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05/03/2004 01:25:23 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by Harold1066:
...I`ve switched of my score for this week. I don`t wish to be clicking the update button and watch it keep going down :). |
Geez... I wish I'd thought of that. After the first few votes, I was at 7.5. I should have turned it off then for a few days of blissful ignorance. I'm down to 5.807- not bad, but I was excited at the prospect of finally cracking 7 in a challenge. Now I'm caught in the intense gravity well of that cursed update button. Must... resist ....dang! Click. |
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05/03/2004 01:29:08 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by kosmikkreeper:
Hehehehe... I'm fooling everybody with mine!! They all think I PS'd mine so they are giving me low scores for that!!! Moouaaaahahahahahah I fooled you all!! Give me 4.9 hehehehehehe and then see you jaw drop when you realized your misshap!!
It's an awsome shot. I just love it!! :-) |
I have a feeling the same is happening with mine, though most can tell what it is from the two comments I got but one thinks it was done in PS illegally. It isn't even close to being illegal.
Deannda
Can't wait to see your's kos |
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05/03/2004 01:32:26 PM · #53 |
| There's not too many DQ requests, so if people are voting according to the rules your scores should not be suffering for their perceived degree of post-processing ... |
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05/03/2004 01:38:22 PM · #54 |
IMO people generally don't appreciate abstract images. It is fairly easy to produce an abstract image, but very difficult to produce one that is APPEALING!
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05/03/2004 01:38:35 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by C_Steve_G:
Originally posted by moodville:
...people either love abstracts or hate them. Unrecognisable abstracts...are mostly like fingerpainting - fun to do but who really cares afterwards. So if your score is bad this week then chances are the voter(s) just dont much like abstracts... |
Judging by the two comments I received, "How is (the subject) abstract?" and, "I can tell what this is." I can see that some voters are placing as much emphasis on the last sentence in the challenge instructions as the first.
This is from the "Abstract Comment" thread last night:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
...The emphasis on the challenge is the first sentence: Is the picture you are looking at more about lines, shapes and colors than it is about any recognizable subject? In other words, you should see the lines, shapes, and colors, foremost. If you can recognize an object, it should be only secondary that you see it as such.
When I submitted this challenge description when they were collecting the big list of challenges, it was my intent to focus the challenge on shots that are "clearly abstract". There are so many shots on these types of sites where someone calls it an abstract, but it is first and foremost a picture of something you recognize.
But again, to me, clearly abstract is about seeing lines, shapes and colors as the primary subject of the photo... |
I guess I'll justify my entry with the above statement in mind. I'm happy. I hope to receive some constructive comments, as opposed to stating the obvious (and fulfilling the notion that you must comment on an image that you give a three or less.)
This AM, I've gotten a slight rise to 3.7xxx. This is surely my lowest scoring entry. Still, I welcome comments. Think "lines, shapes, colors..." |
To each his own. For me the second sentence is what makes the challenge different. All photos have lines, shapes and colors as elements but is the subject unrecognizable? I think the challenge requirement really is that it should be unrecognizable. It's been discussed whether abstracts are recognizable or not. I'll say it again... if it's recognizable as an object, it isn't abstract. At least for THIS challenge.
Your opinion my vary.
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05/03/2004 01:49:25 PM · #56 |
I think it might be useful for people to consider some ideas on how you can view/review abstract paintings in considering how to rate these.
There's an interesting description here (Questions to ask about abstracts), part of which I am reproducing here for your convenience.
Substitute Photo for Painting below.
As a viewer of abstract paintings, ask yourself the following questions:
ΓΆ€ΒΆ Am I trying to figure out what it looks like or represents rather than allowing something to emerge from what I see in front of me?
ΓΆ€ΒΆ What are the elements, colours, and textures of the painting?
ΓΆ€ΒΆ How do these interact with each other?
ΓΆ€ΒΆ What emotions do the painting evoke?
ΓΆ€ΒΆ What is the title of the painting and how is this influencing what I see?
ΓΆ€ΒΆ Have I allowed enough time to make a connection with painting?
Message edited by author 2004-05-03 13:50:29. |
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05/03/2004 02:05:36 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
... -What is the title of the painting and how is this influencing what I see?...
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Oh, I need a different title!
