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11/02/2012 01:51:51 PM · #26 |
| Some people hand out one's because they think they are in direct competition with a particular photo, human nature is what it is and to think this doesn't happen is naive at best. Richard, no way that photo deserved a one, I thought it was a decent landscape, spoiled slightly by the over-sharpened trees at the front, would have got a seven or a six from me depending on my mood. |
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11/02/2012 02:02:26 PM · #27 |
Though I cannot explain the 1's and quite understand your confusion on that score (pun intended), I will offer an additional and slightly different perspective on the finish (okay but disappointing). One reason that it may not have fit the challenge as well as it could have for some voters could be that it's quite visually busy. My own entry suffered from the same defect (I just wish it had scored anywhere near where yours did :) ), and that fact was pointed out to me by a friend BEFORE I submitted. I decided to submit anyway. I got no 1's or 2's and only one 3 (so you see I CAN'T explain your low votes), but my entry simply did not say "silence" to enough voters. Look at the 5th place entry (which is also a landscape) - three 1's and two 2's, the same total of 1's and 2's that you got. I gave it an 8 and yours a 7 - I did find it quieter visually than yours for a number of reasons: the scene is simpler (has fewer different elements), the mist/low-lying clouds are much more prominent and soften it, and the conversion to black and white removes the busyness of the color that Denielle alludes to. Anyway, not really a response to your original question, but just some random thoughts that are, hopefully, sort of on topic :)
Oh, and I also think there are a few voters who consider landscapes shoehorns in about 99% of the challenges and are merciless in saying this with their votes. This is not fair from your perspective or from mine, but you are not going to change it so you might as well stop trying LOL Most of the best photographers here at DPC have the same problem, just not with landscapes; they have to contend with their "not a photograph" or "stock photo" or "too HDR" or "blurry" or "black and white" haters. You are in very good company.
ETA "(which is also a landscape)" for clarity
Message edited by author 2012-11-02 14:12:37. |
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11/02/2012 02:07:38 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Cory:
As for visiting your gallery? You can bet on it, only a matter of time, actually I'm in Denver for the week of the 12th, but I don't think I'll be able to make it that way. Moving back soon enough though, so it shouldn't be long. Actually, I want to have a long conversation with you about the business, but I'm going to save that for a time when I can buy you a drink, over which we can visit. ;) |
Great! I'll look forward to your eventual visit. Alpenglow Images & Accents is open year-round. |
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11/02/2012 02:15:21 PM · #29 |
Thanks  jagar and  nam. I appreciate your comments. I've got to remember to dumb down my images for competition at DPC, as long as 800 pixels is the constraint. I'm pretty sure the problem with what is perceived as oversharpening and the busy-ness comes from postprocessing on a big monitor to my satisfaction and then resizing to a postage stamp size. |
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11/02/2012 02:22:59 PM · #30 |
Consider yourself lucky that I only used 5 of my ghost accounts to vote 1s on your photo. It could have been much worse.
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11/02/2012 02:24:25 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Consider yourself lucky that I only used 5 of my ghost accounts to vote 1s on your photo. It could have been much worse. |
I appreciate your restraint. |
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11/02/2012 02:28:11 PM · #32 |
I feel your pain..i thought mine would do better as well...guess we have to learn to conform to the DPC likes more than anything else if we're going to do good on here...
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11/02/2012 02:32:55 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by wizardry:
I feel your pain..i thought mine would do better as well...guess we have to learn to conform to the DPC likes more than anything else if we're going to do good on here... |
"Adapt or five." ®Slippy
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11/02/2012 05:34:40 PM · #34 |
 This one got 7 1s in the Disassembled Objects challenge.
The message I took was unless the image is potentially too edgy, there is nothing you can learn from a 1 score unless they leave a message. It might be any reason or no reason at all. Shrug and move on. |
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11/03/2012 02:39:16 AM · #35 |
This one got 3 1's for the Magnifying Glass challenge. I wasn't expecting 9's and 10's, but the 1's seemed a bit much. Especially since they cost me a ribbon.
No way you should have gotten the 1's for that image either. Hard to justify a DNMC in a challenge with such an abstract subject.
Message edited by author 2012-11-03 02:41:40. |
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11/03/2012 02:52:41 AM · #36 |
| Has anyone ever suggested to make a small tweak to the voting system and for instance make it a scale of 3-10 instead of 1-10? It looks like 1-2 votes are mostly done with bad intent and harm a decent score. By raising the lowest score the damage is limited somewhat but still a clear sign of dislike of a picture. Just a thought... |
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11/03/2012 03:17:32 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by HCvE:
Has anyone ever suggested to make a small tweak to the voting system... blah ...lowest score the damage is limited somewhat but still... blah ....of dislike of a picture. Just a thought... |
someone please post the dead horse icon here |
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11/03/2012 03:51:55 AM · #38 |
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11/03/2012 03:52:10 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by h2:
Originally posted by HCvE:
Has anyone ever suggested to make a small tweak to the voting system... blah ...lowest score the damage is limited somewhat but still... blah ....of dislike of a picture. Just a thought... |
someone please post the dead horse icon here |
Lol |
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11/03/2012 04:04:16 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
My placement was okay and the comments on my image were great and much appreciated. My realistic expectations on this image were higher. I guess I don't understand the cluster of five outlying votes of "1". Is there some major flaw or DNMC aspect to which I am blind?
