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09/06/2014 02:17:31 PM · #151 |
| Sociopathy and psychopathy, by some accounts, are the same thing. Certainly "sociopathy" is at least a form of "Psychopathy", and it's often the preferred term because it's less easily confused with "psychosis". It would be fine to say that the current business world is self-selection towards sociopathic tendencies in its alphas. I'd be surprised if anyone seriously argued against this point, actually. |
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09/06/2014 03:50:08 PM · #152 |
...Sadly all I am hearing is ME, ME, ME... and that is exactly what is wrong with society.
There indeed are takers and users on both sides of the equation, but sadly, the taking is really one sided. Just look at the mega corporations that move abroad to save taxes and would begrudge poor working stiffs a living wage... sickening.
Oh, and anytime someone wants to compare the amount of taxes they pay on personal income... do give me a call I will gladly shine the lights in your eyes and watch them gloss over.
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09/06/2014 08:32:07 PM · #153 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
No offence Lydia... but you really need to re-read your comments... they sound unbelievably condescending.
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Monica: Apparently you feel entitled to some special pity party because you don't want to help poor people? No. It doesn't work that way. That's called living in a society.
Ray: No offence Lydia... but you really need to re-read your comments... they sound unbelievably condescending.
If I was condescending, and I certainly did not intend to be, I wasn't the one who was the first one.
And I certainly wasn't the last one. :D
I'm not posting or reading this thread any more. It's obvious that neither Monica or I (or you) are portraying ourselves as we really are. She is certainly not knowing the real "me"... and I'm positive that she can't actually be the person she appears to me to be in this thread.
There is no good that can come from my entering this discussion any longer.
She nor you will convince me. And, I will not convince you or her.
It's all been said on both sides before... more eloquently than any of us are here anyway... and we're still divided on our opinions.
Life is good folks, even when it's not.
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09/06/2014 10:10:34 PM · #154 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
...Sadly all I am hearing is ME, ME, ME... and that is exactly what is wrong with society. |
The givers have to set limits, because the takers rarely do.
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09/07/2014 12:03:12 AM · #155 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
...Sadly all I am hearing is ME, ME, ME... and that is exactly what is wrong with society. |
The givers have to set limits, because the takers rarely do. |
Ray,
Agreed. However in terms of this discussion thread, I thought sharing personal experiences with the ACA was the point.
Cory,
The takers are the one setting the limits and turning the agenda. It's no accident that so many people think all of our problems are caused by the poor and not the rich. Look at who controls the media. (Hint: It's not poor people.)
Message edited by author 2014-09-07 00:03:57. |
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09/07/2014 12:14:36 AM · #156 |
Originally posted by Lydia:
If I was condescending, and I certainly did not intend to be, I wasn't the one who was the first one.
And I certainly wasn't the last one. :D
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I'm rereading your first response to me and this is just wholly inaccurate. I expressed a positive experience with the ACA and you responded as if I was personally responsible for your rate hikes and forced maternity coverage and as if my myself and my family don't contribute taxes like everyone else. So yea, I got POed and responded in kind. And here we are.
This whole thread has been a lesson in misplaced anger that no one seems to be learning. The poor are not the ones running the show. The poor are not the ones collapsing the economy. And no, the poor are not the ones that hiked up your premiums. But boy are they (we?) a convenient scapegoat.
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09/07/2014 12:18:40 AM · #157 |
Ahh, so it's the rich and the media.. I guess I've got it all wrong..
I guess if we all just stopped working tomorrow the whole world would be fixed. SMH...
Back in reality land we realize that life is hard, unjust, and all people basically suck, it's not the rich nor the poor, it's that we live in an overpopulated world and our nature doesn't work well here. You want peace and happiness universally? Kill 99.9% of the humans off, then you've got a chance at it... till then we are screwed.
BTW Monica, I really hope you get a good paying job that demands you trade your health and happiness for a paycheck and success, then you can tell me how happy you are to share what you've earned and fought for.
Message edited by author 2014-09-07 00:24:15. |
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09/07/2014 12:29:23 AM · #158 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Ahh, so it's the rich and the media.. I guess I've got it all wrong..
I guess if we all just stopped working tomorrow the whole world would be fixed. SMH...
