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01/12/2015 08:47:12 AM · #51 |
| Freedom of expression doesn't mean you are compelled to express yourself. In fact, one can express oneself very astutely by abstaining from a thing. |
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01/12/2015 08:51:23 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by NiallOTuama:
Freedom of expression doesn't mean you are compelled to express yourself. In fact, one can express oneself very astutely by abstaining from a thing. |
Where's the like button, best post on here! |
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01/12/2015 08:51:57 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by NiallOTuama:
Freedom of expression doesn't mean you are compelled to express yourself. In fact, one can express oneself very astutely by abstaining from a thing. |
Yes indeed, very well put. |
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01/12/2015 11:57:13 AM · #54 |
The utopian concept of absolute freedom for everyone, everywhere, is a lovely myth, but an impossible construct as it involves humans, whose cultural, intellectual, and emotional motivation are usually at odds. Currently, some people's idea of freedom is to destroy or remove other people's.
When applied to an organization or community such as this, "freedom" to express must be "managed" for the "greater good", unless we want to witness the destruction of the group. And we had a perfect opportunity to witness the experiment of unbridled, uncensored expression in the forums as recently as a couple if years ago. The result, very predictably, was a massive membership attrition.
The concept of freedom does not, and cannot, exist without context. "Freedom" without context is "chaos".
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01/12/2015 12:34:47 PM · #55 |
| Yes, i can certainly get behind the idea that freedom of expression is a myth and i guess expert editing is perfect for that. I'm certainly warming up to the idea of the challenge now. The idea that freedom of expression and non-censorship is something to be strived for but sadly unobtainable anywhere in this world. That's much better than some gung ho notion of celebration of freedom of speech that we might have in the West (which we so obviously don't, as you say). |
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01/12/2015 12:59:34 PM · #56 |
| Curiously, speaking of "utopian", I'm currently teaching More's "Utopia" to my home-schooled student. It's been a while since I'd read it, and I'm amused at the total LACK of freedom in the original Utopia. |
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01/12/2015 01:07:15 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by gyaban:
On 7 January 2015 occurred the deadliest act of terrorism in France of the last 50 years. Two gunmen killed 12 persons in the offices of a satirical newspaper, for the sole reason the cartoons and jokes were not up to their taste. 5 other persons were also killed in the manhunt and hostages crisis that happened after. If you wish, you can learn more about this tragedy here.
Today, millions of people (including many countries leaders) walked through Paris, as an historical act of protestation against terror, against censorship. As a citizen, as an artist, freedom of expression is surely something you believe in. This week, create an image to support your convictions.
Expert editing. |
"for the sole reason the cartoons and jokes were nor up to their taste"
I think it was much more then that. They are self professed extremist muslims who support ISIS and Al Quaida. They murdered for their Islam prophet Mohammed because they believe their interpretation of Islam prohibits the insulting of their prophet Mohammed and they follow the verses in the Koran that say it's good to kill unbelievers and those who insult the prophet Mohammed.
Message edited by author 2015-01-12 13:13:53. |
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01/12/2015 01:19:26 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by ThingFish:
"for the sole reason the cartoons and jokes were nor up to their taste"
I think it was much more then that. They are self professed extremist muslims who support ISIS and Al Quaida. They murdered for their Islam prophet Mohammed because they believe their interpretation of Islam prohibits the insulting of their prophet Mohammed and they follow the verses in the Koran that say it's good to kill unbelievers and those who insult the prophet Mohammed. |
But isn't that just an extreme instance of "not being up to their taste"? Remember, Christophe's not a native English speaker. |
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01/12/2015 01:24:08 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by ThingFish:
Originally posted by gyaban:
On 7 January 2015 occurred the deadliest act of terrorism in France of the last 50 years. Two gunmen killed 12 persons in the offices of a satirical newspaper, for the sole reason the cartoons and jokes were not up to their taste. 5 other persons were also killed in the manhunt and hostages crisis that happened after. If you wish, you can learn more about this tragedy here.
Today, millions of people (including many countries leaders) walked through Paris, as an historical act of protestation against terror, against censorship. As a citizen, as an artist, freedom of expression is surely something you believe in. This week, create an image to support your convictions.
Expert editing. |
"for the sole reason the cartoons and jokes were nor up to their taste"
I think it was much more then that. They are self professed extremist muslims who support ISIS and Al Quaida. They murdered for their Islam prophet Mohammed because they believe their interpretation of Islam prohibits the insulting of their prophet Mohammed and they follow the verses in the Koran that say it's good to kill unbelievers and those who insult the prophet Mohammed. |
I think it was much more than that. |
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01/12/2015 01:31:03 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by rooum:
Originally posted by ThingFish:
Originally posted by gyaban:
On 7 January 2015 occurred the deadliest act of terrorism in France of the last 50 years. Two gunmen killed 12 persons in the offices of a satirical newspaper, for the sole reason the cartoons and jokes were not up to their taste. 5 other persons were also killed in the manhunt and hostages crisis that happened after. If you wish, you can learn more about this tragedy here.
