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10/04/2013 04:08:12 PM · #26 |
And you don't know me... because if you did, you would KNOW I would call someone out if I was directing anything at them.
Last time I checked, Freedom of Speech was still a right in this country, so I'm doing nothing wrong; I'll "give it a rest" when I feel like it. Considering I was asking WHY people made such statements, and I've only received a couple of VALID answers, I will continue with my interest in knowing.
I still stand by my statement that it wasn't directed at anyone in particular. But if you would like it to be directed at you, by all means... go ahead.
I assumed you would take offense, since you did just mention being done... which is the exact reason why I stated what I did.
But, I'm done explaining myself about how it WASN'T directed at you. Next time anyone says it was aimed at them, I'll just go along with it. So they can defend themselves too. Better?
And yes, I'm being condescending.
And  skewsme, I brought it up because  Kellis statement REMINDED me about how much people complain and say they plan to leave, but it wasn't directed at HER.
Nevertheless, people can think what they want... But trust me, when I wanna call someone out, I will do so.
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10/04/2013 04:12:02 PM · #27 |
| Yo! Art, where's the popcorn at my man? ;) |
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10/04/2013 04:17:29 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Denielle:
And you don't know me... because if you did, you would KNOW I would call someone out if I was directing anything at them. |
I suggest you (and everyone in this thread) review the Forum Rules ΓΆ€” particularly #11.
I can either lock this thread now, later, or you all can just let it die. |
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10/04/2013 04:20:41 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Denielle:
Considering I was asking WHY people made such statements, and I've only received a couple of VALID answers, I will continue with my interest in knowing.
I assumed you would take offense, since you did just mention being done... which is the exact reason why I stated what I did.
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And I responded with a valid answer. Both here and in the other thread explaining what my statement meant.
And if you "assumed" I'd take offense, why did you expect me not to respond? Why are you deliberately trying to provoke an argument? I really don't understand why you posted this in the first place.
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10/04/2013 04:21:33 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Denielle:
And you don't know me... because if you did, you would KNOW I would call someone out if I was directing anything at them. |
I suggest you (and everyone in this thread) review the Forum Rules ΓΆ€” particularly #11.
I can either lock this thread now, later, or you all can just let it die. |
So this being quoted of me is because I said I WOULD call someone out?
Pretty sure I haven't done this in this circumstance, or in the past. But for future reference, I will keep it in mind.
As for Rule 11... I haven't personally attacked anyone. So lock the thread if you deem necessary.
My ORIGINAL post was as to WHY people said they were gonna leave. Still, I only have a few VALID answers... and I was simply looking for more SERIOUS and CONSTRUCTIVE answers. :)
Hope that clarifies that situation, just looking for some answers, that's all.
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10/04/2013 04:23:58 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by Denielle:
Considering I was asking WHY people made such statements, and I've only received a couple of VALID answers, I will continue with my interest in knowing.
I assumed you would take offense, since you did just mention being done... which is the exact reason why I stated what I did.
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And I responded with a valid answer. Both here and in the other thread explaining what my statement meant.
And if you "assumed" I'd take offense, why did you expect me not to respond? Why are you deliberately trying to provoke an argument? I really don't understand why you posted this in the first place. |
I wasn't worried if someone defended themselves and responded or not. The answer you responded with wasn't valid to my question at hand. Or at least not that I saw. Perhaps I missed something. And I am not deliberately trying to provoke arguments. I'm simply defending my position.
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10/04/2013 04:27:47 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Denielle:
My ORIGINAL post was as to WHY people said they were gonna leave. Still, I only have a few VALID answers... and I was simply looking for more SERIOUS and CONSTRUCTIVE answers. :) |
Well, the obvious answer is the one you posed originally ΓΆ€” attention-seeking ΓΆ€” and honestly, my initial response was "yeah -- exactly like this thread!"
Other than that, unless the very same people who said they were leaving happen to come back and read this thread, I don't see how you can get any answers other than idle speculation on the part of others who have not declared themselves outta here ...
I suppose you could PM the people who have "complained about their scores" and demand to know why they posted their complaint, but I'm not sure they'll feel they owe you an explanation.