It's apparent that I have failed to meet the challenge. That's OK. I can take it, learn, and move on (to find some interesting rust!!!) |
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05/03/2004 02:28:05 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by bruchen:
To each his own. For me the second sentence is what makes the challenge different. All photos have lines, shapes and colors as elements but is the subject unrecognizable? I think the challenge requirement really is that it should be unrecognizable. It's been discussed whether abstracts are recognizable or not. I'll say it again... if it's recognizable as an object, it isn't abstract. At least for THIS challenge.
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this is how i am scoring this VERY Interesting challenge. the voting here is going to be more subjective but that is the nature of this challenge!
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05/03/2004 02:36:46 PM · #59 |
| There are a few images that sure I could guess at what item they were but in the long run it doesnt look exactly like that an item and still makes an interesting abstract look with either lines, shape, or color. From what I've read there seems to be some people who are actively and doggedly trying to work out what the item is first and then dismissing the photo after that as a failure to meet the challenge. (I can even envision people punching the air and screaming 'eureka' as they work it out). I think nowadays people are just too eager to find the negative than to take in the positive. Using the negative as criticism for the photographer to improve is great, but sometimes the negativity can be very destructive. |
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05/03/2004 02:40:10 PM · #60 |
oh gosh. i am not being too dogmatic about the "not recognizable" issue. i admit to spending a little time trying to figure out some of the entries but for the most part, if it is not immediately recognizable, i then move on to judge for likeability, line, color, form and photographic merit. there are a few that are clearly things and for those i give a lower score for "not meeting challenge."
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05/03/2004 02:46:04 PM · #61 |
OK, so abstracts are not my strong suit, and I have no dog in this hunt, but here is how I voted:
10s 2
9s 4
8s 11
7s 20
6s 58
5s 113
Average: approx 5.75
Key Criteria:
1) Did the photo/title make me think?
2) Did I enjoy it?
There is one 9 that probably should be a 10, and there are a few 5s that should definitely be lower, and that will get fixed as the week rolls on and I add a few comments, but, this was a fun challenge. There are some really cool images to be voted on.
Hope everyone else has as much fun as I did voting on this.
Thanks everyone.
Bill
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05/03/2004 02:46:13 PM · #62 |
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05/03/2004 02:50:50 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by jmlelii:
I hate this challenge |
Votes: 56
Avg Vote: 5.1964
Comments: 2
Updated: 05/03/04 02:48 pm
So do I.
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05/03/2004 02:57:31 PM · #64 |
I love abstract photography and have given out more high votes in this challenge than any other.
The submissions are generally excellent and I'll be starting my favourites folder with a few of these afterwards.
Great stuff
Steve |
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05/03/2004 03:34:54 PM · #65 |
For me, it's been live and learn. I'm getting a lower score than I usually get and I thought it was a pretty good shot. oh well... this one was more of a real "challenge" for me. I love abstract art, but I haven't done that much of it myself. I haven't had too many comments yet to let me know why people are voting on the lower side, but I figure it just doesn't appeal to everyone.
As for how I'm voting - aside from actually needing to look like an abstract, I'm voting high on anything that just pops off the screen - something with a wow factor. |
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05/03/2004 04:15:35 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by daisy77:
Originally posted by bruchen:
To each his own. For me the second sentence is what makes the challenge different. All photos have lines, shapes and colors as elements but is the subject unrecognizable? I think the challenge requirement really is that it should be unrecognizable. It's been discussed whether abstracts are recognizable or not. I'll say it again... if it's recognizable as an object, it isn't abstract. At least for THIS challenge.
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this is how i am scoring this VERY Interesting challenge. the voting here is going to be more subjective but that is the nature of this challenge! |
Me too...I actually commented on every single photo this time when I voted and there were quite a few "I can tell what this is" comments from me. I took the challenge instructions literally, I guess. People will probably be upset with me about it, but that's what my interpretation of the challenge instructions were this time around.
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05/03/2004 05:19:03 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by drgsoell:
I am only half way through voting/commenting on the "Abstract" challenge so have not seen my score yet.
I found my shot by accident and I really liked my entry in this challenge. I guess, since I like it so much, it's probably sitting at 4.2 or something.
Now I'm afraid to look.
drg |
Well, I looked. Aaaaarrrggg!!