Today, millions of people (including many countries leaders) walked through Paris, as an historical act of protestation against terror, against censorship. As a citizen, as an artist, freedom of expression is surely something you believe in. This week, create an image to support your convictions.
Expert editing. |
"for the sole reason the cartoons and jokes were nor up to their taste"
I think it was much more then that. They are self professed extremist muslims who support ISIS and Al Quaida. They murdered for their Islam prophet Mohammed because they believe their interpretation of Islam prohibits the insulting of their prophet Mohammed and they follow the verses in the Koran that say it's good to kill unbelievers and those who insult the prophet Mohammed. |
I think it was much more than that. |
Indeed ....much much more |
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01/12/2015 01:33:44 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by ThingFish:
Originally posted by rooum:
Originally posted by ThingFish:
Originally posted by gyaban:
On 7 January 2015 occurred the deadliest act of terrorism in France of the last 50 years. Two gunmen killed 12 persons in the offices of a satirical newspaper, for the sole reason the cartoons and jokes were not up to their taste. 5 other persons were also killed in the manhunt and hostages crisis that happened after. If you wish, you can learn more about this tragedy here.
Today, millions of people (including many countries leaders) walked through Paris, as an historical act of protestation against terror, against censorship. As a citizen, as an artist, freedom of expression is surely something you believe in. This week, create an image to support your convictions.
Expert editing. |
"for the sole reason the cartoons and jokes were nor up to their taste"
I think it was much more then that. They are self professed extremist muslims who support ISIS and Al Quaida. They murdered for their Islam prophet Mohammed because they believe their interpretation of Islam prohibits the insulting of their prophet Mohammed and they follow the verses in the Koran that say it's good to kill unbelievers and those who insult the prophet Mohammed. |
I think it was much more than that. |
Indeed ....much much more |
I'd say that the whole stuff is MUCH MORE complicated than what we are talking about. |
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01/12/2015 01:39:12 PM · #62 |
| I don't find this challenge any more problematic than the "Art of 2013" challenge. Some people will post tableaux and caricatures of freedom of expression and if they keep things in focus in front of the lens and blurry everywhere else, they will score well. |
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01/12/2015 01:40:28 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by ThingFish:
Originally posted by rooum:
Originally posted by ThingFish:
Originally posted by gyaban:
On 7 January 2015 occurred the deadliest act of terrorism in France of the last 50 years. Two gunmen killed 12 persons in the offices of a satirical newspaper, for the sole reason the cartoons and jokes were not up to their taste. 5 other persons were also killed in the manhunt and hostages crisis that happened after. If you wish, you can learn more about this tragedy here.
Today, millions of people (including many countries leaders) walked through Paris, as an historical act of protestation against terror, against censorship. As a citizen, as an artist, freedom of expression is surely something you believe in. This week, create an image to support your convictions.
Expert editing. |
"for the sole reason the cartoons and jokes were nor up to their taste"
I think it was much more then that. They are self professed extremist muslims who support ISIS and Al Quaida. They murdered for their Islam prophet Mohammed because they believe their interpretation of Islam prohibits the insulting of their prophet Mohammed and they follow the verses in the Koran that say it's good to kill unbelievers and those who insult the prophet Mohammed. |
I think it was much more than that. |
Indeed ....much much more |
I'd say that the whole stuff is MUCH MORE complicated than what we are talking about. |
I was thinking it's probably best to keep politics out of this thread. The poor thing has been through enough already. |
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01/12/2015 02:02:53 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I don't find this challenge any more problematic than the "Art of 2013" challenge. Some people will post tableaux and caricatures of freedom of expression and if they keep things in focus in front of the lens and blurry everywhere else, they will score well. |
the difference being that this challenge intends the artist to pick a issue and neutralize it in some way so serious discussion might occur.
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01/12/2015 02:08:47 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by posthumous:
I don't find this challenge any more problematic than the "Art of 2013" challenge. Some people will post tableaux and caricatures of freedom of expression and if they keep things in focus in front of the lens and blurry everywhere else, they will score well. |
the difference being that this challenge intends the artist to pick a issue and neutralize it in some way so serious discussion might occur. |
I support your freedom to say whatever you want, even if I have no idea what you're saying. |
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01/12/2015 02:47:52 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
I support your freedom to say whatever you want, even if I have no idea what you're saying. |
Pretty much the essence of freedom of expression. Now, to capture that in an image... |
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01/12/2015 03:14:52 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
The utopian concept of absolute freedom for everyone, everywhere, is a lovely myth, but an impossible construct as it involves humans, whose cultural, intellectual, and emotional motivation are usually at odds. Currently, some people's idea of freedom is to destroy or remove other people's.