Back in reality land we realize that life is hard, unjust, and all people basically suck, it's not the rich nor the poor, it's that we live in an overpopulated world and our nature doesn't work well here. You want peace and happiness universally? Kill 99.9% of the humans off, then you've got a chance at it... till then we are screwed.
BTW Monica, I really hope you get a good paying job that demands you trade your health and happiness for a paycheck and success, then you can tell me how happy you are to share what you've earned and fought for. |
I didn't say stop working and that would fix everything. I like how you just make stuff up and act like I said it. Straw men galore.
In the real "reality land" we realize that things aren't all just randomly hard. Some of it was designed to be this way.
You wish me a well paying job. How sweet. I'll take it.
The funny thing is, that you aren't getting what my main point is, and maybe that's because I never clearly stated it, thinking it was obvious. The system is as a whole is broken. The ACA was an attempt to fix it but it got watered down and blocked on so many fronts that it's a mere shell of what it was originally supposed to be. Other countries have health care that truly is universal and it's much cheaper for all. My Aussie friends were just having a fit that they'd have to pay $6 to go to the ER under new laws. In Korea I paid about $45/month (matched by my employer) and doctors visits were $6. Specialists $25. But things that weren't covered were still much cheaper. I had all kinds of stomach tests done that were not covered for about $300, the price of that doctor in Miami taking my blood and telling me I was too stressed... (Hey doc, aren't we all.)
So. Perspective. Obama didn't do that.
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09/07/2014 12:33:56 AM · #159 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Health care in the US used to suck.
The federal government passed Obamacare, a hodge-podge of ideas invented by conservatives in the 90s.
The law didn't change enough to begin with, and is being subverted by conservatives in congress and insurance companies.
Health care in the US still sucks. |
Nailed it. |
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09/07/2014 12:35:18 AM · #160 |
Originally posted by escapetooz:
And no, the poor are not the ones that hiked up your premiums. But boy are they (we?) a convenient scapegoat. |
Your grasp of economics is pretty poor. How exactly do you think your coverage is paid for?
Aside from all of that, sorry, but your happiness and 'good experiences' with the ACA just pisses me off even more. I appreciate that you like being able to go spend the day at the doctors office, but because I have a job I can't do that, I can only go if my life really depends on it, as my clients don't honestly care why I wasn't there taking care of their needs, all they care about is that the project stays on schedule, and they do not write in time for me to get health care.. So, enjoy, I just wish you understood that my life has only continued to become worse and I get less care and pay more so your care can be paid for.
I get that this is my choice, but I guess I just have too much pride, and I suppose I think the world would be a better place if everyone else did too. |
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09/07/2014 01:03:28 AM · #161 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by escapetooz:
And no, the poor are not the ones that hiked up your premiums. But boy are they (we?) a convenient scapegoat. |
Your grasp of economics is pretty poor. How exactly do you think your coverage is paid for?
Aside from all of that, sorry, but your happiness and 'good experiences' with the ACA just pisses me off even more. I appreciate that you like being able to go spend the day at the doctors office, but because I have a job I can't do that, I can only go if my life really depends on it, as my clients don't honestly care why I wasn't there taking care of their needs, all they care about is that the project stays on schedule, and they do not write in time for me to get health care.. So, enjoy, I just wish you understood that my life has only continued to become worse and I get less care and pay more so your care can be paid for.
I get that this is my choice, but I guess I just have too much pride, and I suppose I think the world would be a better place if everyone else did too. |
My grasp of economics is just fine. I'm taking a more global wholistic view. Which is why I gave other countries with working healthcare as an example and repeatedly explained that the system is still broken.
And again, never said I spent all day in the doctor's office. So for the love of all things DPC stop putting words in my mouth. And stop blaming me personally for your personal struggles. I have NOTHING to do with your financial life. I'm not happy dancing that your premiums went up. That really sucks. I'm sorry. Regardless, that's not my fault. And I'm not going to forfeit my coverage because of pride or guilt or whatever you want to try and throw at me. If I did, you'd still have your high premiums, and I'd have no coverage again. What I would LOVE to do is move in the opposite direction and have truly universal health care. But I don't control the USA.
