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11/29/2012 02:56:07 PM · #351 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by vawendy:
I think it more that just "some" comments that don't have much content. Actually most comments don't have much content, but they're fun anyway. |
AFAIK, every time someone has wanted feedback on a particular image, they have received it. |
(I was being silly... :)
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11/29/2012 03:47:40 PM · #352 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by bhuge:
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by Dudski:
I have just renewed my membership, and traded more money for labour. I do so because I feel that this labour remains worth my money. On the other hand, and I think this is key in the discussion, that it seems as though others no longer do. |
THIS is the ONLY point that matters, and applies to every business out there. As long as you feel you are getting your money's worth, nothing else matters. If you do NOT feel you are getting your money's worth, find a place that will. We can do here what we do in life, and that is to vote with our wallets.
Personally, in return for unlimited technical and artistic support, camaraderie, a chance to learn from and hang out with extraordinary artists, travel around the world from the comfort of home, be challenged and/or inspired photographically several times a week, learn about new editing and shooting techniques, talk shop, get encouragement and support both professionally and personally, and get honest feedback and so many other things, I think $0.07 a day is a steal. What other place do you hang out at on a daily basis that has not raised its prices in 10 years? |
+10 billion
Especially the honest feedback part. That is almost impossible to get anywhere on the web. Sure some comments do not have much content, but overall the feedback here is amazing. |
In fact, I have to add that THIS particular business allows you to participate FOR FREE. We get an option to pay to play (more toys) or JUST PLAY without spending a penny. |
So, everyone should just STFU about things that could be better because some aspects of DPC are good? Are you serious?
If your city had a great library, but the trash service only happened once a month, despite repeated promises of improved, weekly service, you should just be grateful for the library or move?
DPC is nothing if not a community. I can't imagine being part of a community where the people who want the community to be better, suggest ways to improve it, are willing to work for those improvements (often for free) and are promised improvements by the community's leaders are simply told to pipe down because some parts of the community are great/free/unique.
Message edited by author 2012-11-29 15:54:36. |
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11/29/2012 03:49:56 PM · #353 |
PROACTIVE PROPOSAL - SELL this site to someone who will treat it as a BUSINESS and give it badly needed UPDATES, REFRESH the tired look, ADVERTIZE to get NEW MEMBERS etc. Make DPC a REAL COMPETITION for MANY, MANY NEW photo sites. Otherwise the SAME people will say the SAME things OVER and OVER again, like the music played on the SINKING Titanic.
Regardless of how this thread has started it finished in the same way as any of these threads before - status quo is good, $25 is not a lot of money to give away, let's not rock the boat etc while the ship is GOING DOWN. There have been numerous proactive comments in this thread but they are always drowned by the few individuals who have turned DPC into their lives. PHOTOGRAPHY IS in the back seat here. This is a social club for the selected few. Just read the feedback on most photos to see this. It is a rather sad state of affairs. |
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11/29/2012 04:32:11 PM · #354 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
So, everyone should just STFU about things that could be better because some aspects of DPC are good? Are you serious?
If your city had a great library, but the trash service only happened once a month, despite repeated promises of improved, weekly service, you should just be grateful for the library or move? |
I'm suggesting that not everyone here shares your view that the things that are "wrong" at DPC are that dire. I also find your analogy to trash removal to be flawed; nothing about the current situation at DPC has even the remotest potential to cause unsanitary, even lethal conditions. Such real world conditions simply do not apply to this situation. You can come to this "library" at any time of day or night, and except for an occasional glitch now and then, check out any book, enter any challenges, even enter without a library card.
ETA: you are SO right in that this is a community. And as such, no coding changes will affect that. It is the community members who need to imrpove.
Originally posted by MNet:
PROACTIVE PROPOSAL - SELL this site to someone who will treat it as a BUSINESS and give it badly needed UPDATES, REFRESH the tired look, ADVERTIZE to get NEW MEMBERS etc. Make DPC a REAL COMPETITION for MANY, MANY NEW photo sites. Otherwise the SAME people will say the SAME things OVER and OVER again, like the music played on the SINKING Titanic. |
Margaret, this is simply not going to happen, most especially on our schedule, nor because you type it in ALL CAPS. Stop suggesting it. You left here once, I assume for many of these reasons, yet you chose to come back, knowing that the same conditions continue, the same people are here. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Find a way to be happy here, or find a place that will make you happy.
