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01/21/2013 06:04:56 PM · #751 |
Oh great....apparently it is now racist to oppose Obama's gun control plan.....Really??? I can't post the link at work, but you can google for it.
1st I was called racist for not voting on Obama (twice, I might add) Now apparently I am racist for not supporting Obama's plan... This really does not describe me at all. I have black friends, I have had mexican friends in the past. I mean really the left is really streaching on this one.
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01/21/2013 06:10:00 PM · #752 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Now apparently I am racist for not supporting Obama's plan... This really does not describe me at all. I have black friends, I have had mexican friends in the past. I mean really the left is really streaching on this one. |
You say that as if "the left" is a monolithic entity... It's no more so than is "the right". There are extremists of all stripes in this country. And, since when has "Mexican" been a "race"?
Message edited by author 2013-01-21 18:10:17. |
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01/21/2013 08:26:36 PM · #753 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Now apparently I am racist for not supporting Obama's plan... This really does not describe me at all. I have black friends, I have had mexican friends in the past. I mean really the left is really streaching on this one. |
You say that as if "the left" is a monolithic entity... It's no more so than is "the right". There are extremists of all stripes in this country. And, since when has "Mexican" been a "race"? |
I heard what was said. Rep Hank Johnson (D-GA) said that opposition to Obama's proposed gun legislation is resentment over the fact that a black man got elected twice to the office of president. Charley Rangel said that New York is more "progressive" and that the South is basically racist and that's why the gun laws are "more lax" there.
Message edited by author 2013-01-21 20:27:12. |
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01/21/2013 08:57:16 PM · #754 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
The flaw with the range "keeping" my ammo. That has effectively eliminated any home protection, hunting, or target practice that doesnt take place at the range. |
They can hold whatever is over the number necessary for self-defense or hunting. |
I need 2k rounds for target shooting out on the farm... |
Sounds like you need better aim. |
Nope, I just like to practice...a lot.
It's why I can easily kill a squirrel or a rabbit with a single shot to the head from 75+ m using my .22, drop a coyote at 300+ m with a single round from my AR or kill a deer with a textbook heart/lung shot with a single 12ga slug. |
It's great you're honing your killing skills. If the world is missing one skill set it's that. |
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01/21/2013 10:04:16 PM · #755 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
The flaw with the range "keeping" my ammo. That has effectively eliminated any home protection, hunting, or target practice that doesnt take place at the range. |
They can hold whatever is over the number necessary for self-defense or hunting. |
I need 2k rounds for target shooting out on the farm... |
Sounds like you need better aim. |
Nope, I just like to practice...a lot.
It's why I can easily kill a squirrel or a rabbit with a single shot to the head from 75+ m using my .22, drop a coyote at 300+ m with a single round from my AR or kill a deer with a textbook heart/lung shot with a single 12ga slug. |
It's great you're honing your killing skills. If the world is missing one skill set it's that. |
It's about putting food on the table and making a clean kill of it.
There are too many idiots who go hunting and wound their prey only to have it run off in the woods to die a slow death. |
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01/21/2013 10:07:53 PM · #756 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
It's about putting food on the table and making a clean kill of it. |
Oh, I thought it was about being able to shoot back at the Feds after the totalitarian takeover ... |
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01/21/2013 10:14:13 PM · #757 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Now apparently I am racist for not supporting Obama's plan... This really does not describe me at all. I have black friends, I have had mexican friends in the past. I mean really the left is really streaching on this one. |
You say that as if "the left" is a monolithic entity... It's no more so than is "the right". There are extremists of all stripes in this country. And, since when has "Mexican" been a "race"? |
I heard what was said. Rep Hank Johnson (D-GA) said that opposition to Obama's proposed gun legislation is resentment over the fact that a black man got elected twice to the office of president. Charley Rangel said that New York is more "progressive" and that the South is basically racist and that's why the gun laws are "more lax" there. |
Oh, I'm not disputing it was said. I'm just pointing out that an idiot like that no more represents most "liberals" than, say, Glenn Beck does most "conservatives". |
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01/21/2013 10:40:36 PM · #758 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Spork99:
It's about putting food on the table and making a clean kill of it. |
Oh, I thought it was about being able to shoot back at the Feds after the totalitarian takeover ... |
I suppose it might be if it came to that, but I don't anticipate that happening really, ever. |
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01/21/2013 11:16:22 PM · #759 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Spork99:
It's about putting food on the table and making a clean kill of it. |
Oh, I thought it was about being able to shoot back at the Feds after the totalitarian takeover ... |
I suppose it might be if it came to that, but I don't anticipate that happening really, ever. |
The Second Amendment only talks about State Militias -- I don't recall it mentioning hunting at all ... the right to defend their "individual liberty" against the oppression of the state (i.e. the Federal government) seems to be the basis of the Second Amendment absolutists' position ... |
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01/21/2013 11:38:06 PM · #760 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
The flaw with the range "keeping" my ammo. That has effectively eliminated any home protection, hunting, or target practice that doesnt take place at the range. |
They can hold whatever is over the number necessary for self-defense or hunting. |
I need 2k rounds for target shooting out on the farm... |
Sounds like you need better aim. |
Nope, I just like to practice...a lot.
