instrument. |
Geesh, Cory, gettin a liddle wee bit florid with the metaphors, are we? |
I hate to admit it, but the innuendo was only noticed by me after the comment was posted. I did, admittedly, find it amusing and left it be. So, while quite pleased with the depth of that, it was at least partially unintentional.
Message edited by author 2015-07-31 22:32:45. |
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07/31/2015 10:30:58 PM · #467 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Cory:
Consider that you may well simply be the strings upon my own instrument. |
Geesh, Cory, gettin a liddle wee bit florid with the metaphors, are we? |
ROFL! Are you suggesting Cory is getting his jollies? :D |
Too right! ;-) |
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08/01/2015 09:49:35 AM · #468 |
Too funny not to share...
Texas man shoots armadillo, bullet ricochets back into his face... Karmadillo! //www.cbc.ca/news/world/texas-man-shoots-armadillo-bullet-ricochets-back-into-his-face-1.3176390 |
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08/01/2015 09:30:55 PM · #469 |
A much better weapon to use if killing an armadillo is an ar-15 |
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08/01/2015 09:56:56 PM · #470 |
His wife trained the armadillo. You'll note they had to wire his jaw closed.
:-) |
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08/02/2015 06:56:38 AM · #471 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
A much better weapon to use if killing an armadillo is an ar-15 |
Pfft. Everyone knows those are assault rifles made specifically for killing babies. |
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08/02/2015 01:27:47 PM · #472 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Lucie, I'M not talking about Dicks. Is that why you're ignoring me? I do acknowledge that you're intelligent and articulate, BTW; that's why you're so good at button-pushing, and I know damned well YOU know that's not the same as reasoned debate. Which is more-or-less why everyone's up in arms, which of course is what you're after, right? It's an art you're very skilled at, inflammatory button-pushing. |
Robert, I'm sorry you felt left out. We can certainly talk about your dick if you want to.
As far as reasoned debate: you can't HAVE reasoned debate with two such disparate points of view. Neither side sees anything TO debate. WE are "right", respectively. Period. End of debate.
One side (me) makes a completely legitimate point about the "immorality" (my subjective view) about killing for fun, which I think only a couple of you have admitted. The rest got defensive, outraged, insulted at having your manhood questioned, fired back with stuff about your rural lifestyle, my idiocy, my jerkiness, my ignorance of the real world, my hypocrisy, my hatred of men, my naiveté, revulsion at the fact I might enjoy your photos, but wouldn't be allowed to view them in Real Life because I might hurt someone.....it's like watching those snarling cartoons of kangaroos on their hind legs wearing boxing gloves and jumping around like crickets. Pretty funny from this side of the fence. :-D
But, yes, Robert: I know EXACTLY how to button-push and I usually know EXACTLY how certain peeps will respond. You didn't disappoint! Men who share my particular POV will respond a certain way, too. Men are usually just that: men. That's not at all an insult, btw....when I said love men, I meant it.
Message edited by author 2015-08-02 13:28:57. |
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08/02/2015 01:56:45 PM · #473 |
ROFL, I like how you've chosen to talk about Robert's meat instead of addressing my legitimate query on your ethical reasoning that allows you to demonize killing anything, for any reason, but yet you still eat meat, and not just any meat, but possibly meat from the cruelest possible source.
Until you can explain this, I'm left to conclude that you're either seriously unbalanced, or that you're just trolling, as I find both of these theories far more credible than the alternative of you actually believing half the shit you manage to write.
Message edited by author 2015-08-02 14:00:34. |
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08/02/2015 02:44:04 PM · #474 |
One thing we guys need to be aware of here is that Lucie's apparently equating pleasure with immorality. Ignoring (for the moment) the heavy Calvinist undertones here, one's still left with the idea that it probably/apparently/perfectly rationally would be OK in her eyes to kill for food as long as you hated every minute of it while you were doing it. Which leads me to wonder; does the lion feel any sort of atavistic thrill as it takes down the gazelle in a flurry of fur and blood. And if it DOES, if the lion's heart beats a little faster as it stalks its prey and prepares to strike, is that somehow immoral? Have you ever seen the highly satisfied grin of a frog that's nailed a fly, BTW? I know, I know... don't talk to me about anthropomorphism, we're special and foolish creatures, we humans :-)
Message edited by author 2015-08-02 14:45:23. |
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08/02/2015 03:02:26 PM · #475 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
One thing we guys need to be aware of here is that Lucie's apparently equating pleasure with immorality. |
And yet, she 'loves men', in order to be ethically consistent a turkey baster would be more appropriate. |
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