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02/24/2014 07:07:11 PM · #1 |
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02/24/2014 07:17:10 PM · #2 |
| Whoa, Sweet! Can't wait to see some of the pictures you create with this. |
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02/24/2014 07:25:51 PM · #3 |
| That's pretty incredible. I am envious. When you think about all the crazy money that is dropped on good glass of all different focal lengths, this seems like a remarkable tool for half the price of a good zoom (for example) -- and when paired with a nice prime you've suddenly got a high-image-quality/high-resolution monster for landscapes and other uses. Awesome. |
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02/24/2014 08:08:02 PM · #4 |
YES!!!!!
I'm SO excited. I bought this for my architecture photography, which has really started to take off, with some high profile projects. The sales lady was EXTREMELY helpful - we started discussing my issue and she mentioned I might need to step up to medium format, which could be done by buying a used body, and then renting the lens and back for a shoot where it's needed. This is the option she suggested, and of course, I'm now dreaming of owning. Someday....
As a lot of my assignments are of high-rise historic buildings in downtown LA. I keep running into wide glass vs distortion issues. And on full frame, the widest you can get is 12mm (without going fisheye), which on really wide buildings (such as my most recent one), is just a beast. I ended up running some of the wider images through DxO and it did a pretty decent job of eliminating distortion, but zoomed in there is a loss of quality.
This gizmo essentially takes the place of a tilt shift, as I can go vertical 3 shots and horizontal 3 shots, and have a massive 9 shot capture, perfectly stitched together into a high quality, distortion-free image.
Of course, I'll also be exploring its application on landscape and other stuff, although I personally like a certain amount of distortion in my more "artsy" shots :) |
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02/24/2014 08:12:56 PM · #5 |
| Can you imagine viewing the photos you shoot with that device and medium format on a 4k TV? Man! |
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02/24/2014 08:21:41 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by coronamv:
Can you imagine viewing the photos you shoot with that device and medium format on a 4k TV? Man! |
My sweetie is the TV junkie, and it is likely we soon will be able to do so :) |
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02/24/2014 09:39:48 PM · #7 |
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02/24/2014 09:51:03 PM · #8 |
| BTW, the resulting image is about 200 mb.... |
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02/24/2014 10:05:25 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by coronamv:
Can you imagine viewing the photos you shoot with that device and medium format on a 4k TV? Man! |
My sweetie is the TV junkie, and it is likely we soon will be able to do so :) |
Nice! |
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02/24/2014 10:07:47 PM · #10 |
| I would wait to see the pics! |
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02/24/2014 11:42:39 PM · #11 |
It's a very cool toy and it's gonna be WONDERFUL for wide, detailed shots, BUT... HOW can it "take the place" of a tilt/shift lens in architecture?
To stitch multiple frames with a fixed lens you have to rotate the camera around a vertical, horizontal, or both, axis, and when you do it you will introduce convergence in whatever plane you are adjusting. If you stand in front of a wide building exactly centered for the first shot, your horizontals will be parallel and so will your verticals. Pan from left to right and your verticals will remain square but your horizontals will recede in the direction you pan. Likewise, pan up-and-down and your verticals will converge. End result will be a stitched-together image with the kind of perspective you get from a fisheye, but without the curved lines.
Now, I suppose you're planning to square all THAT up with DxO, and I suppose you can, but it will never look quite right.
Now, I have a tilt/shift lens which I can use to pan without moving the camera at all: Full up, full down,full left and full right positions, basically, plus diagonal left/right/up/down to plug the crucifix positions, and that will be REALLY wide when stitched together... It's a 17mm rectilinear lens, and I'm betting at full coverage stitched it might be maybe 8-9mm rectilinear, but I don't honestly know.
I don't mean to be raining on your parade, however: I've never used one of these and you may know something I don't know. I'd love to learn more about how it's going to work :-)
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02/25/2014 01:10:24 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
It's a very cool toy and it's gonna be WONDERFUL for wide, detailed shots, BUT... HOW can it "take the place" of a tilt/shift lens in architecture?