Originally posted by MNet:
Regardless of how this thread has started it finished in the same way as any of these threads before - status quo is good, $25 is not a lot of money to give away, let's not rock the boat etc while the ship is GOING DOWN. There have been numerous proactive comments in this thread but they are always drowned by the few individuals who have turned DPC into their lives. PHOTOGRAPHY IS in the back seat here. This is a social club for the selected few. Just read the feedback on most photos to see this. It is a rather sad state of affairs. |
Again, this is your take on DPC, and not one universally shared. We get out of DPC what we put into it. And certainly, in that sense, it is like any community. I find your attitude towards comments highly confusing, in one breath denouncing their shallowness and in the next whining because they're not positive.
Yes, numerous "pro-active" suggestions have been made, clearly unlikely to happen at this time. How about offering proactive suggestions within the parameters of what is possible here, now, with what we have? Several threads have been started offering wonderful ways to be involved, participate, take more pictures, , which don't involve major changes involving everything from coding to marketing. Put this much effort into being a better member. Be the change you want.
Message edited by author 2012-11-29 17:01:33. |
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11/29/2012 04:32:17 PM · #355 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by bhuge:
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by Dudski:
I have just renewed my membership, and traded more money for labour. I do so because I feel that this labour remains worth my money. On the other hand, and I think this is key in the discussion, that it seems as though others no longer do. |
THIS is the ONLY point that matters, and applies to every business out there. As long as you feel you are getting your money's worth, nothing else matters. If you do NOT feel you are getting your money's worth, find a place that will. We can do here what we do in life, and that is to vote with our wallets.
Personally, in return for unlimited technical and artistic support, camaraderie, a chance to learn from and hang out with extraordinary artists, travel around the world from the comfort of home, be challenged and/or inspired photographically several times a week, learn about new editing and shooting techniques, talk shop, get encouragement and support both professionally and personally, and get honest feedback and so many other things, I think $0.07 a day is a steal. What other place do you hang out at on a daily basis that has not raised its prices in 10 years? |
+10 billion
Especially the honest feedback part. That is almost impossible to get anywhere on the web. Sure some comments do not have much content, but overall the feedback here is amazing. |
In fact, I have to add that THIS particular business allows you to participate FOR FREE. We get an option to pay to play (more toys) or JUST PLAY without spending a penny. |
So, everyone should just STFU about things that could be better because some aspects of DPC are good? Are you serious?
If your city had a great library, but the trash service only happened once a month, despite repeated promises of improved, weekly service, you should just be grateful for the library or move?
DPC is nothing if not a community. I can't imagine being part of a community where the people who want the community to be better, suggest ways to improve it, are willing to work for those improvements (often for free) and are promised improvements by the community's leaders are simply told to pipe down because some parts of the community are great/free/unique. |
I never said things shouldn't be improved or that people should STFU. My argument is that you get a lot for only $25. At such a cheap cost it doesn't surprise me that Langdon doesn't do more for a site that no longer interests him.
But with it the way it is now, if we want more out of the community, I think we need to add more to the community ourselves. Langdon most likely wont act unless it he somehow benefits from it. The site probably isn't a steady enough income for him to devote much to it. |
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11/29/2012 05:05:13 PM · #356 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by Spork99:
So, everyone should just STFU about things that could be better because some aspects of DPC are good? Are you serious?
If your city had a great library, but the trash service only happened once a month, despite repeated promises of improved, weekly service, you should just be grateful for the library or move? |
I'm suggesting that not everyone here shares your view that the things that are "wrong" at DPC are that dire. I also find your analogy to trash removal to be flawed; nothing about the current situation at DPC has even the remotest potential to cause unsanitary, even lethal conditions. Such real world conditions simply do not apply to this situation. You can come to this "library" at any time of day or night, and except for an occasional glitch now and then, check out any book, enter any challenges, even enter without a library card.
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So, DPC is perfect in your eyes? Or you simply don't care enough to suggest ways that it could be made better and/or raise your voice when the leaders don't keep their promises.
