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 02/06/2014 08:39:52 PM · #26
Originally posted by vawendy:
And I shot RAW!

I froze my butt off taking blurry mess shots for about 40 minutes!!

grrrrr....


and you were warned twice...(lol)
 02/06/2014 08:41:30 PM · #27
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Possibly ΓΆ€” I am not all that familiar with the latest NSA-quality forensic tools myself ... but our whole system is based on honor anyway, since that's the only reward. If people want to win a virtual ribbon by cheating, then they'll just have to live with their conscience, and know that they are less than they appear ...
Yeah, but if I convert a RAW file in-camera without changing any settings, I don't think it's cheating. It would follow not only the letter of the ruleset, but also its spirit, I think. Of course in my case this is an abstract discussion, since I formatted the card already, I think. And I am not sure my camera (Oly OM-D) would even allow me to do this.

Message edited by author 2014-02-06 21:09:16.
 02/06/2014 08:44:27 PM · #28
Originally posted by hahn23:
I shot JPEG and did not violate any minimal editing rules.

Tonight, in response to this thread, I found this video tutorial. //youtu.be/v6IIjtxK7gw

I don't know if the EXIF file is changed. Must be some way to detect this in-camera processing.

Toward the end of that video he says it creates a new file name, so that should give it away right there. My RAW/JPG files have the same file name. But I'm Nikon and that's Canon, so perhaps things are different.
 02/06/2014 08:51:16 PM · #29
I'm watching with bated breath, because I haven't cleared my card. I've reshot, but I like the first ones better. I can save as jpeg without making any changes to it, and it gives it the regular file name.

So what is the consensus? Am I still screwed?
 02/06/2014 08:59:08 PM · #30
Originally posted by vawendy:
I'm watching with bated breath, because I haven't cleared my card. I've reshot, but I like the first ones better. I can save as jpeg without making any changes to it, and it gives it the regular file name.

So what is the consensus? Am I still screwed?


"Bated breath" has been around a long time. Here's the first cite in the Oxford English Dictionary: "1596 Shakespeare, Merchant of Venice i. iii. 125 'With bated breath, and whispring humblenesse.'"

Otherwise, making a call on this is above my pay grade.

Message edited by author 2014-02-06 21:00:09.
 02/06/2014 08:59:47 PM · #31
Originally posted by vawendy:
I'm watching with bated breath, because I haven't cleared my card. I've reshot, but I like the first ones better. I can save as jpeg without making any changes to it, and it gives it the regular file name.

So what is the consensus? Am I still screwed?


We'll get an answer if it works or not...lol (because we will all be voting for yours right...lol)
 02/06/2014 09:01:41 PM · #32
Originally posted by Ja-9:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I'm watching with bated breath, because I haven't cleared my card. I've reshot, but I like the first ones better. I can save as jpeg without making any changes to it, and it gives it the regular file name.

So what is the consensus? Am I still screwed?


We'll get an answer if it works or not...lol (because we will all be voting for yours right...lol)


Unless William88 enters: EstimatedEyes likes him better than me. :)
 02/06/2014 09:14:16 PM · #33
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by Ja-9:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I'm watching with bated breath, because I haven't cleared my card. I've reshot, but I like the first ones better. I can save as jpeg without making any changes to it, and it gives it the regular file name.

So what is the consensus? Am I still screwed?


We'll get an answer if it works or not...lol (because we will all be voting for yours right...lol)


Unless William88 enters: EstimatedEyes likes him better than me. :)


but we all like you better....
 02/06/2014 09:15:41 PM · #34
I think I found the answer -- the exif data shows the date created and date modified as different times.

So I doubt that would pass.

Drat!! I froze and took about 333 blurred shots. :(

*sniff*

*sigh*
 02/06/2014 09:34:13 PM · #35
Originally posted by vawendy:
And I shot RAW!

I froze my butt off taking blurry mess shots for about 40 minutes!!

grrrrr....


Even if you don't enter, I'm still going to vote for you. Because you're Wendy.
 02/06/2014 09:35:20 PM · #36
thanks Wendy
 02/06/2014 09:36:37 PM · #37
Originally posted by LN13:
Originally posted by vawendy:
And I shot RAW!

I froze my butt off taking blurry mess shots for about 40 minutes!!

grrrrr....


Even if you don't enter, I'm still going to vote for you. Because you're Wendy.


+10
 02/06/2014 09:38:14 PM · #38
Originally posted by Ja-9:
Originally posted by LN13:
Originally posted by vawendy:
And I shot RAW!

I froze my butt off taking blurry mess shots for about 40 minutes!!

grrrrr....


Even if you don't enter, I'm still going to vote for you. Because you're Wendy.


+10


haha!
 02/06/2014 09:46:49 PM · #39
Originally posted by vawendy:
I think I found the answer -- the exif data shows the date created and date modified as different times.

So I doubt that would pass.

