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04/09/2013 06:26:00 AM · #151 |
the post with the team logos look great.
i have a suggestion. what about each team captain include each team member in the notes section for each logo. that way anyone can click on the team logo and see each member on that team.
using the [user][/user] tag for each team member would be good also. that way it's easy to see that particular team member's profile.
hope this makes sense. |
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04/09/2013 10:21:54 AM · #152 |
| Looks great Cory! And thanks.....my only nit is the ribbons..... may we save them until the end? |
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04/09/2013 11:08:32 AM · #153 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Looks great Cory! And thanks.....my only nit is the ribbons..... may we save them until the end? |
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Why would that bother you - they're really only there as visual aids to indicate the top three current teams in each division.
More input from others please - is this something that helps, or bothers you? Clearly, it's not difficult to change if they're not helpful. |
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04/09/2013 11:16:49 AM · #154 |
Great idea and it is done for Lucky 7's
Originally posted by Cuttooth:
the post with the team logos look great.
i have a suggestion. what about each team captain include each team member in the notes section for each logo. that way anyone can click on the team logo and see each member on that team.
using the [user][/user] tag for each team member would be good also. that way it's easy to see that particular team member's profile.
hope this makes sense. |
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04/09/2013 11:19:40 AM · #155 |
| I would prefer if the ribbons were not there. After all, there are two teams on the Eastern league with 7.5 points each, but the 'yellow ribbon' is only on one of them. Ever so slightly confusing visually. |
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04/09/2013 11:26:49 AM · #156 |
| I think the fact that they are listed from top score to bottom score is enough at this point. |
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04/09/2013 11:29:15 AM · #157 |
Three without a single voice of support.
The ribbon gifs will be removed. :)
Any other mods? This is the time for suggestions.
Message edited by author 2013-04-09 11:30:12. |
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04/09/2013 11:29:28 AM · #158 |
Originally posted by Cory:
...More input from others please... |
It needs nude photos of the event organizers.
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04/09/2013 11:30:50 AM · #159 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by Cory:
...More input from others please... |
It needs nude photos of the event organizers. |
Aww, you're soo sweet. ;) |
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04/09/2013 05:10:59 PM · #160 |
| This looks AWESOME and is very much appreciated! Now it looks all legit and such :) |
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04/09/2013 06:04:24 PM · #161 |
Looks good Cory; having a visual graph that can be understood is helpful, although it really brings home that we are in last place!
Good job everyone. |
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04/10/2013 04:09:36 AM · #162 |
Looks good Cory.
Just going to bump these threads because it makes it easier if they are in this thread :)
Week 1 Results
Week 2 Results
Week 3 Results
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04/10/2013 07:52:30 AM · #163 |
Thank you Cory
Only saw this now. That is so cool to see the actual 1:1 head on scores. Very neat.
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04/10/2013 08:01:20 AM · #164 |
the more i look at week two, the more i think you guys need to update the scoring system next time, it is completely wrong we got zero points for our phenomenal showing.
maybe award the points for individual matches (3, 1.5, 0) and then bonus points for a team win?
Message edited by author 2013-04-10 08:01:32. |
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04/10/2013 08:40:20 AM · #165 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
the more i look at week two, the more i think you guys need to update the scoring system next time, it is completely wrong we got zero points for our phenomenal showing.
maybe award the points for individual matches (3, 1.5, 0) and then bonus points for a team win? |
If you mean using the sum of the individual scores as the final match score, I would be keen on removing the limitation of the four top scores and consider all 6 individual matches, since an individual match would have little weight in the global result and would allow all the members of the team to contribute equally to the score. Also the bonus would have to be increased.
In the particular example that you mention it would be like this:
LydiaToo vs. jagar
Things In A Row:97.66% = 1.5pts Things In A Row:94.53% = 1.5pts
mike_311 vs. PennyStreet
Make Believe Sports:97.06% = 1.5pts Things In A Row:92.97% = 1.5pts
CNovack vs. colorcarnival
Lucky 13 II:85.94% = 1.5pts Lucky 13 II:84.38% = 1.5pts
mariuca vs. Yandrosxx
Things In A Row:70.31% = 0pts Lucky 13 II:80.47% = 3pts
hajeka vs. Paul
Lucky 13 II:56.25% = 0pts Make Believe Sports:79.41% = 3pts
RyanWareham vs jaysonmc
Things In A Row:28.91% = 0pts Things In A Row:62.5% = 3pts
Final score: 4.5 + Bonus 13.5 + Bonus
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04/10/2013 08:42:50 AM · #166 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
the more i look at week two, the more i think you guys need to update the scoring system next time, it is completely wrong we got zero points for our phenomenal showing.