Every analogy is flawed, I could have used the water system, the power system or any number of services provided to members of a community. The fact is that improvements have been promised for other services on DPC than the "library" which you tout and those improvements have not happened. |
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11/29/2012 05:13:13 PM · #357 |
Originally posted by bhuge:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by bhuge:
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by Dudski:
I have just renewed my membership, and traded more money for labour. I do so because I feel that this labour remains worth my money. On the other hand, and I think this is key in the discussion, that it seems as though others no longer do. |
THIS is the ONLY point that matters, and applies to every business out there. As long as you feel you are getting your money's worth, nothing else matters. If you do NOT feel you are getting your money's worth, find a place that will. We can do here what we do in life, and that is to vote with our wallets.
Personally, in return for unlimited technical and artistic support, camaraderie, a chance to learn from and hang out with extraordinary artists, travel around the world from the comfort of home, be challenged and/or inspired photographically several times a week, learn about new editing and shooting techniques, talk shop, get encouragement and support both professionally and personally, and get honest feedback and so many other things, I think $0.07 a day is a steal. What other place do you hang out at on a daily basis that has not raised its prices in 10 years? |
+10 billion
Especially the honest feedback part. That is almost impossible to get anywhere on the web. Sure some comments do not have much content, but overall the feedback here is amazing. |
In fact, I have to add that THIS particular business allows you to participate FOR FREE. We get an option to pay to play (more toys) or JUST PLAY without spending a penny. |
So, everyone should just STFU about things that could be better because some aspects of DPC are good? Are you serious?
If your city had a great library, but the trash service only happened once a month, despite repeated promises of improved, weekly service, you should just be grateful for the library or move?
DPC is nothing if not a community. I can't imagine being part of a community where the people who want the community to be better, suggest ways to improve it, are willing to work for those improvements (often for free) and are promised improvements by the community's leaders are simply told to pipe down because some parts of the community are great/free/unique. |
I never said things shouldn't be improved or that people should STFU. My argument is that you get a lot for only $25. At such a cheap cost it doesn't surprise me that Langdon doesn't do more for a site that no longer interests him.
But with it the way it is now, if we want more out of the community, I think we need to add more to the community ourselves. Langdon most likely wont act unless it he somehow benefits from it. The site probably isn't a steady enough income for him to devote much to it. |
Then he should be honest about the situation and not make commitments he's not going to keep. If he's not able to keep the commitments he's already made, he should at least be honest about that too.
I never said that you don't get a lot for $25, but am I getting what I was promised? If I'm promised 500 gumballs for $1, but only get 350 gumballs, that's still a lot of gumballs, but not what I was promised.
The fact is that people are willing to step up and relieve Langdon by making (at least some of) the improvements to the site. From what I'm hearing, they're willing to either work to improve the community they care about for free or relieve him of the burden altogether by buying the site from him.
Message edited by author 2012-11-29 17:15:50. |
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11/29/2012 05:18:53 PM · #358 |
I have no idea why I am posting this as I am not vocal in the forums usually. I also participate on a very limited basis. Still I paid $40.00 to stay. Why? No one could ever say it's because I am part of the clique I hear referred to - probably because I don't participate in the forums and try to make that connection so that's on me. I also rarely join the side challenges which is another way to get to know people. You get back what you put in.
Here is what I do know. I joined about 1 month after getting my first camera that wasn't just for taking quick snap shots of my kids. Some of the feedback was hard to swallow (I was really sensitive to anything I perceived as negative and still struggle with that) but there were a few people who took their valuable time and helped me. I read up on the tutorials and read what was being posted. I read the settings photographers put in their comment boxes and learned that way as well. I got published in American Falconry and got a one woman show at a museum due to advice I got here and due to working hard at honing my skills that I learned here. (Due to life getting in the way I didn't build on that momentum but I am back in the saddle).
Then I got interested in a site where complete strangers would help out other members (often giving without posting) and loved that part of this site.
Since I have been a member there has been discord about the same issues that are in this thread but I am noticing a real difference this time that gives me more hope than ever that DP will continue - there are more posts from the positive people (you know who you are) about ways to improve this site without involving Langdon at this time. I can't prove what I am saying with graphs and stats - but I don't remember so many people saying - make the difference you can - vote more, comment more, enter more - ask people you know to join.
