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06/18/2014 05:58:22 PM · #26 |
I get such a kick out of reading how Obama is the root cause of this problem. Don't you folks have a process where laws are proposed, reviewed, voted on and then enacted. Was this law not reviewed by the Supreme Court and found to be constitutional.
Surely the process in the USA cannot be so different from that which exists in the rest of the world and that one person actually holds so much power that he alone should be held accountable for faux pas, assuming this is indeed what has happened here.
Please enlighten me,
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06/18/2014 06:00:29 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by frisca:
Cory -- the republicans are always looking for stories like yours. Have you shared it with them? |
The thing is I hear more stories like his than good stories. It doesn't take any imagination to open your eyes and look around at what is happening around you. |
It doesn't take any imagination to know that "good" news is not "news" as distributed by the US media ... there are millions of people (including myself) who now have some kind of coverage (with the subsidy mine is about $20/month), so that I am not forced onto welfare or into bankruptcy if I get significantly ill or injured. In the past, those people would be forced to use the expensive ER and the cost passed on to those with insurance or the taxpayers in the formm of higher rates or taxes.
Brennan noted that health insurance administrative costs can run as much as 30% -- MediCare (a government single-payer system) has administrative costs closer to 10%, and could save the taxpayers billions more if it was allowed to negotiate drug prices like the private companies can, and isn't required to return a profit to the (non-service proveder) stockholders on top of everything else. |
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06/18/2014 06:03:59 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
I get such a kick out of reading how Obama is the root cause of this problem. Don't you folks have a process where laws are proposed, reviewed, voted on and then enacted. Was this law not reviewed by the Supreme Court and found to be constitutional. |
Don't forget that the whole program (including the "mandate") was first proposed by the right-wing think-tank Heritage Foundation, and first put into practice by the Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney when Governor of Massachusetts, where (to the dismay of his subsequent campaign) it was a clear success.
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06/18/2014 07:14:43 PM · #29 |
For me, as a person that literally hasn't been insured since the age of 11 (with the exception of when I lived in South Korea) I couldn't be more pleased. I was so excited to go to the doctor, get a bunch of tests done, and pay only $25. I could hardly believe it.
When I was uninsured it was a nightmare. I let myself get really really sick on occasion and just wouldn't go because I knew it would cost hundreds of dollars. One time my family forced me to go and paid for it for me. The doctor took my blood and talked to me a bit then concluded it was stress- $300 to get a needle in my arm and told what I already knew. I was so pissed.
I'm not seeing the connection between doctor wait times and the ACA? In my experience it's always been like that depending on where you live and how many doctors are available, especially with specialists. Maybe now more people ABLE to go to the doctor and thus things filling up more, hard to say.
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06/18/2014 11:13:27 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
I get such a kick out of reading how Obama is the root cause of this problem. Don't you folks have a process where laws are proposed, reviewed, voted on and then enacted. Was this law not reviewed by the Supreme Court and found to be constitutional.
Surely the process in the USA cannot be so different from that which exists in the rest of the world and that one person actually holds so much power that he alone should be held accountable for faux pas, assuming this is indeed what has happened here.
Please enlighten me,
Ray |
Ray, yes we do have a system where it is proposed, reviewed and voted on. The issue with the ACA is the Democrats / supporters of the ACA said that the Bill needed to be passed before we could find out what was in it. Well that should have been a red flag for anyone with half a pulse. The Republicans wanted to know more about it, but were not allowed to. The Democrats pushed the bill into law with out one single republican vote.
It does not matter who dreamed it up, wrote it, proposed it or what ever, It was Obama who LIED about it to sell it. Some of the biggest supporters of the ACA have already backed away from it.
Obama has broken the law several times by delaying certain mandates. Once a Law is a Law, it can not be changed with out the approval of Congress, yet he did this 23 times? maybe more.
The republicans tried about 40 times to repeal the ACA with no luck. People dont try to repeal a law 40 times if there is not something wrong with it. True there are some success stories, but the horror stories far out number the successes.