To stitch multiple frames with a fixed lens you have to rotate the camera around a vertical, horizontal, or both, axis, and when you do it you will introduce convergence in whatever plane you are adjusting. If you stand in front of a wide building exactly centered for the first shot, your horizontals will be parallel and so will your verticals. Pan from left to right and your verticals will remain square but your horizontals will recede in the direction you pan. Likewise, pan up-and-down and your verticals will converge. End result will be a stitched-together image with the kind of perspective you get from a fisheye, but without the curved lines.
Now, I suppose you're planning to square all THAT up with DxO, and I suppose you can, but it will never look quite right.
Bear, I asked allthese questions but apparently this thing, and the software, figurethzt all out. They use it to create those giga pans. Regardless, I'll be plaing with it and report back
Now, I have a tilt/shift lens which I can use to pan without moving the camera at all: Full up, full down,full left and full right positions, basically, plus diagonal left/right/up/down to plug the crucifix positions, and that will be REALLY wide when stitched together... It's a 17mm rectilinear lens, and I'm betting at full coverage stitched it might be maybe 8-9mm rectilinear, but I don't honestly know.
I don't mean to be raining on your parade, however: I've never used one of these and you may know something I don't know. I'd love to learn more about how it's going to work :-) |
Don't know yet, Bear, but I'll let you know :)
Message edited by author 2014-02-25 01:12:02. |
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02/25/2014 01:46:11 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
BTW, the resulting image is about 200 mb.... |
Heck how you going too store the images?..do you have some online storeage vault. |
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02/25/2014 01:53:50 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by Gordon_1:
Originally posted by tanguera:
BTW, the resulting image is about 200 mb.... |
Heck how you going too store the images?..do you have some online storeage vault. |
Just bought a 4 tb external hard drive. I won't be using this for regular images, just my architectural assignments.
Incidentally, Bear, it also works by finding the nodal point, which addresses the paralax issue. But again, we'll see what happens upon stitching :)
Message edited by author 2014-02-25 01:55:06. |
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02/25/2014 02:21:14 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by Gordon_1:
Originally posted by tanguera:
BTW, the resulting image is about 200 mb.... |
Heck how you going too store the images?..do you have some online storeage vault. |
Just bought a 4 tb external hard drive. I won't be using this for regular images, just my architectural assignments.
Incidentally, Bear, it also works by finding the nodal point, which addresses the paralax issue. But again, we'll see what happens upon stitching :) |
Will you able too show some takeouts using this gadget sound cool |
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02/25/2014 11:26:18 AM · #16 |
| Yes, I'll share what I can, Gordon |
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02/25/2014 02:19:40 PM · #17 |
| Cool toy. Looks exciting to play with! |
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02/25/2014 02:26:28 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Incidentally, Bear, it also works by finding the nodal point, which addresses the parallax issue. |
I'm not talking about the parallax issue, Johanna: by finding the nodal point your device allows seam-free stitching, yes, absolutely. But as you rotate a camera UP, convergence grows more extreme, surely you've noticed that in your shooting? So what I'm saying is, YES you will be able to stitch together multiple images to show the whole facade but, NPO, this won't get rid of your convergence issues at all.
The only way to do that, in the case of a tall building, would be to have a tripod capable of extending to a great height, and shooting multiple exposures at different heights. And if you did THAT, it would look weird because you'd see different vanishing points in each separate exposure. |
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02/25/2014 02:38:19 PM · #19 |
I'm waiting for drones to get really useful, so you can assign it to move your camera to move to fixed points in space to get true planar images in a multi image shot, but until that happens.....
Can you stitch together panos using a T/S, or does the varied adjustments cause it to go all wobbly?
BTW, while it may not be the magic bullet, this device looks like great help. I would assume you would stitch the image and then edit for skew? Running that big an image through editing would be a test for your processor.
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02/25/2014 02:39:49 PM · #20 |
the bottom line is, Johanna, you need to splurge on a tilt-shift if you are serious about architectural photography :). Or rent it, if you don't do it frequently. BTW, I am guessing that using that lens AND your gizmo for stitching multiple shots horizontally would probably be very useful.
ETA: Brennan beat me to this suggestion :).
ETA-2: On the second thought, you would still have horizontal line convergence issues to deal with
Message edited by author 2014-02-25 14:55:18. |
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02/25/2014 03:08:26 PM · #21 |
| Well, we shall see. I'll be testing it this week and report back. |
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