 JulietNN dropped a huge hint - conditions are going to remain the same for the foreseeable future and it's up to the members to make this site as good as it can be. Am I 100% pleased about things not changing? No - but not enough to take my 7 or 14 cents a day and leave. I have invited some people to join and I have made a commitment to support the ppl who are working hard to make a positive difference to this site by making a promise to myself that I will vote more often and comment more and I will update my portfolio which I haven't done in years. I will start tonight on the comments (and I hate leaving comments btw) I feel I owe it to the people who are working so hard to keep things alive.
Sorry for the length is this post - aren't you all glad I don't post more often?(grin) |
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11/29/2012 05:33:51 PM · #359 |
Originally posted by MNet:
Originally posted by ambaker:
Nothing happens, because it doesn't need to. We eventually realize that this is where our friends are, and that we really don't want to leave. Problem "solved". |
It is supposed to be a site for learning photography, not a social get together.
PS There is also money charged so there should be some responsibility from the owner to provide Quality of Service. |
I don't know about anyone else, but for less than 7 cents a day I feel I truly am getting value for my money.
I do realize that this is a photography site, but the social aspect has enabled me to visit fellow DPC members in the USA, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Canada... so socializing does have an added value factor.
Is the site perfect... nope... but then again, neither is anything else that I have or am likely to experience during my journey on this earth.
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11/29/2012 05:47:19 PM · #360 |
It's a paradox that this thread, full of gripes about lack of DPC participation have (so far) 359 posts in 9 days while the Numbers challenge only has 45 entries after 7 days. At least we have great participation somewhere!
And yes - I'm not entering so many challenges myself these days. But I will....some day....I think. |
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11/29/2012 05:59:55 PM · #361 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
So, DPC is perfect in your eyes? Or you simply don't care enough to suggest ways that it could be made better and/or raise your voice when the leaders don't keep their promises. |
ROFL!!! NOTHING is perfect :-)
Honestly "Spork", I choose my battles. Clearly, these "promises" (whichever they may be) are infinitely more important to you than they are to me, and represent some sort of monetary value to you, which they do not, to me. You do not think I care? Perhaps you have not been reading closely enough to see the suggestions I HAVE made, which are doable, right now, without further fuss or intervention from Langdon, and which would vastly improve the "community". To me, the value at DPC is not in the coding.
A a completely separate observation, for one who professes to value "community" as much as you say, it's interesting to note that you won't even share your first name. |
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11/29/2012 06:05:04 PM · #362 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
A a completely separate observation, for one who professes to value "community" as much as you say, it's interesting to note that you won't even share your first name. |
Maybe his real name is Spork? :)
Most people online don't believe my last name is Hugeback. Even spell check thinks I'm lying. |
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11/29/2012 06:05:10 PM · #363 |
Originally posted by TrollMan:
It's a paradox that this thread, full of gripes about lack of DPC participation have (so far) 359 posts in 9 days while the Numbers challenge only has 45 entries after 7 days. At least we have great participation somewhere!
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Ooooh, we need a Gripes Challenge... or maybe, given the season... a Grinch Challenge... Bah Humbug, y'all! |
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11/29/2012 06:09:41 PM · #364 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
... it's interesting to note that you won't even share your first name. |
I believe Sporks last name is Rind. "Mr. Spork Rind" |
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11/29/2012 06:11:10 PM · #365 |
Originally posted by TrollMan:
Originally posted by tanguera:
... it's interesting to note that you won't even share your first name. |
I believe Sporks last name is Rind. "Mr. Spork Rind" |
I thought his last name was Enbeans. |
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11/29/2012 06:12:51 PM · #366 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by TrollMan:
Originally posted by tanguera:
... it's interesting to note that you won't even share your first name. |
I believe Sporks last name is Rind. "Mr. Spork Rind" |
 I thought his last name was Enbeans. |
You sir get a blue ribbon comment award. |
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11/29/2012 06:15:57 PM · #367 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by TrollMan:
Originally posted by tanguera:
... it's interesting to note that you won't even share your first name. |
I believe Sporks last name is Rind. "Mr. Spork Rind" |
I thought his last name was Enbeans. |
Poor guy. He's soooo toast. |
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11/29/2012 06:18:21 PM · #368 |
Originally posted by bhuge:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by TrollMan:
Originally posted by tanguera:
... it's interesting to note that you won't even share your first name. |
I believe Sporks last name is Rind. "Mr. Spork Rind" |
I thought his last name was Enbeans. |
You sir get a blue ribbon comment award. |
YAY! ...and I did it with MINIMAL editing.