A friend of mine cant get her cancer medicine because it is too expensive and the ACA does not cover it. But her old plan that she loved, did cover it, but she was forced to the ACA. The ACA may cover pre-existing conditions, but they don't cover the meds, especially the most expensive ones. |
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06/19/2014 09:56:46 AM · #31 |
I hope you get some answers soon Cory. Feel better!
I do have to say that I agree the wait times thing has more to do with where you are. If I called my doctor today and told them symptoms that were troubling I would be in there today. Same with my sons doctor. I pay for my insurance through both medicare and a private advantage plan. My son has "free" coverage. Could there be any correlation between red states having issues that don't effect blue states due to the fact that the red states would prefer it didn't work out? |
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07/14/2014 01:45:15 AM · #32 |
What I have found out to be the biggest issue with waiting times to see Doctors existed prior to ACA. The more in demand a Doctor was the waiting list got longer. Established patients usually could get bumped up if it was a critical situation. Even after ACA I can walk into my GP and without a appointment be seen within 3 hours and that's on a bad day. If I try to make an appointment with my diabetic specialist, who is ranked as one of the top in the nation it takes 3 months. Oh and I live in a red state which has nothing to do with it IMO. Kelly, I noticed two things that do not make sense. And I state this not knowing nor is it anything that concerns me. You stated you are on Medicare, but your profile states you are under 65. I do know sometimes special circumstances allow for this but it is rare. Second your son's health care coverage is only free to you and him. It does cost others. I'm not judging anyone for taking it I'm just pointing out be thankful he has coverage and that someone else is actually paying for it. Since the Government does not have any money that they actually earned. Tax payers should be thanked for the burden and as a society too easily we forget Government only spends our hard earned taxes they don't go out and make it. True medical reform is when we get the waste out of the medical practice.
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07/14/2014 02:15:26 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by escapetooz:
For me, as a person that literally hasn't been insured since the age of 11 (with the exception of when I lived in South Korea) I couldn't be more pleased. I was so excited to go to the doctor, get a bunch of tests done, and pay only $25. I could hardly believe it.
When I was uninsured it was a nightmare. I let myself get really really sick on occasion and just wouldn't go because I knew it would cost hundreds of dollars. One time my family forced me to go and paid for it for me. The doctor took my blood and talked to me a bit then concluded it was stress- $300 to get a needle in my arm and told what I already knew. I was so pissed.
I'm not seeing the connection between doctor wait times and the ACA? In my experience it's always been like that depending on where you live and how many doctors are available, especially with specialists. Maybe now more people ABLE to go to the doctor and thus things filling up more, hard to say. |
So... now... you can go to the doctor and... get a needle in your arm for "free" and... you're happy because... why?
Because it's not people you know.. .your family ... who are paying for your inadequate care?
It's strangers who are working to pay for your inadequate care now, and... suddenly ... you're okay with it all?
I know.. .I do konw... that I'm making a point that doesn't need to be made. But... in fact... SOMEONE is still working to pay for medical care for all ... AND they're paying TWICE the cost that they used to pay for it themselves.
WHY is this okay? Why is it okay that since ObamaCare kicked in (for whatever reason), that the people who WERE paying "x" dollars for their healthcare, are now paying X times 2 for their healthcare, whilst the government takes the money from Social Security to fund...
Nothing.
And... the taxpayers who are STILL earning wages... instead of quitting and... going "on the dole"... are paying twice the cost to insure their family than they used to pay.
What's right about that?
What's right about going to work each day... (my husband travels an hour and a half each way... each day) to pay twice what we used to pay for health care... because of ObamaCare... to pay for all of the extras... the maternity care for me... (I've paid for my own hysterectomy and have NO female parts, yet I'm REQUIRED to have maternity care in my plan...)
What is SENSIBLE about this?
Please tell me.