When applied to an organization or community such as this, "freedom" to express must be "managed" for the "greater good", unless we want to witness the destruction of the group. And we had a perfect opportunity to witness the experiment of unbridled, uncensored expression in the forums as recently as a couple if years ago. The result, very predictably, was a massive membership attrition.
The concept of freedom does not, and cannot, exist without context. "Freedom" without context is "chaos". |
I totally agree! Generally speaking, too much of anything leads to negative results. |
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01/12/2015 03:21:09 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by Aliaa:
Originally posted by tanguera:
The utopian concept of absolute freedom for everyone, everywhere, is a lovely myth, but an impossible construct as it involves humans, whose cultural, intellectual, and emotional motivation are usually at odds. Currently, some people's idea of freedom is to destroy or remove other people's.
When applied to an organization or community such as this, "freedom" to express must be "managed" for the "greater good", unless we want to witness the destruction of the group. And we had a perfect opportunity to witness the experiment of unbridled, uncensored expression in the forums as recently as a couple if years ago. The result, very predictably, was a massive membership attrition.
The concept of freedom does not, and cannot, exist without context. "Freedom" without context is "chaos". |
I totally agree! Generally speaking, too much of anything leads to negative results. |
That kind of chaos is bad exactly how? Because people don't agree on a viewpoint? Or it might cause controversy? Really? |
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01/12/2015 03:24:45 PM · #69 |
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01/12/2015 03:29:38 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
That kind of chaos is bad exactly how? Because people don't agree on a viewpoint? Or it might cause controversy? Really? |
If you were running a restaurant, should people have the freedom to walk in and spit into everyone's bowl of soup? I think you'd lose customers rather quickly with that type of policy. |
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01/12/2015 03:34:40 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Spork99:
That kind of chaos is bad exactly how? Because people don't agree on a viewpoint? Or it might cause controversy? Really? |
If you were running a restaurant, should people have the freedom to walk in and spit into everyone's bowl of soup? I think you'd lose customers rather quickly with that type of policy. |
Oh, i don't know. If you marketed it as a restaurant/art happening you could be raking it in. There is a restaurant in London that only sells $500 steak and crab, that you have to eat with a hammer, and nothing else at all that is very popular with macho millionaire oligarchs apparently. Spit and Soup could be the next big thing.
Message edited by author 2015-01-12 15:35:34. |
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01/12/2015 04:20:22 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Aliaa:
Originally posted by tanguera:
The utopian concept of absolute freedom for everyone, everywhere, is a lovely myth, but an impossible construct as it involves humans, whose cultural, intellectual, and emotional motivation are usually at odds. Currently, some people's idea of freedom is to destroy or remove other people's.
When applied to an organization or community such as this, "freedom" to express must be "managed" for the "greater good", unless we want to witness the destruction of the group. And we had a perfect opportunity to witness the experiment of unbridled, uncensored expression in the forums as recently as a couple if years ago. The result, very predictably, was a massive membership attrition.
The concept of freedom does not, and cannot, exist without context. "Freedom" without context is "chaos". |
I totally agree! Generally speaking, too much of anything leads to negative results. |
That kind of chaos is bad exactly how? Because people don't agree on a viewpoint? Or it might cause controversy? Really? |
If you're asking specifically about this site, then when everything is a rant it's all about the rant, and not enough about photography. Most folks are here mostly for one of two main reasons: photography and the community. A vigorous exchange of ideas is not the same as ranting. Ranting ON DPC serves neither interest. |
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01/12/2015 04:25:14 PM · #73 |
| Do the people with guns have the same freedom as the people without guns? |
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01/12/2015 05:55:35 PM · #74 |
What it boils down to is this: With certain rights comes certain responsibilities.
Personally, I think some people make lousy, cruel, useless, destructive uses of freedom of speech and have no consequences.
Others make completely reasonable, intelligent, useful uses of such freedom with dire consequences.
Unfortunately, until we have perfect people, any rights we give/receive will be somehow misunderstood and misused by some portion of society. |
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01/12/2015 06:01:11 PM · #75 |
That's very different than freedom of expression.
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Spork99:
That kind of chaos is bad exactly how? Because people don't agree on a viewpoint? Or it might cause controversy? Really? |
If you were running a restaurant, should people have the freedom to walk in and spit into everyone's bowl of soup? I think you'd lose customers rather quickly with that type of policy. |
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