It's why I can easily kill a squirrel or a rabbit with a single shot to the head from 75+ m using my .22, drop a coyote at 300+ m with a single round from my AR or kill a deer with a textbook heart/lung shot with a single 12ga slug. |
It's great you're honing your killing skills. If the world is missing one skill set it's that. |
It's about putting food on the table and making a clean kill of it.
There are too many idiots who go hunting and wound their prey only to have it run off in the woods to die a slow death. |
Well you wouldn't want to have that on your conscious. All this talk has me hungry, but I'm tired of rubber grilled squirrel. Got any smoked recipes? |
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01/21/2013 11:38:20 PM · #761 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
It's about putting food on the table and making a clean kill of it. |
So you're actually eating all those animals? (squirrel, rabbit, coyote, deer) |
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01/21/2013 11:40:10 PM · #762 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I'm just pointing out that an idiot like that no more represents most "liberals" than, say, Glenn Beck does most "conservatives". |
Hmm... I thought Glenn Beck DID represent most conservatives. |
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01/22/2013 12:01:34 AM · #763 |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I'm just pointing out that an idiot like that no more represents most "liberals" than, say, Glenn Beck does most "conservatives". |
Hmm... I thought Glenn Beck DID represent most conservatives. |
Well, my father was a lifelong Republican, as were most of his friends. He was "conservative" in the best way; compassionate, caring, inclusive. He never let ideology get in the way of common sense, a condition to which I aspire myself. |
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01/22/2013 02:44:16 AM · #764 |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
Originally posted by Spork99:
It's about putting food on the table and making a clean kill of it. |
So you're actually eating all those animals? (squirrel, rabbit, coyote, deer) |
Yes, they are for eating, with the exception of the coyotes. Those kill and injure my uncle's cattle, have killed his neighbor's dogs an chickens. So killing them puts food on the table, just not directly.
I do try to donate at least one deer to a group that will process it and use the meat to feed the needy.
I've also hunted turkey, geese, pheasant, quail, duck with varying degrees of success...all were eaten.
Message edited by author 2013-01-22 02:54:12. |
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01/22/2013 02:57:29 AM · #765 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Spork99:
It's about putting food on the table and making a clean kill of it. |
Oh, I thought it was about being able to shoot back at the Feds after the totalitarian takeover ... |
I suppose it might be if it came to that, but I don't anticipate that happening really, ever. |
The Second Amendment only talks about State Militias -- I don't recall it mentioning hunting at all ... the right to defend their "individual liberty" against the oppression of the state (i.e. the Federal government) seems to be the basis of the Second Amendment absolutists' position ... |
I'm OK with making the government uncomfortable. |
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01/22/2013 02:58:15 AM · #766 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
The flaw with the range "keeping" my ammo. That has effectively eliminated any home protection, hunting, or target practice that doesnt take place at the range. |
They can hold whatever is over the number necessary for self-defense or hunting. |
I need 2k rounds for target shooting out on the farm... |
Sounds like you need better aim. |
Nope, I just like to practice...a lot.
It's why I can easily kill a squirrel or a rabbit with a single shot to the head from 75+ m using my .22, drop a coyote at 300+ m with a single round from my AR or kill a deer with a textbook heart/lung shot with a single 12ga slug. |
It's great you're honing your killing skills. If the world is missing one skill set it's that. |
It's about putting food on the table and making a clean kill of it.
There are too many idiots who go hunting and wound their prey only to have it run off in the woods to die a slow death. |
Well you wouldn't want to have that on your conscious. All this talk has me hungry, but I'm tired of rubber grilled squirrel. Got any smoked recipes? |
This one's not too bad.
Of course you have to be conscious to eat it with good conscience.
Message edited by author 2013-01-22 03:00:10. |
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01/22/2013 08:35:55 AM · #767 |
actually that recipe sounds pretty good. I have had squirrel a couple of times but it has been a while.
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01/22/2013 11:05:08 AM · #768 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I'm just pointing out that an idiot like that no more represents most "liberals" than, say, Glenn Beck does most "conservatives". |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
Hmm... I thought Glenn Beck DID represent most conservatives. |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Well, my father was a lifelong Republican, as were most of his friends. He was "conservative" in the best way; compassionate, caring, inclusive. He never let ideology get in the way of common sense, a condition to which I aspire myself. |
Your father and his friends were "old school" Republicans, I think. Most of the people I know locally (here in upstate New York) identify as Republican/Conservative. Unfortunately, I think I'd be hard pressed to find one who would disagree with Glenn Beck in any meaningful way. |
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01/22/2013 12:22:10 PM · #769 |
I have to say that I do like Glen Beck...however I don't agree with him all the time...just because he said it...does not make it gospel. However he does bring up good points.