Suggestions for improvement would be welcomed. |
Getting back to the OP, no idea on the 4s and below. I personally liked the image, thought it met the challenge well... Just didn't "wow" me enough to break above a 7... |
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11/03/2012 04:58:18 AM · #41 |
It's a noisy picture. I think this addresses the definition of noise, which is, at best, contextual.
When dpc folk refer to noise in photographs it is very often a reference to artifacts created through electronic leakage within the sensor. The term thus used means, roughly speaking, 'parts of the signal that are not relevant to the intended message' or 'recorded data extraneous to that which was sought'.
Ain't no noise like that in Richard Hahn photos.
The noise that I'm talking about is that same that students are talking about when they all put their hands over their ears as the teacher walks into the room. 'Your tie is very loud, sir', they explain, because they are uproariously funny as I'm sure you agree.
So your picture, which is a beautiful and faithfully reproduced landscape in the Hahnian tradition, while it represents a majestic and still moment far from the madding crowds, is nevertheless a noisy picture. Dark sky, light sky, bright clouds, trees, snow, things... A picture of zero loudness would be textureless 18% grey. While the content of your picture depicts and represents a silent place and moment, the pictorial qualities are not quiet.
Another way of saying all that might be to say that the eye is busy, as opposed to, say, Judi's ribbon winner where the eye doesn't have to dance around much.
I myself was ripping out a room - with wrecking bar, hammer, dust, sweat and tears - when I uncovered the wallpaper which revealed that the space had been a child's bedroom about thirty or forty years ago, and I was struck by a little moment of meditative contemplation amidst the noise and haste. So I took a picture, left the camera behind and entered another that I had taken with the iphone. Does this communicate silence to the viewer? No sir, and I have the brown ribbon to prove it.
In short, your picture is by no means silent in terms of its pictorial elements. As such the voters have done ok, although I doubt they would have rewarded the 18% grey. As for five 1s, one can only hope that they have been traced back through the software and reported to the Thought Police. |
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11/03/2012 02:22:16 PM · #42 |
i didn't read the whole thread, but did look at your photo.
how do you see the lack of noise ?
and so then there is the ' challenge ' of taking a photo that SPEAKS ( pun intended ) the theme, not only to a T, but is also photographically exceptional...
a voter can't hear what you were photographing - for this challenge. so, how do you think you actually met the challenge ?
the photo, well, it's probably better viewed in the context you envision ( large print for instance ), than trying to force its' relevance to the majority.
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11/03/2012 02:48:14 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by soup:
i didn't read the whole thread, but did look at your photo.
how do you see the lack of noise ?
and so then there is the ' challenge ' of taking a photo that SPEAKS ( pun intended ) the theme, not only to a T, but is also photographically exceptional...
a voter can't hear what you were photographing - for this challenge. so, how do you think you actually met the challenge ?
the photo, well, it's probably better viewed in the context you envision ( large print for instance ), than trying to force its' relevance to the majority. |
There are no elements in the scene which make any noise. The evidence of no wind is the newly fallen snow still poised on the pine needles. No people. No animals. No cars. It was a silent environment. I do understand that not everyone has experienced the serenity of the wilderness. |
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11/03/2012 03:11:14 PM · #44 |
Richard, your work is always lovely. Sometimes it fits the challenge dead on. Other times, not so much. This in no way detracts from the quality of the image. From a personal perspective, I feel that landscapes in general are overused in challenges. They tend to do well because they're beautiful, and everyone can relate to natural beauty, especially when done well. But when a challenge calls for some degree of creativity, landscapes (in general) may not do as well. To be specific about your entry, I do not think it's your best work. To me, it is a lovely scene but lacks a main subject, even though the tree on the left dominates the image.
Humans are pattern-seeking machines, so it's only natural that you/we look for a pattern in voting (and everywhere else). We all get 1s. We all want to know why, but will never learn so. To seek a reason only leads to insanity and paranoia. No one is targeting you or anyone else. I've had a spate of mid-scoring images which I felt deserved better, but didn't. Let it go. Move on. Take more beautiful pictures. |
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11/03/2012 03:36:03 PM · #45 |
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11/03/2012 03:39:14 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Richard, your work is always lovely. Sometimes it fits the challenge dead on. Other times, not so much. This in no way detracts from the quality of the image. From a personal perspective, I feel that landscapes in general are overused in challenges. They tend to do well because they're beautiful, and everyone can relate to natural beauty, especially when done well. But when a challenge calls for some degree of creativity, landscapes (in general) may not do as well. To be specific about your entry, I do not think it's your best work. To me, it is a lovely scene but lacks a main subject, even though the tree on the left dominates the image.
Humans are pattern-seeking machines, so it's only natural that you/we look for a pattern in voting (and everywhere else). We all get 1s. We all want to know why, but will never learn so. To seek a reason only leads to insanity and paranoia. No one is targeting you or anyone else. I've had a spate of mid-scoring images which I felt deserved better, but didn't. Let it go. Move on. Take more beautiful pictures. |
tanguera, thanks for your comments. Much appreciated. After the year I've had with natural disasters and health problems, I'm just grateful I can be out taking photos of anything.
I'm sure those who cast the five votes of "1" meant no harm. ;-) |
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11/03/2012 04:51:51 PM · #47 |
This one got 34 1's. Is that a record? |
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11/03/2012 04:59:32 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by pixelpig:
This one got 34 1's. Is that a record? |
65 1's for this... |
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11/03/2012 05:23:43 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
This one got 34 1's. Is that a record? |
65 1's for this... |
238 |
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11/03/2012 05:35:49 PM · #50 |
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