ETA: and yes, I referred to Forum Rule #11 because you said you'd call someone out in the future if you felt like it ΓΆ€” I hate having to censor or suspend people, and I'd much rather remind you of the rules now, before you do something you might later regret.
Message edited by author 2013-10-04 16:30:19. |
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10/04/2013 04:45:19 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Denielle:
My ORIGINAL post was as to WHY people said they were gonna leave. Still, I only have a few VALID answers... and I was simply looking for more SERIOUS and CONSTRUCTIVE answers. :) |
Well, the obvious answer is the one you posed originally ΓΆ€” attention-seeking ΓΆ€” and honestly, my initial response was "yeah -- exactly like this thread!"
Other than that, unless the very same people who said they were leaving happen to come back and read this thread, I don't see how you can get any answers other than idle speculation on the part of others who have not declared themselves outta here ...
I suppose you could PM the people who have "complained about their scores" and demand to know why they posted their complaint, but I'm not sure they'll feel they owe you an explanation.
ETA: and yes, I referred to Forum Rule #11 because you said you'd call someone out in the future if you felt like it ΓΆ€” I hate having to censor or suspend people, and I'd much rather remind you of the rules now, before you do something you might later regret. |
Isn't every thread considered "attention seeking" in one way or another?
And I don't demand to know, nor do I feel I am owed any sort of explanation. I was just curious. This is simply because I haven't once felt I was going to leave due to a low score. Perhaps I just haven't reached that point, but I know of quite a few who have said negative things about this place and "troll voters" and how they planned on leaving. In fact, one person I have been speaking with in PM HAS left for a while and decided to come back. This person HAS given some insight as to why they left. And I appreciate that response.
And as for calling someone out... I would PM them first, if it was something I felt would offend them or cause a commotion. I didn't think this thread would. In all actuality... this thread could have been drama free if there wasn't defensiveness (myself included).
So... is it safe to say that it is your opinion that people make idle threats simply for attention? That they complain for attention?
Or would you rather not get wrapped up in this conversation ;)
Anyhow... I'm assuming for some it could be attention seeking... for others, they are just venting their anger... and for others, they may be on the fence and been looking for a reason to stay (or leave, whatever the case may be)?
Thoughts on this?
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10/04/2013 05:09:23 PM · #34 |
...that's it, I'm leaving. :O)
Ray |
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10/04/2013 05:12:49 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
...that's it, I'm leaving. :O)
Ray |
Haha! :)
Thanks for lightening the mood here. It needed that
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10/04/2013 06:45:38 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Yo! Art, where's the popcorn at my man? ;) |
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10/04/2013 08:17:26 PM · #37 |
well, before this thread does get locked, I have a message for Kelli:
I hope you change your mind about entering challenges, for selfish reasons. I don't care what your score is, I always check to see what your entry is for each challenge, because I find your take on it to be interesting. |
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10/04/2013 08:59:39 PM · #38 |
Kelli remember you a part of a clan, a group, hell you might call it a team. This team might have fell silent, but in some of us the idea lives on.
My user name has changed, but I still Suck,
Message edited by author 2013-10-04 21:12:15. |
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10/04/2013 09:38:32 PM · #39 |
Kelli, my dear friend, unfortunately you got sucked into an argument/rant as old as DPC. You are one of the few who should not stop participating, we need you. As far as the low scoring is concerned, the power of the mostly non seeing masses is unfairly distributed, I feel for you. Nothing as discouraging as knowing the image is above average yet the score is below average eg a 5.1.
But you should also know, there are always the strong insensitive ones who will not give up the opportunity to jump in for a kill or to bath us in their moment of wisdom, however insensitive and uncalled for, however opinionated. Just do not get sucked in, eventually in this world you will even be insulted with "if the shoe fits". Now that made me angry. The shoe does not fit, only the ignorant, arrogant and very scary insensitive may deem it it that way. Laugh it off.
I have only participated in 215 challenges, my average vote is around 5.6 and average received also around 5.6. I am indeed average in the eyes of the hard hitting family of DPC.