There is NO POSSIBLE WAY THAT I CAN BECOME PREGNANT. Yet... OBAMACare requires me to have maternity care...
FOR MY OWN GOOD.
Thank you. But.. I feel safe enough without maternity care.
After all... I DID pay for all of my female parts to be removed.
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07/14/2014 02:19:20 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by jab119:
Ray, yes we do have a system where it is proposed, reviewed and voted on. The issue with the ACA is the Democrats / supporters of the ACA said that the Bill needed to be passed before we could find out what was in it. Well that should have been a red flag for anyone with half a pulse. |
Any idea how many pages the farm bill was last year? Do you think your member of Congress read it all the way through? How about the Defense appropriation bill? The ACA was written and voted on in an standard amount of time the first time. The next 53 times the House insisted on voting on it, do you think they had finished reading it? The bill is 974 pages long (the defense bill is 960 pages for comparison purposes) and was first voted on Jan. 19, 2011, the 54th vote was on March 14, 2014. In those 3 years and change did everyone interested in reading it have the chance to read it? And in that time, did one vote change. The vote was purely partisan. Had we had an open debate over the desire to make our health care delivery system better, it would have been healthy. Instead we counted political coup.
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07/14/2014 03:08:20 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by jab119:
Ray, yes we do have a system where it is proposed, reviewed and voted on. The issue with the ACA is the Democrats / supporters of the ACA said that the Bill needed to be passed before we could find out what was in it. Well that should have been a red flag for anyone with half a pulse. |
Any idea how many pages the farm bill was last year? Do you think your member of Congress read it all the way through? How about the Defense appropriation bill? The ACA was written and voted on in an standard amount of time the first time. The next 53 times the House insisted on voting on it, do you think they had finished reading it? The bill is 974 pages long (the defense bill is 960 pages for comparison purposes) and was first voted on Jan. 19, 2011, the 54th vote was on March 14, 2014. In those 3 years and change did everyone interested in reading it have the chance to read it? And in that time, did one vote change. The vote was purely partisan. Had we had an open debate over the desire to make our health care delivery system better, it would have been healthy. Instead we counted political coup. |
Sure do and actually thought both those bills were bad legislation also. The farm bill has one of my favorite pork products I have ever seen in it. At almost a Trillion dollars it subsidized more farms to not grown than to grow crop. This was to allow produce to climb in price. But what I found almost insane was there was a 15 million dollar subsidy going to a flower farm in Manhattan. Owner Warren Buffet for his penthouse flower garden. That has to explain why these bills need to be analyzed in depth. A thousand pages to hide your pork in. This is nothing new it has gone on since before most of us were born. Thanks to the internet we can see it up close and personal. So take a moment before you go and vote. Look at your choices and see how they spend your tax dollars. Then vote!
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07/14/2014 03:27:58 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
This was to allow produce to climb in price. But what I found almost insane was there was a 15 million dollar subsidy going to a flower farm in Manhattan. Owner Warren Buffet for his penthouse flower garden. |
You do realize that the Farm subsidies going to Manhattan based owners are not based on farms at their business address right? Chase gets the check mailed to 270 Park Ave. on farms that they have foreclosed on in Nebraska.
I would love to see a link that pointed to a flower farm in Manhattan that got $5 in farm aid, let alone $15 million. There is plenty of corporate welfare going out, but..... |
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07/14/2014 03:43:03 AM · #37 |
Cory, sorry to hear you are a tad under the weather old boy... I cannot understand WHY the hell they cannot deal with you. As much as we moan about the UK, it is true that we have a brilliant health system.. even me, a man on a public health system (as apposed to a private one) I can get into see the Doc tomorrow morning if need be and I could see a specialist within a day or 2.
Try to keep yourself positive mate, as you know yourself, getting stressed out about stuff really don't help shit much.