----------- ON TOPIC ----------
I see Spork's point and believe it is valid. Johanna's is valid as well, except if you agree with Spork, that you want things done that only Langdon can do, then discussing it is fair and appropriate. If you believe it is not that important and you really don't care enough to press Langdon to do anything, then you should probably just go on about your business of enjoying the site and leave this thread to those who are more in agreement with Spork. That's how I see it anyways. |
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11/29/2012 06:25:21 PM · #369 |
| Somehow I doubt anyone will approach Langdon about buying DPC. Complaining from the couch is much easier than doing. I have many times asked myself how he's been able to hang to this gig as long as he has. |
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11/29/2012 06:38:08 PM · #370 |
Originally posted by MNet:
PROACTIVE PROPOSAL - SELL this site to someone who will treat it as a BUSINESS and give it badly needed UPDATES, REFRESH the tired look, ADVERTIZE to get NEW MEMBERS etc. Make DPC a REAL COMPETITION for MANY, MANY NEW photo sites. |
For what reason? What's the motivation? Why on any level should Langdon remotely consider your thoughts? Because you harangue him repeatedly?
You seem to suggest that he either doesn't know what he's doing, doesn't treat the site properly, isn't doing much of anything right....
Hello? Where's your site? You know, the one YOU started ten years ago and still have a happy base even if it's running on autopilot.
You're so freakin' smart, YOU start and run that better site the way you know it should be done.
You do nothing but complain.....nothing. Why would anyone have the remotest interest in what you want. Especially the owner of a site that you constantly and resoundingly thrash.
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11/29/2012 06:45:47 PM · #371 |
One thing I love about this place is the endless supply of popcorn  |
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11/29/2012 06:46:41 PM · #372 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by MNet:
PROACTIVE PROPOSAL - SELL this site to someone who will treat it as a BUSINESS and give it badly needed UPDATES, REFRESH the tired look, ADVERTIZE to get NEW MEMBERS etc. Make DPC a REAL COMPETITION for MANY, MANY NEW photo sites. |
For what reason? What's the motivation? Why on any level should Langdon remotely consider your thoughts? Because you harangue him repeatedly?
You seem to suggest that he either doesn't know what he's doing, doesn't treat the site properly, isn't doing much of anything right....
Hello? Where's your site? You know, the one YOU started ten years ago and still have a happy base even if it's running on autopilot.
You're so freakin' smart, YOU start and run that better site the way you know it should be done.
You do nothing but complain.....nothing. Why would anyone have the remotest interest in what you want. Especially the owner of a site that you constantly and resoundingly thrash. |
The gripe is about who is tasked with sustaining this community.
This is planet DPC. No it is not the earth but it is a distinct community not unlike some bizarre multicolored frogs living on 17 tree tops in the Amazon. Once its gone, its gone.
For many, this is home. Some like to wander from home and others do not. Eventually though, everyone comes home for a visit or an extended stay. Like Pedro said the other day, there is peace in knowing that home is still there and the foundation is solid.
The cracks in the walls do not suggest the walls be replaced, they need some filler. No need to add a new poker room, just maybe rearrange the existing furniture every now and then. Nobody is expecting the landlord to move in but maybe it would be nice he say hello when he collects the rent.
There is a great deal here worth preserving and the anxiety exhibited in this thread provides indisputable testimony to that.
The diverse expressions of anxiety all are calling for the same outcome, are they not? |
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11/29/2012 06:48:20 PM · #373 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
To me, the value at DPC is not in the coding. |
Johanna....this is awesome!
It'd make a great signature!
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11/29/2012 06:56:49 PM · #374 |
My 2 cents...
Perhaps Langdon doesn't "fix" the site because he, unlike us, understands it ain't broke. This is not an enterprise, an oppurtunity or even a website. It's a community. People come, people go... It ebbs, it flows, it goes ever onward. The fastest way to "kill" this place is to try to lay a heavy hand on the tiller and start "stearing"... Just drift along and see where we wash up next...
Let it be... |
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11/29/2012 07:01:12 PM · #375 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
One thing I love about this place is the endless supply of popcorn |
It's the analogies that keep me coming back for more. We're a ship, a poker room (with langdon as landlord), and city library (with trash piling up outside).... where to next? |
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I thought his last name was Enbeans. 
