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02/10/2015 10:41:21 AM · #26 |
So exciting! This puts you on the map.
Congratulations. |
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02/10/2015 11:11:45 AM · #27 |
| How do you even start such a search? ?? Do you spend all day staring at Google Earth...? |
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02/10/2015 12:23:33 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
How do you even start such a search? ?? Do you spend all day staring at Google Earth...? |
LOL.. I was testing a newly released batynetric viewer that the NOAA released a couple of years ago. Saw the structure immediate knew what it was. Spent about six months trying to disprove my idea, and could not. Now with the latest confirmation of liklihood, we've moved into the funding stage. Fortunately, this is literally in Oprah's front yard, so I've appealed to her and one other investor to support the research needed to fully confirm this as a real discovery. |
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02/10/2015 12:25:52 PM · #29 |
That is so awesome.
Hey, if she has any pets, would you ask her if i can do their portrait...??
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02/10/2015 01:54:28 PM · #30 |
What will you be looking for to prove it's a meteor crash site?
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02/10/2015 02:01:09 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by nygold:
What will you be looking for to prove it's a meteor crash site? |
Normally, what would be done is more detailed scanning of the feature to try to document not only the existing topography but also the structure below the surface to look at how it has been deformed. They also might take cores to determine if there is shocked material, which would be the give-away. I'm sure Cory has forgotten more than I ever knew about this, LOL so take what I say with a grain of salt.
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02/10/2015 02:13:23 PM · #32 |
| dont take this question the wrong way, but what stands to be gained from determining if this is in fact a crater? Why spend funds on this research and not something else? |
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02/10/2015 02:14:50 PM · #33 |
| so they're dredging sand over your crater and ruining the evidence? |
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02/10/2015 02:20:00 PM · #34 |
Came across a tutorial a few months ago on using Photoshop to create Landsat images from the public-domain data. The images are recorded in many bands besides visible light -- it may be that you can generate a false-color photo which will give you a different view.
And here is a tutorial for doing it using open source tools ... |
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02/10/2015 02:25:59 PM · #35 |
You want a crater? I can get you a crater, believe me. There are ways, Cory. You don't wanna know about it, believe me. Hell, I can get you a crater by 3 o'clock this afternoon.
What Mike said... It's cool that you found it, but what's the point of paying lots of money to investigate it further? |
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02/10/2015 03:28:35 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Mike:
dont take this question the wrong way, but what stands to be gained from determining if this is in fact a crater? Why spend funds on this research and not something else? |
That's the process that Cory is in right now. If folks believe that learning more about the feature is important, vs. other priorities, it will get funded. If not, then perhaps it will get delayed, or never funded. My bet is on the first outcome. Understanding the impact history of our planet is a very important matter. This is not a large crater, but a very recent one, so it sheds light on what Earth has experienced in a timeframe that includes humans. In fact, if the feature is a crater, it's very likely that it occurred within the frame of human occupation of North America, probably that local area.
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02/10/2015 03:58:45 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by nygold:
What will you be looking for to prove it's a meteor crash site? |
Normally, what would be done is more detailed scanning of the feature to try to document not only the existing topography but also the structure below the surface to look at how it has been deformed. They also might take cores to determine if there is shocked material, which would be the give-away. I'm sure Cory has forgotten more than I ever knew about this, LOL so take what I say with a grain of salt. |
You've pretty much got it.
The clincher will be either direct extraterrestrial material, or what is known as "Shatter Cone. With luck a diver could get us what we need - without that luck we'll need a couple of core-samples. |
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02/10/2015 04:01:40 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
You want a crater? I can get you a crater, believe me. There are ways, Cory. You don't wanna know about it, believe me. Hell, I can get you a crater by 3 o'clock this afternoon.
What Mike said... It's cool that you found it, but what's the point of paying lots of money to investigate it further? |
Don't need any reason beyond the science. Science, at it's core, is curiosity. I want to know if that is an impact crater.
The crucial point is that this is pure science. We don't do this to do anything other than to push the science forward. Who knows what we might learn.
Don't confuse this with applied science - in those cases you need to have some reason or goal - such a reason or goal would actually be seen as a bad thing in pure science.
Message edited by author 2015-02-10 16:02:07. |
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02/10/2015 04:03:56 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by Mike:
dont take this question the wrong way, but what stands to be gained from determining if this is in fact a crater? Why spend funds on this research and not something else? |
That's the process that Cory is in right now. If folks believe that learning more about the feature is important, vs. other priorities, it will get funded. If not, then perhaps it will get delayed, or never funded. My bet is on the first outcome. Understanding the impact history of our planet is a very important matter. This is not a large crater, but a very recent one, so it sheds light on what Earth has experienced in a timeframe that includes humans. In fact, if the feature is a crater, it's very likely that it occurred within the frame of human occupation of North America, probably that local area. |
Could it even possibly be related to the Miami Circle? Who knows, but the fact is that I was trained in both Geology and Archeology, so I'll be interested to see if the dates have any potential to line up. Wouldn't that be something?
