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01/18/2013 10:21:56 AM · #1 |
There was a lock-down this week at the school my two daughters attend. My 14 year old was all cool about it, but my 11 year old was pretty scared, and said all the kids were jockeying for hiding spots in the classroom. Details weren't given during the lock-down announcement, so the kids and teachers didn't have much to go on, though my older daughter said there are different levels of lock-down, and this was a less severe, "no-in, no-out" lock-down. They have names for the different levels, but I forget.
A 17 year old student took a photo of himself with a rifle and posted it on Facebook along with a threatening message to another student. The lock-down happened until the police rounded him up at school, though he didn't have a gun at school. The police also raided the house where he took the photo and took several guns. The kid was charged and made the paper.
So... people are stupid even in Canada. :-(
Message edited by author 2013-01-18 10:22:29.
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01/18/2013 10:27:42 AM · #2 |
That really is stupid.....That boy needs to be beaten...well if he does any jail time he might be.
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01/18/2013 10:32:21 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
That really is stupid.....That boy needs to be beaten...well if he does any jail time he might be. |
This is Canada, they'll be no jail time for him, he's a minor. |
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01/18/2013 10:38:32 AM · #4 |
you dont have juvenile detention centers.....(it is jail but it is a far cry from adult jail)
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01/18/2013 10:43:28 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
you dont have juvenile detention centers.....(it is jail but it is a far cry from adult jail) |
We do, but those aren't offenses that will net you there. |
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01/18/2013 11:05:43 AM · #6 |
| Very sad that your daughters had to go through that, Slippy. Sad state of affairs. :-( |
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01/18/2013 11:23:49 AM · #7 |
Really? They needed a lock-down to detain one student? I'm hoping there is more to the story than that. A simple PA announcement - Joe Suspect, please come to the principle's office - would seem a lot less disruptive. Sometimes it seems like the more education people have, the dumber they get.
Slippy, IMO, you daughters should not have had to go through that. It also sounds like some training on how to protect yourself in a crisis would be in order - not sure it is a good idea to have students fighting each other (jockeying) over the "best" hiding places. |
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01/18/2013 11:37:29 AM · #8 |
Sorry to hear that. I hope your son (and daughter too of course) will be fine soon, having no negative effects on his/their well being.
I think it is hard to say whether a lock-down was in place or not. If the school doesn't respond that way and something serious occurs, they are blamed for it, but now the kids experience a stressful situation.
Message edited by author 2013-01-18 11:37:50.
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01/18/2013 11:43:36 AM · #9 |
So let me get this straight....a 17 year old posted a photo of himself holding a rifle. He also made threats to another student.
The school went in to a NO IN/NO OUT lockdown while the "perp" was IN THE SCHOOL? Ahhhh...good plan. |
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01/18/2013 12:00:30 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by dtremain:
Really? They needed a lock-down to detain one student? I'm hoping there is more to the story than that. A simple PA announcement - Joe Suspect, please come to the principle's office - would seem a lot less disruptive. Sometimes it seems like the more education people have, the dumber they get. |
Just say he was armed but didn't have the courage to go through with it.
You idea could have pushed him over the edge, his has to figure someone is on to him after an announcement.
I'm sure there's probably a better way other than a lock-down but definitely not your way.
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01/18/2013 12:00:37 PM · #11 |
This is just a really messed up situation for the students as well as the parents.
Even though it worked out in the end the parents have to be thinking of what COULD have happened.
sorry you had to go through this Strike. |
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01/18/2013 12:15:36 PM · #12 |
That's what the term SITTING DUCKS mean. So lock down the school with a possible gun carrying perp IN the school that is being locked down.
I know we're all talking in hindsight but IMO two male teachers should have walked in the class and right up to the student. At that point put him on the ground spread eagle with the two men on him until police arrived.
....deal with the lawyers in court BUT take down the suspect IMMEDIATLY....Will we ever learn?
Originally posted by nygold:
This is just a really messed up situation for the students as well as the parents.
Even though it worked out in the end the parents have to be thinking of what COULD have happened.
sorry you had to go through this Strike. |
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01/18/2013 12:28:40 PM · #13 |
Well, as they say..."It takes a community..." Slippy, you and your family are not alone, and I suspect that the community which you live will knit more tightly together after such an event and the doors of communication and appropriate action will open and be responded to. Perhaps spending more time with your younger daughter will help to reassure her that although we live in a world where guns and violent people exist...good people exist too and she has a strong family and friends who surround her and care about her as well.
To live in safety is one thing, but to live in fear...entirely another. |
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01/18/2013 12:34:21 PM · #14 |
The better way would have been for the principal to determine his class schedule, hand that over to the Swat Team Coordinator so he could place a sniper in the right position, then pick him off through his classroom window. Then only an overcrowded classroom of 45 kids and 1 teacher milking the system for her pension would have felt the terror, instead of the whole school.
Come on... the right solution is always in front of you! |
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01/18/2013 12:34:58 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by EL-ROI:
The better way would have been for the principal to determine his class schedule, hand that over to the Swat Team Coordinator so he could place a sniper in the right position, then pick him off through his classroom window. Then only an overcrowded classroom of 45 kids and 1 teacher milking the system for her pension would have felt the terror, instead of the whole school.
Come on... the right solution is always in front of you! |
Bingo.
