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12/07/2012 03:09:57 PM · #27

Originally posted by blindjustice:

Sheep go to Heaven, Goats go to hell...

That's really a Baa-aa-aa-aad thing to say!

myqyl

Nikon D3100

12/07/2012 03:32:22 PM · #28

OK, let me see if I can get this puppy tossed into Rant...

I'm going to suggest why some might NOT attend the wedding (or want to shot it). This is not my opinion, just putting it out there for the sake of argument.

Let's assume you know two people that do something that you DO consider to be sinful... Very sinful... (Or extremely morally objectionable for the Atheists in the crowd). For the sake of discussion I will pick a very extreme case. Let's say they Barbecue puppies alive. They have recently won the legal right to BBQ puppies alive. Then they decide to have a ceremony to celebrate their desire to BBQ puppies together. They ask you to come to be the photographer for the event.

Do you take the job? Should you be FORCED to take the job?

Now I know this is a wild off the wall example and it certainly isn't how I feel. I also know that some of you are wondering "What would be the best lens for this?!"... Those folks are suppose to think of something they find objectionable.

I do know folks that truly, in their hearts, believe that gay marriage is an abomination before God. However misguided they may be, don't they have a right to decline the job? I mean really...

Just sayin'...

12/07/2012 03:37:07 PM · #29

Originally posted by myqyl:

Easy; yes, decline as you wish. They can do what they want [not in this case], I can do what I want.

12/07/2012 03:41:44 PM · #30

Regardless of how many religious places I've been, churches I've joined , times I've been baptized or mmmmooooved by the holy spirit I'm still convinced if you pretend to be a Christian, Muslim, Atheist, Pagan, Heathen, New Ager, Rastafarian, Hindu, Jew, Cults or whatever, to whichever one you meet.....they will all tell you,eventually that "you are saved".....so why not just be someone for everyone, any time you please and cover all the bases........ much more entertaining......

My experience is I can fake some better than others and quite a few of the members of various sects/churches/groups have just flat out let their jaws drop open and say....hmmmmm...ummmmmm NO. We don't want you.

Does one "look" like a certain religion? What about the stereotypes and the trouble THAT causes...

If I FEEL like going to "church" or a "religious/type/place".....it's usually because I feel more grateful at the time and want to express gratitude and appreciation and compassion. There is NOTHING one can do for me about the "afterlife" as I do not discriminate in certifiable telling them all they are liars.......what a bunch of arrogant _ucks.....if THEY think THEY know any better than the next. WE AREN'T SUPPOSED TO KNOW!!!! AND BE O>K>!!!! WITH THAT!!!!! IT'S SOOOOOO MUCH EASIER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One is NO BETTER THAN THE REST. Religion is like a car.....some like fast, some slow, some fiery, some safe, we all drive to one place, we're all gonna die and there ain't a jack ass out there that can change that, so WHO CARES what happens as long as we enjoy the ride.........

Religion and it's rule that have trickled down just keeps some people from humping in the street.......so we dont have to watch everyday....unless we know how to find it on the internet.

12/07/2012 03:44:10 PM · #31

Originally posted by HCvE:

Originally posted by myqyl:
OK, let me see if I can get this puppy tossed into Rant...

I'm going to suggest why some might NOT attend the wedding (or want to shot it). This is not my opinion, just putting it out there for the sake of argument.

Let's assume you know two people that do something that you DO consider to be sinful... Very sinful... (Or extremely morally objectionable for the Atheists in the crowd). For the sake of discussion I will pick a very extreme case. Let's say they Barbecue puppies alive. They have recently won the legal right to BBQ puppies alive. Then they decide to have a ceremony to celebrate their desire to BBQ puppies together. They ask you to come to be the photographer for the event.

Do you take the job? Should you be FORCED to take the job?

Now I know this is a wild off the wall example and it certainly isn't how I feel. I also know that some of you are wondering "What would be the best lens for this?!"... Those folks are suppose to think of something they find objectionable.

I do know folks that truly, in their hearts, believe that gay marriage is an abomination before God. However misguided they may be, don't they have a right to decline the job? I mean really...

Just sayin'...

Easy; yes, decline as you wish. They can do what they want [not in this case], I can do what I want.

12/07/2012 03:45:38 PM · #32

omg I should really proof read and learn to "push the right buttons" lolol

rooum

12/07/2012 03:46:43 PM · #33

Originally posted by LoVi:

Makes sense to me. I'm joining Vivian's church. The Church of Tyler Durden.

12/07/2012 03:50:28 PM · #34

there are freaky sects all over the world....and even very close to you....do YOU know what your neighbors think? and do you REALLY care? we eat veal barbecue.......puppy conjures up an image protected by people who want to protect it.....I am pretty sure there are people around who eat little dogs roasted on stick over fires.......maybe it tastes good...... but I'll tell you one thing If I ever go somewhere that serves it, I will never tell my friends......guess what!!!! I ate a puppy last night.....

we...humans have will that's about it.

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12/07/2012 03:51:59 PM · #35

I LIKE BRAD PITT!!!!!!!

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

12/07/2012 03:53:14 PM · #36

No time to post my opinion on the topic yet, but I heard there was some mighty fine bbq puppy up in here. Can I get a plate to go?

12/07/2012 03:55:12 PM · #37

Originally posted by myqyl:

Let's assume you know two people that do something that you DO consider to be sinful... Very sinful... (Or extremely morally objectionable for the Atheists in the crowd). For the sake of discussion I will pick a very extreme case. Let's say they Barbecue puppies alive. They have recently won the legal right to BBQ puppies alive. Then they decide to have a ceremony to celebrate their desire to BBQ puppies together. They ask you to come to be the photographer for the event.

Do you take the job? Should you be FORCED to take the job?

Not if they use Old Bay seasoning......