I suppose I will die before I leave DPC. I love you all, even the dysfunctional ones. LOL! Oh yes, I love Cory too, but how did he get sucked in? Where is his wisdom in a display of humanity and humility? |
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10/04/2013 10:20:41 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by docpjv:
Kelli, my dear friend, unfortunately you got sucked into an argument/rant as old as DPC. You are one of the few who should not stop participating, we need you. As far as the low scoring is concerned, the power of the mostly non seeing masses is unfairly distributed, I feel for you. Nothing as discouraging as knowing the image is above average yet the score is below average eg a 5.1.
But you should also know, there are always the strong insensitive ones who will not give up the opportunity to jump in for a kill or to bath us in their moment of wisdom, however insensitive and uncalled for, however opinionated. Just do not get sucked in, eventually in this world you will even be insulted with "if the shoe fits". Now that made me angry. The shoe does not fit, only the ignorant, arrogant and very scary insensitive may deem it it that way. Laugh it off.
I have only participated in 215 challenges, my average vote is around 5.6 and average received also around 5.6. I am indeed average in the eyes of the hard hitting family of DPC.
I suppose I will die before I leave DPC. I love you all, even the dysfunctional ones. LOL! Oh yes, I love Cory too, but how did he get sucked in? Where is his wisdom in a display of humanity and humility? |
Love you too Doc. And I especially love that the mention of the "dysfunctional ones" was shortly followed by a recall of myself. ;)
Seriously though - I kinda skirted the controversy here - just tried to post a couple of encouraging bits of 'wisdom' (or as close as I come to it anyway)..
And 215? Hell yeah - I remember when you weren't sure you'd see your 200th- And I think your work in those last 15 has been, frankly, awesome. |
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10/05/2013 01:52:08 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
I wasn't even complaining about my score. If it's voted low, that's obviously what it deserves. I'm just done trying to compete. It isn't worth how badly it undermines my confidence at this point in my life. I'm not a professional. This is just supposed to be fun for me, and it isn't anymore. I'm hoping a good side challenge pops up that I can play in. |
I can VERY much relate to this. When it simply is depressing and not fun, it's not worth entering. I can't figure out why I still do it, either. To answer the question about why one would say they want to quit over low scores - it's a competition, isn't it? The object is to score well, isn't it? And when you consistently, repeatedly do not do that, it gets tiring. One does like a bit of positive feedback now and again to continue an activity. Hopefully Kelli got a bit of that from some fellow Suckees. :-) But it's still awfully depressing to keep trying and not getting anywhere. Or as in my case, getting worse! I think I'm the only one on DPC (and probably not the only one, really) who has an average that is falling after so many years of "trying". And I would tell others that they should comment more to improve their own photography, as so many others have remarked through the ages, but I'm an excellent example of how that doesn't always work. Ha!
(So how many dead horses did I manage to get in with that response?) |
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10/05/2013 02:35:39 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by docpjv:
Kelli, my dear friend, unfortunately you got sucked into an argument/rant as old as DPC. You are one of the few who should not stop participating, we need you. |
The man speak wisdom. Putting out good work and having it be recognized can be....draining. But if you are shooting for an average, how much fun is that? If you can find a few people who like your work, and they can help you become a better photographer (no matter what your average score is). Some of what I consider the best photographers on the site have pretty lousy average scores, but I am sure glad they stick around so I can learn from them. |
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10/05/2013 02:55:13 AM · #43 |
 
Don't mind me. Yeah many dead horses here, but still I think it's a valuable conversation to have every once in awhile - especially when a valued member succumbs to low-score fatigue. I understand how people feel this way, but I have a hard time relating - I can't remember a time other than maybe my first couple months here that I cared much if at all about my score. It's nice to ribbon once every few years, but my enjoyment comes from even just a handful of folks who appreciate what I throw out there - whether in a challenge or a side challenge or a forum thread. And I am quite sure Kelli and Deb have a lot more fans (silent and otherwise) than they think. |
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10/05/2013 06:03:44 AM · #44 |
| It all started when Eyefetch closed down |
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10/05/2013 06:49:53 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by MAK:
It all started when Eyefetch closed down |
Not true, it resulted in Eyefetch. Then Eyefetch went down the road, much like DPC is, but much faster due to a severe lack of finances. Timythetoo and many other from this family played both, why not. Timythetoo, Les and myself held the most golds, got such positive feedback that we just kept turning in images.