Drat!! I froze and took about 333 blurred shots. :(

*sniff*

*sigh*

Best of 2014 Art all wrapped up then.
 02/06/2014 10:36:55 PM · #40
Are you kidding me????? I shot raw too! :( Checked my data and it is exactly the same in EXIF data. Same time and date. What does it matter anyway, I transfer it to jpg or jpeg and edit in photoshop. So why should that make a difference??
 02/06/2014 10:39:01 PM · #41
Originally posted by LevT:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Possibly ΓΆ€” I am not all that familiar with the latest NSA-quality forensic tools myself ... but our whole system is based on honor anyway, since that's the only reward. If people want to win a virtual ribbon by cheating, then they'll just have to live with their conscience, and know that they are less than they appear ...
Yeah, but if I convert a RAW file in-camera without changing any settings, I don't think it's cheating. It would follow not only the letter of the ruleset, but also its spirit, I think.

If the settings were indeed the same as at the time of exposure, then I think it would still violate the "letter" of the rules, but would be at least somewhat attuned to the spirit ...
 02/06/2014 10:47:25 PM · #42
I do think it's a shame that you can't use the RAW without making changes.

Why is that? When you edit a RAW file, it doesn't touch the RAW file (at least not in photoshop.) So you would see if anyone had made changes -- just like in jpeg.

Why is it that we can't submit a RAW to compare against?

(just curious at this point. Because it does seem silly that people can't just use a shot out of camera -- whether it's RAW or jpeg.

Message edited by author 2014-02-06 22:48:04.
 02/06/2014 10:54:04 PM · #43
Minimal just plain sucks. But I'm in.
 02/06/2014 10:57:52 PM · #44
I shot something else -- in jpeg this time. So I'm in.
 02/06/2014 11:09:31 PM · #45
Minimal rules are the acme of simplicity: take a picture, resize it straight out of camera with no further processing but sharpening, and submit it. When we bring the ability to work from RAW into the equation we've already added a layer of complexity, because you CAN'T view a RAW image without further processing. And once we open the door to "restricted use" of the RAW processor to prepare a legal image, we are guaranteeing that there will be some people who don't understand what this means and monkey with the settings just a bit.

It's a silly way of doing it. Think of Minimal Editing as working with color slides: that's what we had to do back in the day, and we had to get it right IN THE CAMERA. It's good discipline, and it's good fun. And, to be honest, I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for folks who fail to realize until it's too late that the rules are Minimal on a particular challenge: we ALL should be reading these challenge descriptions more closely than that.

FWIW, on my camera I have made a custom mode setting just for this, that shoots RAW + JPG medium and juices up the JPG parameters a little and brackets in bursts of 3. When a Minimal Editing challenge is announced, I spin the Mode Dial to C2 and leave it there until the challenge shooting period is over. That way I get bracketed JPG files on everything I shoot that week, and it's easy as pie to sort 'em by file type and delete the JPGs when I know I don't want them anymore...
 02/06/2014 11:17:22 PM · #46
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Minimal rules are the acme of simplicity:

And, to be honest, I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for folks who fail to realize until it's too late that the rules are Minimal on a particular challenge: we ALL should be reading these challenge descriptions more closely than that.

..


+1

The first thing my eye is drawn to when a challenge is announced is the 'rule set', I don't know why, but it does!

I actually found this great to do in minimal, that way no one can edit it in, I actually think we should do this once a month ha!
 02/06/2014 11:23:52 PM · #47
Originally posted by LevT:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Possibly ΓΆ€” I am not all that familiar with the latest NSA-quality forensic tools myself ... but our whole system is based on honor anyway, since that's the only reward. If people want to win a virtual ribbon by cheating, then they'll just have to live with their conscience, and know that they are less than they appear ...
Yeah, but if I convert a RAW file in-camera without changing any settings, I don't think it's cheating. It would follow not only the letter of the ruleset, but also its spirit, I think. Of course in my case this is an abstract discussion, since I formatted the card already, I think. And I am not sure my camera (Oly OM-D) would even allow me to do this.

Actually, I think it would completely violate the spirit of the ruleset... which is to set your camera and take the photo. Not take a photo and then play with all the different settings to PP the image in a manner you like.

Totally violates the spirit.
 02/07/2014 12:05:59 AM · #48
Originally posted by klkitchens:
Originally posted by LevT:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Possibly ΓΆ€” I am not all that familiar with the latest NSA-quality forensic tools myself ... but our whole system is based on honor anyway, since that's the only reward. If people want to win a virtual ribbon by cheating, then they'll just have to live with their conscience, and know that they are less than they appear ...
Yeah, but if I convert a RAW file in-camera without changing any settings, I don't think it's cheating. It would follow not only the letter of the ruleset, but also its spirit, I think. Of course in my case this is an abstract discussion, since I formatted the card already, I think. And I am not sure my camera (Oly OM-D) would even allow me to do this.

Actually, I think it would completely violate the spirit of the ruleset... which is to set your camera and take the photo. Not take a photo and then play with all the different settings to PP the image in a manner you like.

Totally violates the spirit.


I can do the same on my Fuji..... But I don't. Where's the fun in that?
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