Sending you good vibes man. |
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07/14/2014 07:06:13 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
What I have found out to be the biggest issue with waiting times to see Doctors existed prior to ACA. The more in demand a Doctor was the waiting list got longer. Established patients usually could get bumped up if it was a critical situation. Even after ACA I can walk into my GP and without a appointment be seen within 3 hours and that's on a bad day. If I try to make an appointment with my diabetic specialist, who is ranked as one of the top in the nation it takes 3 months. Oh and I live in a red state which has nothing to do with it IMO. Kelly, I noticed two things that do not make sense. And I state this not knowing nor is it anything that concerns me. You stated you are on Medicare, but your profile states you are under 65. I do know sometimes special circumstances allow for this but it is rare. Second your son's health care coverage is only free to you and him. It does cost others. I'm not judging anyone for taking it I'm just pointing out be thankful he has coverage and that someone else is actually paying for it. Since the Government does not have any money that they actually earned. Tax payers should be thanked for the burden and as a society too easily we forget Government only spends our hard earned taxes they don't go out and make it. True medical reform is when we get the waste out of the medical practice. |
Yes, I am one of those "special" cases. And I worked 27 years for it. |
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07/14/2014 01:25:47 PM · #39 |
Ya know....I rally feel sorry for our next president. Our next pres is gonna have to undo 8 years of failed policies.
The next pres, if he does it right, will be very unpopular. What I mean by this is actually going in and balancing the budget. Cuting cost getting rid of programs that are costing us an arm and a leg. (like obamacare) We need someone up there that will lead America to prosperity...not rule like a dictator such as Obama.
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07/14/2014 01:38:47 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Ya know....I rally feel sorry for our next president. Our next pres is gonna have to undo 8 years of failed policies.
The next pres, if he does it right, will be very unpopular. What I mean by this is actually going in and balancing the budget. Cuting cost getting rid of programs that are costing us an arm and a leg. (like obamacare) We need someone up there that will lead America to prosperity...not rule like a dictator such as Obama. |
... and I am absolutely positive that there are many who read the comments that you made in this regard and thought to themselves... that poor Obama schmuck... he sure inherited a bag of shit from the previous occupant of the White House.
It is true what they say you know, "Perception is EVERYTHING"
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07/14/2014 02:42:07 PM · #41 |
Hey Ray
I never said Bush was perfect. However, Obama took a bad situation and made it a ton worse. The thing I cant get over is how Obama is still trying to blame bush. In fact he blames everyone else for his incompetence.
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07/14/2014 02:51:28 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Hey Ray
I never said Bush was perfect. However, Obama took a bad situation and made it a ton worse. The thing I cant get over is how Obama is still trying to blame bush. In fact he blames everyone else for his incompetence. |
From that commie magazine Forbes.
"In the four and a half years since the close of 2008, the American economy has grown at the inflation-adjusted rate of 1.6% per year.
Is this number, 1.6%, any good? Let’s compare it to that obtained by President Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush. From the beginning of 2001 until the close of 2008—the W. term—economic growth averaged 1.7% per year.
So W. wins by a nose. But as everyone knows, Bush came into office in the midst (as it turns out, at the peak) of one of the great historic booms in modern American economic history. From 1982 to 2000, the American economy expanded at a 3.7% rate. This included a big kick at the end of that run, 1995-2000, that measured 4.2% per year.
The base, the denominator, of the W. record, was therefore notably high. When we say that the Bush record of economic growth was 1.7%, greater by a hair than Obama̢۪s current 1.6%, we should also account for the fact that the predicate of the comparison is highly differential. Bush started from a high base and came in low. Obama started from a low base and came in worse."