Then more DPC'ers discovered Eyefetch and I thought well, battering one one side is enough, so I came home to play only here. 'Thwas good while it lasted.
Deb, Kelli, BrennanOB, Cory ET AL, some of us, ME for example, do not shoot for average. We are doing our best in every challenge, we experiment and try. And get tired of seldom meeting someone with something positive to say. I am average, please allow me to be who I am and do not crucify me for not being YOUR imaginative speculative great grand master. Tell you something, if I were, I would not have been here; learning loving my family and my chance to be amoungst people like minded mostly. I would have been directing our masterful young man Joey LOL! |
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10/05/2013 07:05:24 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by docpjv:
Originally posted by MAK:
It all started when Eyefetch closed down |
Not true, it resulted in Eyefetch. Then Eyefetch went down the road, much like DPC is, but much faster due to a severe lack of finances. Timythetoo and many other from this family played both, why not. Timythetoo, Les and myself held the most golds, got such positive feedback that we just kept turning in images.
Then more DPC'ers discovered Eyefetch and I thought well, battering one one side is enough, so I came home to play only here. 'Thwas good while it lasted.
Deb, Kelli, BrennanOB, Cory ET AL, some of us, ME for example, do not shoot for average. We are doing our best in every challenge, we experiment and try. And get tired of seldom meeting someone with something positive to say. I am average, please allow me to be who I am and do not crucify me for not being YOUR imaginative speculative great grand master. Tell you something, if I were, I would not have been here; learning loving my family and my chance to be amoungst people like minded mostly. I would have been directing our masterful young man Joey LOL! |
Sorry Doc I should of used a 'tongue in cheek' smiley ... I was poking fun.. I definitely do not shoot for scores as you can tell by looking at my last few results and i was also i member at eyefetch, I just remember there being the same kind of petty fighting going on there as there was/is here.. next time I will make it clearer.
Regards
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10/05/2013 07:32:13 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
I am quite sure Kelli and Deb have a lot more fans (silent and otherwise) than they think. |
you'd be quite correct.
to the OP, i've never strayed too far, or thought of quitting, but score fatigue can be a very depressing aspect of a site that i love for many other reasons. and i can relate to an "i'm quitting" post but i also tire of seeing them repeatedly.
i understand you were coming from a genuine sense of curiosity, however, posting a new thread along those lines was sure to start a firestorm |
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10/05/2013 09:40:48 AM · #48 |
| Score fatigue... I like it! Thanks everyone, for the support. I do think that's what finally got to me. Score fatigue, combined with real life fatigue. Scores are on me. I know how to shoot for scores, but I haven't been because I haven't had the time. I usually try to mix it up with things that will score well and things that I don't think will but I enjoy. I've been shoehorning crap like crazy. I miss going out and looking for something to shoot. I miss my big "finds". Life has kicked me around lately, and I guess yesterday I lost my positive, can do attitude for a bit. So I thank you all again for the support. I woke up to a better day. :D |
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10/05/2013 09:54:28 AM · #49 |
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10/05/2013 10:07:08 AM · #50 |
Kelli
I really didn't mean harm in my original post. So I do apologize since it offended you (and it was really meant not to). I just wanted to find out why people got so upset about scores and wanted to leave, before I forgot about it. I don't have the best memory, so I I don't ask something right when I'm reminded of it, or when it pops into my head, I will forget.
Anyhow... Your last response about how fatigue, in general, answered my original question. I guess one of the reasons why I don't let it get to me is because I'm not here as often. So many things in my life prevent me from coming here as much as I'd like. And many times I enter "last minute" shots, rather than putting 100% in every time. Hard to get upset about something when you don't put your all into it.
The last challenge I entered "fool the viewer" proved (to me) that when I do apply myself, I can score well an create something both appealing to myself and others. Then again, some of the ones that I've applied myself totally, must have lacked something, because they didn't score a well. But it is what it is.
Anyhow...
This discussion did open my eyes.
As for your images go, many of them are under rated. You have some great work in your portfolio, and should be proud.
Also, while I may be short tempered at times, I'm also one to admit when I've hurt someone, and try to make amends.
So I do apologize for offending you. It wasn't directed at you. And in the future, I will try to be me cautious of my words.
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