Seriously, I guess where some of this controversy surprises me has as much to do with attitude and perception as anything. I would assume that if I offered my services to the public at large that I may be asked to photograph an occasion that I may not approve of on principle........like a 64yo cult leader marrying some young (18yo) girl who looks scared out of her wits. How hard would it be to simply come up with any number of innocuous reasons to not take the job? I wouldn't feel obligated to express my disapproval as it could potentially affect my business if word got out that I was "too choosy" regardless of the reason. I'd not be free that date, or the equipment I have is scheduled for maintenance at that point, whatever.....

When you become a purveyor of a service to the public, you have to be prepared for someone trying to avail themselves of your services in a manner that you don't choose to accept. You don't have to be in their face about it. I would assume at this point in time in our society that if you are a wedding photog for hire, sooner or later a gay couple may ask you to shoot their wedding. Wouldn't it make more sense to decline for some reason that doesn't pertain to them? One thing I have always done any time I've had some portrait or wedding job to do is to set up a test shoot beforehand, and simply state that if either of us is unhappy with the shoot, we both move on, no harm no foul. How hard would it be to *not* do the job well, and say you aren't satisfied and decline the job?

Originally posted by myqyl:

I do know folks that truly, in their hearts, believe that gay marriage is an abomination before God. However misguided they may be, don't they have a right to decline the job? I mean really...

Just sayin'...

Well, that's what's popping up right and left in the courtrooms across the US right now. It seems that pointing that out as a reason is creating hassles. Why would you want to bring that down on yourself? I grew up in an environment that was heavily racist and sexist.......fortunately for me, I found it so shocking and abhorrent that I went the way of being particularly sensitive to people of all colors, genders, and cultures relative to the types of hassles they would encounter in my world simply because of their gender, race, or creed.

Most of my bias toward the church is based on my upbringing and so much of what people of my parents' generation did and justified in the name of their church. I mean, REALLY, you don't know what religious discrimination is 'til you see what old WASP-rot ridden Episcopalians are like! LOL!!!

To use God and the church to excuse nasty behavior is such a low thing to do IMNSHO.

12/07/2012 03:56:24 PM · #38

Originally posted by LoVi:

I LIKE BRAD PITT!!!!!!!

That's just SICK!!!!!

12/07/2012 03:58:12 PM · #39

religion and freedom of choice do not mix very well

Leo

Apple iPhone Xr

12/07/2012 04:00:26 PM · #40

Originally posted by LoVi:

Tastes like chicken :P

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12/07/2012 04:03:26 PM · #41

Originally posted by HCvE:

religion and freedom of choice do not mix very well

Yah, well.......that was kind of my whole question......

At what point do you say to yourself, well, my church's doctrine says X is wrong, but my neighbor, whom I've known for years and is a good guy, has done X for years and all the awful things that my "Book" has said will happen......hasn't, so maybe it isn't as bad as it's supposed to be? I guess it just bothers me when something's etched in stone. It always seems like the moment someone etches a rule in stone that the exception comes ambling down the pike.

nygold

Nikon D5000

12/07/2012 04:03:35 PM · #42

Originally posted by HCvE:

religion and freedom of choice do not mix very well

Religions don't mix very well either.

sjhuls

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12/07/2012 04:09:14 PM · #43

Originally posted by mike_311:

since nobody cares what anyone else believes, they just cant wait to tell you what they believe.

i'm going to save the energy typing it up :)

This pretty much sums up how I feel about politics and religion. I am a Mormon(or a memeber of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints as we prefer to be called) but that doesn't mean what you think it does, I could write a lengthy paragraph on how it would affect or not affect my decision, but it wouldn't change anyone's mind about anything. Not that I wouldn't love to answer any questions anyone would have on the subject just not in a forum. Feel free to PM me though.

Message edited by author 2012-12-07 16:11:10.

Kelli

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12/07/2012 04:09:54 PM · #44

Originally posted by blindjustice:

Sheep go to Heaven, Goats go to hell...

Let them eat Cake.

myqyl

Nikon D3100

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G DX VR

12/07/2012 04:11:17 PM · #45

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by HCvE:
religion and freedom of choice do not mix very well

Yah, well.......that was kind of my whole question......

At what point do you say to yourself, well, my church's doctrine says X is wrong, but my neighbor, whom I've known for years and is a good guy, has done X for years and all the awful things that my "Book" has said will happen......hasn't, so maybe it isn't as bad as it's supposed to be? I guess it just bothers me when something's etched in stone. It always seems like the moment someone etches a rule in stone that the exception comes ambling down the pike.

I agree... Stick in the mud fundamentalists make my teeth hurt... But don't they have a right to be a stick in the mud and to read their rules from a stone tablet as long as they can't apply those rules to you and I? We may not like it, but can't we be tolerant of the intolerant?

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12/07/2012 04:13:42 PM · #46

I must clarify something; freedom of choice was a bad choice of words for what I meant to say. I meant freedom to choose how you want to live your life and to think and believe whatever you want.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

12/07/2012 04:15:36 PM · #47

Originally posted by myqyl:

... But don't they have a right to be a stick in the mud and to read their rules from a stone tablet as long as they can't apply those rules to you and I?

Like a wedding photographer refusing to photograph your wedding?

myqyl

Nikon D3100

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12/07/2012 04:26:11 PM · #48

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by myqyl:
... But don't they have a right to be a stick in the mud and to read their rules from a stone tablet as long as they can't apply those rules to you and I?

Like a wedding photographer refusing to photograph your wedding?

If they didn't want the job for whatever reason I certainly wouldn't want them there... And several may have objected to mine since my wife and I are not the same race... (Well, we're both of the human race, but ethnicity is so hard to spell)... If a photographer said they didn't want the job because of that I'd say good riddance