Message edited by author 2015-02-10 16:04:45. |
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02/10/2015 04:10:34 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Don't confuse this with applied science - in those cases you need to have some reason or goal - such a reason or goal would actually be seen as a bad thing in pure science. |
Applied science doesn't really exist without the discoveries made by "pure" science.
In this particular case the information derived fro further exploration and analysis might be of use in predicting the size of the tsunami we can expect the next time a meteor hits the water -- like if that one that blasted Russia a while ago had arrived at a slightly different time ... |
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02/10/2015 04:40:45 PM · #41 |
Hey that pretty cool. congrats on he find........So when are you gonna be on the news
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02/10/2015 04:47:18 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Hey that pretty cool. congrats on he find........So when are you gonna be on the news |
Probably never, people don't usually give a crap about science.
Although, it is probably a meteorite crater, so, who knows... People love meteorites. |
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02/10/2015 07:07:07 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Hey that pretty cool. congrats on he find........So when are you gonna be on the news |
Probably never, people don't usually give a crap about science.
Although, it is probably a meteorite crater, so, who knows... People love meteorites. |
True, science isn't as sexy as, say, the latest TMZ-ish celebrity garbage regarding a Kardashian's ass. Of course there are much smaller highly specialized publications, but lots of people read Discover magazine, NG and hosts of other mags on subjects like meteorites. If not, then why do I seem to see racks full of them at the local Indigo? And there is or was even a reality show devoted to so-called meterorite hunters. |
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02/10/2015 08:00:38 PM · #44 |
Very cool Cory-Bone. Maybe you should give Grog a ring....he's been around a long time. Probably remembers the date of impact and has some good stories to tell.
Seriously, congrats! |
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02/11/2015 09:28:32 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by bohemka:
You want a crater? I can get you a crater, believe me. There are ways, Cory. You don't wanna know about it, believe me. Hell, I can get you a crater by 3 o'clock this afternoon.
What Mike said... It's cool that you found it, but what's the point of paying lots of money to investigate it further? |
Don't need any reason beyond the science. Science, at it's core, is curiosity. I want to know if that is an impact crater.
The crucial point is that this is pure science. We don't do this to do anything other than to push the science forward. Who knows what we might learn.
Don't confuse this with applied science - in those cases you need to have some reason or goal - such a reason or goal would actually be seen as a bad thing in pure science. |
thats grand and all but unless you are self funding, you need someone to foot the bill for a reason, "just because" doesn't sound to appealing to an investor or someone doling out a research grant, you mentioned Oprah, i was just wondering what the sales pitch was. :P
dont get me wrong, i find the subject fascinating, but I'm also not naive to the fact that this stuff can cost a lot of money and I was just curious as to that side of it. |
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02/11/2015 10:47:09 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by bohemka:
You want a crater? I can get you a crater, believe me. There are ways, Cory. You don't wanna know about it, believe me. Hell, I can get you a crater by 3 o'clock this afternoon.
What Mike said... It's cool that you found it, but what's the point of paying lots of money to investigate it further? |
Don't need any reason beyond the science. Science, at it's core, is curiosity. I want to know if that is an impact crater.
The crucial point is that this is pure science. We don't do this to do anything other than to push the science forward. Who knows what we might learn.
Don't confuse this with applied science - in those cases you need to have some reason or goal - such a reason or goal would actually be seen as a bad thing in pure science. |
thats grand and all but unless you are self funding, you need someone to foot the bill for a reason, "just because" doesn't sound to appealing to an investor or someone doling out a research grant, you mentioned Oprah, i was just wondering what the sales pitch was. :P
dont get me wrong, i find the subject fascinating, but I'm also not naive to the fact that this stuff can cost a lot of money and I was just curious as to that side of it. |
Oprah's sales pitch was easy, it's in her front yard. ;-)
There are people who will want to know, just to know. That will fund the research. Or maybe some grad student will get there first. That would be fine too. |
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02/11/2015 11:22:33 AM · #47 |
Just make sure that it is a meteorite and not a meteorwrong
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03/11/2015 01:08:57 PM · #48 |
For those interested, the facebook page is up.
https://www.facebook.com/MiamiMeteorite |
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03/11/2015 02:13:55 PM · #49 |
This is fascinating. When I look at the images, I see what looks like a landslide to the east of the crater. Possibly related?
Also, please tell more about the possible find in my backyard...ok, NM is a BIG backyard. Full of tumbleweeds this time of the year. |
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03/11/2015 02:44:32 PM · #50 |
| I did some looking in Google Earth and was able to spot it. Then I switched the view to Google Maps and lo and behold it is labeled as the "Miami Meteorite Crater". https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=25.74964,-80.12161&spn=0.00832,0.009881&t=h&z=17 If the label doesn't show, you need to change to the old Google Maps view - click on the "?" and "switch to classic view". Does that mean it's already been named? |
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