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05/19/2004 01:23:00 PM · #1 |
"Unoriginal - Don't take a picture of the first thing that pops in your head. Good photograph but too many --removed--- pictures." Comment I got with a low score today.
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! This is driving me nuts! I know it is annoying to have to vote on many similar images in a single challenge, but ripping a series of shot for being "unoriginal" is idiotic. " I didn't give any thing with **** in it higher than a 3 cause there were too many of them." What is the thought process here? All of the images went up at the same time with no idea what others would post, so who's work is derivative of who's? How am I expected to divine what others are going to post?
I was trained as an architect. When given a budget and a series of needs, different firms come up with damn near the same program, with similar solutions to site problems and client wishes. The ones that come up with radically dissimilar solutions are sometimes genius, but mostly they just missed the %^&*ing boat! Originality is in the presentation and details, the core of a successful solution will have more in common with the other designs that it will have differences.
From what I gather the best solution to avoiding the ones and twos that "original" voters give out is to reject the best, clearest and most concise solution to a problem, and go for something that either is tangential to, or ties into the challenge through title only. We are supposed to be judging the photographs presented to us as single images, not as a collective unit, don't hold one photographer responsible for the work of another.
There I feel better, at least a bit better.
Message edited by author 2004-05-19 13:27:32.
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05/19/2004 01:28:36 PM · #2 |
We mustn't forget that meeting the challenge is not the only question here...composition, focus,lighting, colour balance...and so on.
I will just take each one as original and vote on the quality of the image.
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05/19/2004 01:28:58 PM · #3 |
| I'm glad that you feel better now. Why don't you post this comment to this thread. We can all bitch and moan together. |
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05/19/2004 01:31:48 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by peecee:
We mustn't forget that meeting the challenge is not the only question here...composition, focus,lighting, colour balance...and so on.
I will just take each one as original and vote on the quality of the image. |
There are many here that think communicating the challenge is the prime objective. |
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05/19/2004 01:35:32 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originality is in the presentation and details |
true. true. |
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05/19/2004 01:52:55 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by hopper:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originality is in the presentation and details |
true. true. |
If we accept the definition that originality is the ability to function with-in the rule set, could we define creativity as the ability to break the rules with style? |
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05/19/2004 02:04:20 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
ripping a series of shot for being "unoriginal" is idiotic. |
i don't think it is... everybody has their different judging/scoring criteria, and some people appreciate originality... i certainly do!
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05/19/2004 02:14:56 PM · #8 |
Well, my shot this time is in the unoriginal camp, but it (IMHO) is executed well...just like several others depicting the same thing. It's not our fault that great minds think alike! :o)
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05/19/2004 02:37:45 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by basia03:
i don't think it is... everybody has their different judging/scoring criteria, and some people appreciate originality... i certainly do! |
My gripe has to do with the claim of originality expost facto. When you submit a shot you have no idea how often a similar shot will be taken. Each photograph is a reaction to the wording of the challenge, not a copy or varient of the works that others are thinking of at the same time. Who has copied which original? If a shot was a varient of a Weston or a Cunningham, fine it is unoriginal, but these are indidendent contemporaries.
You can say that you prefer a unique solution, I think we all would like to see a series of unique and varied shots come judging time. However each shot in a grouping of similar shots was unique before they were all posted as a group. Uniquness has to do with the luck of the draw, who else came up with the idea independently? If a good aplicable idea is shared by two people is it only half as good an idea?
Message edited by author 2004-05-19 14:38:04.
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05/19/2004 02:51:41 PM · #10 |
Even a photo of a cat can be original if it is presented differently than what has been seen before (point of view, depth of field, lighting, contrast, etc) ... it's all in the presentation. I think maybe when people say, "there's too many cat photos" what they really mean to say is, "there's too many BORING cat photos".
No offense to the cat people, just adding a possible point of view (don't know if anyone has it or not, i really just like to see myself speak) |
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05/19/2004 07:43:45 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
When you submit a shot you have no idea how often a similar shot will be taken. |
actually, i do have a pretty good idea what kind of submissions will be more or less popular for most of the challenges and try to avoid getting lost in the crowd... i really wasn't very surprised to see numerous "fire and ice" entries for the "opposites" at all...
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
You can say that you prefer a unique solution, I think we all would like to see a series of unique and varied shots come judging time. |
yes i would indeed prefer a unique entry... i won't comment on a "not very original" submission in a negative way, but a unique one will definitely get a praise from me! |
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05/19/2004 08:12:48 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by basia03:
[actually, i do have a pretty good idea what kind of submissions will be more or less popular for most of the challenges and try to avoid getting lost in the crowd... |
I think this is a skill best spoken of in hindsight, but prehaps it is only because I lack it. Pray tell, what will the hackneyed, un-original shot be in "Multiple Light Scources" ?
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05/19/2004 08:28:17 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
what will the hackneyed, un-original shot be in "Multiple Light Scources" ? |
candles? |
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05/20/2004 02:13:34 AM · #14 |
Since everyone else is ranting about it can I throw in mine too....
How in this world can you not see opposites in this.....
Am I wierd for thinking this way...
Not the best photo but to me I thought better then the past 3 challenges I have done...
This goes for all photos not just mine...(I just dont see why people vote 1's either and wonder how many of those 1's are from people that dont think it meats the challenge)
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05/20/2004 12:05:14 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by hopper:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
what will the hackneyed, un-original shot be in "Multiple Light Scources" ? |
candles? |
candles and flashlights of course...
oh yeah, and faces lit by the spotlights!
Message edited by author 2004-05-20 12:07:26. |
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05/21/2004 03:30:33 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by basia03:
Originally posted by hopper:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
what will the hackneyed, un-original shot be in "Multiple Light Scources" ? |
candles? |
candles and flashlights of course...
oh yeah, and faces lit by the spotlights! |
back later guys........as she scuttles off to take some pics w/out the candles
just kidding......think I like the pic I've entered.......for now - but there's still a few days to try out different ideas before the challenge begins :D
sue |
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