Not as bad as I feared, but still not good:
Votes: 60
Score: 4.733
Comments: 1
I happen to like this shot a lot, so I guess I will just try to forgive all the barbarians who can't see how much of a genius I really am.
drg |
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05/03/2004 05:29:34 PM · #68 |
well if it's any consolation, i have entered a few challenges since joining in march and scored in the 4s in general for all of them. with this one so far, i am around 6.2 with 5 comments from 65 voters.
perhaps this is some sort of reckoning. either way, recognizing that much can change after day 1, i am pleased to not be below 5 again for the time being.
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05/03/2004 06:05:42 PM · #69 |
i got a 'i can tell what this is' comment. guess i interpreted the 'unrecognizable as an object' aspect of the challenge description in a different way.
the way i interpreted it was that if i took a photo of a hairbrush, full subject, then it is not an abstract (btw, my photo isn't of a hairbrush). if i focus in on just the bristles of the brush, then it is all about shapes, lines, colors and lighting. tada! it's an abstract. sure, if you study it long enough you will discern that it is part of a brush (i.e. the 'eureka' maneuver as described by moodville...lol...i loved that), but it isn't just a photo of a brush.
anyway, those are my thoughts and the criteria i will use to vote on this challenge.
:)
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05/03/2004 06:10:26 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by sher9204:
i got a 'i can tell what this is' comment. guess i interpreted the 'unrecognizable as an object' aspect of the challenge description in a different way.
the way i interpreted it was that if i took a photo of a hairbrush, full subject, then it is not an abstract (btw, my photo isn't of a hairbrush). if i focus in on just the bristles of the brush, then it is all about shapes, lines, colors and lighting. tada! it's an abstract. sure, if you study it long enough you will discern that it is part of a brush (i.e. the 'eureka' maneuver as described by moodville...lol...i loved that), but it isn't just a photo of a brush.
anyway, those are my thoughts and the criteria i will use to vote on this challenge.
:) |
I think that`s how the something new challenge is going to go, plenty of `I`ve seen this before` comments :(
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05/03/2004 06:28:07 PM · #71 |
Votes: 72
Avg Vote: 5.6528
Comments: 3
This is my first entry. I'm pleased with my votes so far. At one point it was at 5.8 something but it's held pretty steady at the 5.65 range. Of course, this is just the first day, I guess. I got some nice praise but no suggestions.
Next day update: so far so good, 101 votes, 5 comments, 5.66. I think I might be doing okay on this one because you really can't tell what it is unless you spend a bit of time with the image and make an educated guess. I've gotten five positive comments so far with no suggestions. The comments generally pertain to the colors and the abstract painting quality of the image.
Message edited by author 2004-05-04 14:23:38. |
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05/03/2004 06:45:06 PM · #72 |
My criteria for judging abstract has more to do with design sensibility then, "Can I tell what this is?" I did not approach this challenge as if I was making one of those kids' books where you see something in close-up and try to figure out what it is, then turn the page surprised to see what it actually is. To me that is more like clever trickery than abstract art. For instance, a painting can be abstract and still have a recognizable subject matter.
It didn't matter to me if I could tell what the subject was as long as the predominant element was the use of lines, planes, negative space, to make the visual statement. |
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05/03/2004 06:49:44 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
Me too...I actually commented on every single photo this time when I voted and there were quite a few "I can tell what this is" comments from me. I took the challenge instructions literally, I guess. People will probably be upset with me about it, but that's what my interpretation of the challenge instructions were this time around. |
Nah, I'm not upset with you, I can tell what it was too, but then again, I shot it, LOL! :) This challenge is a total learning experience for me, I'm not familier with abstract, not a big fan of it to start with and like I said before, threw something in just to see how it would fare.
Not too bad considering I totally expected brown ribbon scoring on this one.
Deannda |
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05/03/2004 07:04:06 PM · #74 |
If after 65 votes your shot still has 0 comments, does that mean:
a) it sucks so bad no one wants to tell you
b) no one understands it enough to bother with a comment
c) it's so perfect that no one can offer any advice or tips on how to improve (ROFLOL)?
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05/03/2004 07:06:44 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
If after 65 votes your shot still has 0 comments, does that mean:
a) it sucks so bad no one wants to tell you
b) no one understands it enough to bother with a comment
c) it's so perfect that no one can offer any advice or tips on how to improve (ROFLOL)? |
None of the above? Many people like myself do the commenting towards the end of the challenge.
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