maybe award the points for individual matches (3, 1.5, 0) and then bonus points for a team win? |
If you look at the sum of the percent difference of the top 4 results, there is a 1% difference favoring the Naked Pedestrians. I'd say this indicates phenomenal results on the part of both teams. In this case the scoring system worked but maybe the 5% rate should be lowered. |
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04/10/2013 08:57:10 AM · #167 |
Originally posted by colorcarnival:
Originally posted by mike_311:
the more i look at week two, the more i think you guys need to update the scoring system next time, it is completely wrong we got zero points for our phenomenal showing.
maybe award the points for individual matches (3, 1.5, 0) and then bonus points for a team win? |
If you look at the sum of the percent difference of the top 4 results, there is a 1% difference favoring the Naked Pedestrians. I'd say this indicates phenomenal results on the part of both teams. In this case the scoring system worked but maybe the 5% rate should be lowered. |
In this matter, my line of thought is towards using the challenge with lower number of submissions each week as template for the for the percentile bracketing and have ties between consecutive percentile brackets. In this scenario, the "5%" would be variable and essentially would be the difference between consecutive positions in the challenge with lower number of entries. The actual percentage would be 2% 50 entries, 1% with 100 entries, etc...
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04/10/2013 09:16:34 AM · #168 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
the more i look at week two, the more i think you guys need to update the scoring system next time, it is completely wrong we got zero points for our phenomenal showing.
maybe award the points for individual matches (3, 1.5, 0) and then bonus points for a team win? |
I understand your position but I find the scoring system to be really interesting. The way it means that everybody's entries matter is quite brilliant. Granted, I can accept Epsi's thinking in relation to a variable percentage to make the draws, that's a good call too. |
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04/10/2013 09:48:28 AM · #169 |
| The scoring system works, you can't please everyone nor should you try. IMHO. |
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04/10/2013 10:00:11 AM · #170 |
The scoring system definitely works.
Mike, you had an awesome week personally, as did Lydia, but if you average the percentages from each team ΓΆ€” which isn't an aspect of the scoring for TPL but works to illustrate why the scoring does work ΓΆ€” your team averaged 72.69% while the other team averaged 82.38%. As a team competition it's hard to dispute the result. |
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04/10/2013 10:01:31 AM · #171 |
Originally posted by MAK:
The scoring system works, you can't please everyone nor should you try. IMHO. |
i agree no scoring system is going to be fair to everyone, i'm only offering a suggestion. its just seems bit out of place that our team got zero points for essentially beating the other teams top three members. of course it is a team event.
sorry if this sound like sour grapes, its not intended to be such, i really like this TPL, its good for the site and good for us, my scores has averaged over a 6 since this started and the effort i'm putting in for TPL is a big reason why, its just discouraging when you have a phenomenal team week and get nullified by a technicality :).
i just question if a scoring system that is more fair exists. if not then so be it, but it should at least be explored to see if there is one.
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04/10/2013 10:16:06 AM · #172 |
Originally posted by MAK:
The scoring system works, you can't please everyone nor should you try. IMHO. |
+1 ... So true. But you guys have done a terrific job with this. It's incredible to see the faceoffs and the overall view (w/ logos) is awesome. |
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04/10/2013 10:23:39 AM · #173 |
I'm all for using full team comparisons because it obviously compares each team's complete effort. I don't think TPL should be a best 4 comparison. Some folks (and I suspect there are some) may never contribute to the team effort because of the four comparison limitation. It should be a whole team comparison.
In that scenario, week 2 wasn't close.
I also believe that a percentage adjustment is needed to balance the discrepancy between challenge entries. In week 2, one of the ribbons earned was earned in a challenge with 39 entries and was compared to an entry entered in a challenge with 129 entries. In short, the latter entry competed against 94 additional entries. Who knows if the ribboned entry would have faired so well if entered in a challenge with 129 additional entries.
I think it's certainly fair to expect it to outperform the opposing entry by some reasonable margin.
It's hard to understand how requiring a 5% margin per pairing is unfair in that scenario. It may not be the best solution, but its certainly rational.
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04/10/2013 10:30:41 AM · #174 |
Incidentally, the 5% margin isn't a technicality. It's there to balance the difference in challenge entries in an effort to make comparisons across challenges more accurate. Trying to base it on raw percentage versus raw percentage doesn't paint an accurate picture of whether one pic outperformed another which is essentially why the week 2 results are fair enough.
I'd support a variable percentage. I thought that'd be a better way to do it originally. I just thought it would be too much work to manage week to week. But, you guys seem to have a handle on how to do it. My hats off to you for making the effort if you do. FYI, thanks putting the effort in to make this happen.
I agree with Mike, it's really helped me improve my photography and my teammates have been amazing. |
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04/10/2013 10:47:31 AM · #175 |
another idea.
how about a applying a factor that reduces the weight the number of entry can influence the score.
for instance my nude entry place 7th with a 6.5 score yet will only get a 83% because of the low number of entries. meanwhile my duotone scored a 6.2 place 19 out of a 175 worth 90%.
seems way out of line.
Message edited by author 2013-04-10 10:57:01. |
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