I repeatedly bring up articles and valid points on the economy and our culture as a whole and you repeatedly bring things back to personal accusations of flagrant laziness and taking away hard working people's money. And apparently too much free time to boot. Gosh I'm terrible.
Message edited by author 2014-09-07 01:05:24. |
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09/07/2014 01:13:07 AM · #162 |
When I go to the doctor, they can't see me in an hour and get me out, no, it takes four appointments and each lasts at least 2 hours (1.75 hours of which is spent waiting for them to get around to me, which makes me feel even more fucked-off), so like many of the words you think I'm putting in your mouth, in fact what I'm doing is pointing out that there are aspects of this that you do not seem to appreciate or understand.
If you don't understand that I'm just an angry slave lashing out at you for taking my pennies, then you don't get it.. it's not that I think everything else is ok, it's that I think this is just another brick in the wall, and I cannot help but to greatly resent any further demands made upon me.
We can do this all day, but I've been in your shoes, and until you've been in mine I doubt your capacity to understand.
Message edited by author 2014-09-07 01:18:37. |
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09/07/2014 01:24:22 AM · #163 |
Originally posted by Cory:
When I go to the doctor, they can't see me in an hour and get me out, no, it takes four appointments and each lasts at least 2 hours (1.75 hours of which is spent waiting for them to get around to me, which makes me feel even more fucked-off), so like many of the words you think I'm putting in your mouth, in fact what I'm doing is pointing out that there are aspects of this that you do not seem to appreciate or understand. If you don't understand that I'm just an angry slave lashing out at you for taking my pennies, then you don't get it.. it's not that I think everything else is ok, it's that I think this is just another brick in the wall..
We can do this all day, but I've been in your shoes, and until you've been in mine I doubt your capacity to understand. |
You're doing it again.
I have plenty "capacity" to understand your predicament. I completely empathize. What I can't understand is why you are so pissed off at ME. For the umpteenth time, MISPLACED ANGER. You can't yell at the people causing the problem, so you'll just take it out on me.
Me having time to go to the doctor (unemployment will do that) and you not having time has NOTHING to do with this debate. AT ALL. What is it you are aiming at? What next, your car breaks down and you're mad at me for having a working car? I mean really, come on. |
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09/07/2014 01:32:49 AM · #164 |
No, Monica, frankly, I think you SHOULD take what you can get, you'd be a fool to not do so. My anger is at the injustice, and that you seem to think things have improved.
It really isn't personal, no more than when one soldier kills another, it's just that we happen to be on opposite sides in this war.
The one thing you keep saying that makes me think you don't get it is that you continue to put forth the idea that there are people who I should be mad at who've caused this.. Who, exactly, are these people? Do you really think they exist? Because I think this is all done via programs that calculate the costs and then distribute those costs out to users, all without any significant human involvement. I find the idea of getting angry with an algorithm to be simultaneously hilarious and ludicrous.
Message edited by author 2014-09-07 01:45:06. |
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09/07/2014 02:13:07 AM · #165 |
You still really... really... are not getting it.
Yes. I'm mad at algorithms. Silly me. I'm ludicrous.
Also that fact that you compared us to soldiers killing each other is equally chilling and confusing. (Plus I'd rot in jail before I'd ever go to war.) Confusing because you still don't seem to get I'm not trying to take what you have. It's not an either/or scenario. You're buying in to some misguided false dichotomy.
We're on the same team, if you'd only open your eyes and see the rest of the cookies maybe you'd realize that.
Message edited by author 2014-09-07 02:24:08. |
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09/07/2014 07:41:01 AM · #166 |
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09/07/2014 09:09:57 AM · #167 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Ahh, so it's the rich and the media.. I guess I've got it all wrong.. |
Funny your would bring that up my friend.
As a teenager I remember asking my dad what the "Great Depression" was like and his response to me was quite telling.
"That my son" he said, "was something that impacted the rich and the city folks a lot more than folks like us... whatever we needed could still be found in the woods, lakes and our gardens".
Stated succinctly, I do believe that to this day that the rich need the poor a lot more than the other way around.
Mind you, some day, maybe even soon, most everything will be done by robots and the rich will be right happy then.
Message edited by author 2014-09-07 09:36:07. |
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