Quite the radical shift, eh? |
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07/14/2014 03:25:49 PM · #43 |
| The only growth that our economy has see is in the artificially inflated Stock Market. We have a an economy with a foundation build on a bed of sand. Yeah certain sectors have seen a growth, but in general the Federal Government spends far more then they collect in taxes. This means one of two things are going to have to happen. Neither are going to make anyone happy. Either we cut spending. This will lower the deficit slightly, but put some people out of work. Thus has a drawback. Or we increase taxation and we all know that is a hated concept. Taxation is not a bad thing if we could take the politicians hands out of the cookie jar. Stop the wasteful spending, but that takes voters who are willing to dig deep to find where the waste is. Wait yet there is a third concept one that could work. We could increase the GDP by producing products the world wants at a competitive price. Stop sending our manufacturing overseas and this would allow for more taxes to be collected without increasing the actual rate of taxation nor cutting many programs that people seem to want. But alas first we have to get the politicians out of government. Notice I am not siding with any political party or ideology. This stands true for all politicians. You want change? Look for the word incumbent and vote for anyone but them. That is how The People can take the power back. |
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07/14/2014 03:32:16 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Hey Ray
I never said Bush was perfect. However, Obama took a bad situation and made it a ton worse. The thing I cant get over is how Obama is still trying to blame bush. In fact he blames everyone else for his incompetence. |
From that commie magazine Forbes.
"In the four and a half years since the close of 2008, the American economy has grown at the inflation-adjusted rate of 1.6% per year.
Is this number, 1.6%, any good? Let’s compare it to that obtained by President Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush. From the beginning of 2001 until the close of 2008—the W. term—economic growth averaged 1.7% per year.
So W. wins by a nose. But as everyone knows, Bush came into office in the midst (as it turns out, at the peak) of one of the great historic booms in modern American economic history. From 1982 to 2000, the American economy expanded at a 3.7% rate. This included a big kick at the end of that run, 1995-2000, that measured 4.2% per year.
The base, the denominator, of the W. record, was therefore notably high. When we say that the Bush record of economic growth was 1.7%, greater by a hair than Obama̢۪s current 1.6%, we should also account for the fact that the predicate of the comparison is highly differential. Bush started from a high base and came in low. Obama started from a low base and came in worse."
Quite the radical shift, eh? |
You can go back an look at every president for around 50 years and see the economy always is blamed on the predecessor. The funny thing is congress seems never to get the blame and that is where it should be. |
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07/14/2014 03:41:55 PM · #45 |
I don't know about that...Have you seen congresses approval rate. I believe congress is getting the blame now...
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07/14/2014 04:09:16 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Obama took a bad situation and made it a ton worse. |
By what measure? Unemployment is not worse, the economy is not worse, the stock market is not worse, national security is not worse, health coverage is not worse, federal spending is not worse. You should just preface every Obama post with, "I haven't been right about anything yet, but..." |
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07/14/2014 04:40:05 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Obama took a bad situation and made it a ton worse. |
By what measure? Unemployment is not worse, the economy is not worse, the stock market is not worse, national security is not worse, health coverage is not worse, federal spending is not worse. You should just preface every Obama post with, "I haven't been right about anything yet, but..." |
Do what???
Unemployment - The prob with the unemployment numbers is they don't count the people that have given up looking. Those people have gone into different systems like welfare etc. The larges growth in jobs has been in part-time, min wage type jobs not the full time private sector jobs that the economy needs.
stock market - granted the stock market has been doing much better. However even economist are stating that this is far from over.
National security - You're kidding right. Have you taken a look at our southern border lately. That is a huge national security prob. (and possibly a health prob)
Health care - Again you gotta be joking. I hop you are not talking about the extremely expensive highly inefficient bill hey call the ACA.
Federal spending - Really can you explain how the debt under Obama has made Bush's debt look small. The cuts that have been made were because of the mandatory sequester.
I will add links to some of this stuff later if you need it when I get off work.
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07/14/2014 04:47:28 PM · #48 |
| You forgot to start with, "I haven't been right about anything yet, but..." |
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07/14/2014 10:10:29 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
You forgot to start with, "I haven't been right about anything yet, but..." |
+1 for too funny!
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07/14/2014 10:16:10 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I don't know about that...Have you seen congresses approval rate. I believe congress is getting the blame now... |
All I can say is WOW! For some reason some voters keep reelecting these people. Congress Approval Rating |
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