The best defense is a better offense. |
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01/18/2013 12:39:48 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by EL-ROI:
The better way would have been for the principal to determine his class schedule, hand that over to the Swat Team Coordinator so he could place a sniper in the right position, then pick him off through his classroom window. Then only an overcrowded classroom of 45 kids and 1 teacher milking the system for her pension would have felt the terror, instead of the whole school.
Come on... the right solution is always in front of you! |
Bingo.
The best defense is a better offense. |
only in football.
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01/18/2013 01:03:07 PM · #17 |
| Schools should be out children's safe place - the more publicity we give the kids who are are threatening the more this will happen. It's sad when we have to send our precious kids off to a place where we never know what's going to happen .. hugs and more hugs to your daughters - both of them - sometimes kids don't show how they are really feeling and internalize it so extra hugs for the older girl as well. |
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01/18/2013 01:33:02 PM · #18 |
NO!!! Canada isn't allowed to have stupid people. I thought you shipped them all to the States. LOL
I have no issue with the kid taking the photo of himself with a firearm...but having a caption threatening someone is a bad thing. Glad nothing came of it.
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01/18/2013 01:41:30 PM · #19 |
| Sorry to hear that you kids had to go through this. Very troubling but I am glad they are safe. |
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01/18/2013 01:54:55 PM · #20 |
My younger daughter is an "old soul", and has always been much more in tune to the world around her than other kids her age. So we get more questions regarding mortality from her. The feelings and well-being of other people have always weighed heavily on her.
I was mostly gut-wrenched when she told me that she grabbed a couple of her friends who weren't very well hidden and stuffed them behind herself. That's the kind of sacrifice I don't want her to ever make.
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01/18/2013 02:58:09 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
you dont have juvenile detention centers.....(it is jail but it is a far cry from adult jail) |
We do, but those aren't offenses that will net you there. |
Wholly untrue and completely misleading. Gun offences are among the most serious, and whether this kid gets jail will depend on what he's convicted of and whether he as a record.
(I know the YCJA and the Criminal Justice System very well. It's my gig.) |
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01/18/2013 03:22:58 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by nygold:
Originally posted by dtremain:
Really? They needed a lock-down to detain one student? I'm hoping there is more to the story than that. A simple PA announcement - Joe Suspect, please come to the principle's office - would seem a lot less disruptive. Sometimes it seems like the more education people have, the dumber they get. |
Just say he was armed but didn't have the courage to go through with it.
You idea could have pushed him over the edge, his has to figure someone is on to him after an announcement.
I'm sure there's probably a better way other than a lock-down but definitely not your way. |
I could think of several other options within 5 minutes that would not require locking down the school, including intervention before suspect arrives at school. In addition, perhaps the school has a video security system that could be used to locate the individual within the building and determine if he/she was armed.
I suspect people in charge of things are more in love with drama and publicity than concerned with the actual safety of those in their charge.
I agree with kenskid - lawyers later - take out the perp NOW!
Taking out the suspect should be the #1 priority of every adult in the school - if the perp is stopped, the incident stops. By taking out the perp, I don't necessarily mean killing him/her - basically any method to disable / disarm / neutralize the perp using anything up through the level of threats / actions the perp has made / done. Only way the blame turns around to be on the adults in the school is if the incident is caused by school personnel, and even that should probably be handled after-the-fact.
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01/18/2013 06:08:06 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by frisca:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
you dont have juvenile detention centers.....(it is jail but it is a far cry from adult jail) |
We do, but those aren't offenses that will net you there. |
Wholly untrue and completely misleading. Gun offences are among the most serious, and whether this kid gets jail will depend on what he's convicted of and whether he as a record.
(I know the YCJA and the Criminal Justice System very well. It's my gig.) |
I realize that I have been removed from law enforcement for a very long time, but even with the changes in the law, I doubt that this young person would be convicted of an offence relating to unlawful use of a firearm.
As you well know, there can be a monumental amount of difference between the charges that the police initially charge the person with and what is eventually brought before the courts.
In this scenario, I do believe that the article stated that he was unlawfully in possession of a firearm, use of a firearm in the commission of an offence (which was not elaborated on) and threatening.
I could very well be wrong, and will defer to your expertise in the matter... but doubt that any jail time would be meted out in this instance, particularly if this is the young man's first offence and believe that the authorities would probably try to divert the offender out of the justice system and encourage his rehabilitation.
Ray
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01/18/2013 06:16:28 PM · #24 |
Want strange....read This
Ray |
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01/18/2013 08:35:01 PM · #25 |
Educating our children is NOT the government's job. It is the parents' job. IF they choose to give that responsibility over to the government (and they don't have to) or to a private business, then the parents should be able to feel completely comfortable that the person/entity in whom they put their children's care will be able to care for and protect them or they should be allowed to move the child to a place where they DO feel comfortable with the protection/education even if that is at a monetary cost to themselves.
This said, if my child were in the school where a student had posted a threat with a gun in any manner, I'd want to make sure that student was secured as soon as could be... to discuss exactly what his intents were... upon his arrival... or before his arrival.
Most kids will break down and say it was just a joke.
Jokes like this didn't happen in "my day", but I know with social media they way it is now, it's easier to say things we don't mean. Peer pressure is a viable thing.
Still... I think the student could have been detained upon his arrival... instead of shutting the whole school down and terrifying all of the other students and the teachers... and the children's parents.
If the student were already at school when the "threat" was reported, it seems that a simple check on the school computer could determine where that child was supposed to be... a person could be sent to get that child (with reinforcements even) and that would stop the madness.
Please! Can we not back away from all of this and inject some sense into the situations?
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