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01/22/2013 06:41:15 PM · #770 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I have to say that I do like Glen Beck...however I don't agree with him all the time...just because he said it...does not make it gospel. However he does bring up good points. |
Even a broken clock is right twice a day... But the man's a bona-fide wing-nut, a conspiracy freak, a nutter. Here's a few quotes from him:
Originally posted by Glenn Beck:
"So here you have Barack Obama going in and spending the money on embryonic stem cell research. ... Eugenics. In case you don't know what Eugenics led us to: the Final Solution. A master race! A perfect person. ... The stuff that we are facing is absolutely frightening."
—Glenn Beck on his radio show, March 9, 2009 |
This shows a complete lack of comprehension of what stem cell research is all about...
Originally posted by Glenn Beck:
"You have three people in the White House that are in love with eugenics or whatever it is you would call it today. ... Please dear God, read history. Please dear God read the truth of what these people have said in their own words, and ask yourself this one question: Do you trust these people enough to give them control over who lives and who dies? Because that's what health care is when you have no other choice but to go to the state."
—Glenn Beck, comparing health care reform to Nazi eugenics |
"No other choice?" Nobody has to give up their private insurance under "Obamacare".
Originally posted by Glenn Beck:
"Barack Obama ... chose to use his name Barack for a reason -- to identify, not with America -- you don't take the name Barack to identify with America. You take the name Barack to identify with what? Your heritage? The heritage, maybe, of your father in Kenya, who is a radical? Is -- really? Searching for something to give him any kind of meaning, just as he was searching later in life for religion."
—Glenn Beck, "The Glenn Beck Program," Feb. 4, 2010 |
That's just plain nuts...
Originally posted by Glenn Beck:
"I don't think we came from monkeys. I think that's ridiculous. I haven't seen a half-monkey, half-person yet."
—Glenn Beck on evolution, The Glenn Beck Program, Oct. 20, 2010 |
Clearly devoid of any comprehension of what the "Theory of Evolution" actually IS... We're not "descended from monkeys", we're different branches of the primate tree.
Originally posted by Glenn Beck:
"Al Gore's not going to be rounding up Jews and exterminating them. It is the same tactic, however. The goal is different. The goal is globalization...And you must silence all dissenting voices. That's what Hitler did. That's what Al Gore, the U.N., and everybody on the global warming bandwagon [are doing]."
—Glenn Beck on his radio show, May 1, 2007 |
I don't know about you, but this doesn't sound rational to me.
Message edited by author 2013-01-22 18:46:53. |
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01/22/2013 07:51:34 PM · #771 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I have to say that I do like Glen Beck...however I don't agree with him all the time...just because he said it...does not make it gospel. However he does bring up good points. |
Even a broken clock is right twice a day... But the man's a bona-fide wing-nut, a conspiracy freak, a nutter. Here's a few quotes from him:
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...lots of quotes, mostly with spurious comparisons of Obama to Hitler....
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Clearly, Glenn Beck has never heard of Godwin's law.
Message edited by author 2013-01-22 19:52:40. |
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01/23/2013 01:02:56 AM · #772 |
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01/23/2013 02:34:58 AM · #773 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
You know me  Flash and are familiar with my background. Surely you can understand that I am not an anti-gun person, but would readily support some semblance of controls as it relates to registration, storage, trigger locks, background checks for all and the maintaining of records relative to mental issues and the like.Ray |
I do know you and have no problems with many of your positions and postings. You read to me as a person with personal experience in these matters and reasoned in your approach to them.
eta: I lock my car in my own driveway and lock the house doors if I'm out working in the yard. Can't even imagine leaving these unlocked at night while in condition white. In the summer, the only open window at night is in the room I'm sleeping, and then I have both a dog and tools for defense. VERY different circumstances than your unlocked doors for sure. You think its due to the canadian laws and gun restrictions or more a reflection of your local area? I'm pretty sure there are places in the U.P. where folks don't lock their doors - but Flint or Detroit is far from that scene.
Message edited by author 2013-01-23 03:04:29. |
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01/23/2013 10:16:02 AM · #774 |
Originally posted by Flash:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
You know me Flash and are familiar with my background. Surely you can understand that I am not an anti-gun person, but would readily support some semblance of controls as it relates to registration, storage, trigger locks, background checks for all and the maintaining of records relative to mental issues and the like.Ray |
I do know you and have no problems with many of your positions and postings. You read to me as a person with personal experience in these matters and reasoned in your approach to them.
eta: I lock my car in my own driveway and lock the house doors if I'm out working in the yard. Can't even imagine leaving these unlocked at night while in condition white. In the summer, the only open window at night is in the room I'm sleeping, and then I have both a dog and tools for defense. VERY different circumstances than your unlocked doors for sure. You think its due to the canadian laws and gun restrictions or more a reflection of your local area? I'm pretty sure there are places in the U.P. where folks don't lock their doors - but Flint or Detroit is far from that scene. |
I recall reading that earlier this year the Canadians stopped "tracking" long guns and destroyed existing registration records for long guns because it was mostly a burden on law abiding citizens and had little or no effect on crime.
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01/23/2013 10:21:27 AM · #775 |
There was a home invasion right down the street from me 2 days ago. The people were not home at the time...I do not know what was stolen.
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