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08/10/2012 02:57:07 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Get it right, people! He didnt ruin the wedding. He ruined the wedding memories. Obviously these poor people are experiencing temporary amnesia, that only money can rectify.
Pooor things.... :,( |
Hi Vawendy, 1 photographer is just not enough to capture all wedding memories... It is not surprisingly to hear there are some missing shots. IMO..
Just that, 300k is just too much, perhaps the client could ask for some discount... but not for 300k..
Nelson Tang is lucky enough as there are so many ppl fight for him. There are more photographers who suffer the same, but just no one knows the issues..
Message edited by author 2012-08-10 02:59:39. |
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08/10/2012 02:58:44 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by ccting:
I think those lawyers who are willing to help him, will get extremely famous, and get more business in future.. Unfortunately, i am not a lawyer.. |
Hi  ccting, welcome to DPC, what sort of photography are you into? |
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08/10/2012 03:08:50 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by ccting:
I think those lawyers who are willing to help him, will get extremely famous, and get more business in future.. Unfortunately, i am not a lawyer.. |
Hi ccting, welcome to DPC, what sort of photography are you into? |
Well, i am so ashame of myself to answer this question. My answer would be, I do record and not photog.
Currently i am helping the poorest to record their weddings, and the important events without any cent charged. I also involved in NILMDTS "recording".
I just know the basic composition using Gestalt principles & DS (math & Geometry), lighting, strobist, posing... LOL..
Just more as a extreme junior hobbyst. |
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08/10/2012 03:14:06 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by ccting:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by ccting:
I think those lawyers who are willing to help him, will get extremely famous, and get more business in future.. Unfortunately, i am not a lawyer.. |
Hi ccting, welcome to DPC, what sort of photography are you into? |
Well, i am so ashame of myself to answer this question. My answer would be, I do record and not photog.
Currently i am helping the poorest to record their weddings, and the important events without any cent charged. I also involved in NILMDTS "recording".
I just know the basic composition using Gestalt principles & DS (math & Geometry), lighting, strobist, posing... LOL..
Just more as a extreme junior hobbyst. |
No need to be ashamed!
Especially with your involvement with the NILMDTS organization... Good on you. Besides you sound like you know what you're talking about..
Well, feel free to hang about the forums, there are more than a few folks who just mill about in the forums and don't shoot or enter.. My advice though, is that if you have a digital camera of any sort, set the date and time, and think about joining us for some shooting - there's no doubt it would be fun and it very well could translate out to some improvement in your primary work...
FYI, there are a couple other NILMDTS folks around here..
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08/10/2012 03:18:46 AM · #30 |
For those not "in the know": NILMDTS = https://www.nowilaymedowntosleep.org
Not me, of course. I knew. pffft. |
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08/15/2012 04:11:33 PM · #31 |
| Just care to don\'t make som of the biggest wedding mistakes about photographer :) take care! |
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08/15/2012 05:52:03 PM · #32 |
I get the feeling that this guy may not be an official lawyer. If he was sending the photographer a letter it should have been more professional. Not to mention what about the time the photographer has in to it? The travel, equipment, time. Why on earth would the photographer not get to keep any of that money?
Also is it just me or every time the guy asks for money he gives a different amount?
First it's $3800 + $15k, then it's $20k plus $50k lawyers fees, then $300k or more. WTF!!! I would counter sue the guy for harassment.
If it were me, I would find a lawyer, tell them the situation and then have him take me to court. I would also ask that he pay all my attorney fees, and court costs.
Plain and simple....
Summary of my mind, BRING IT ON!!!
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08/15/2012 06:03:12 PM · #33 |
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08/15/2012 06:13:46 PM · #34 |
it's too bad all we have is the response from the photographer. I am interested to know the full allegation against him. |
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08/15/2012 06:30:17 PM · #35 |
Thanks for the consolidated info. I like what Gary Fong has to say usually, but almost ten minutes of his saying "uhhh" several times a sentence just drives me nuts!
Oh wait!
I'm already nuts.
Nevermind.
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08/15/2012 06:35:11 PM · #36 |
That's the defendant's RESPONSE: what we really would need to see is the papers filed by the plaintiff. This response only refers to the claims (and there seem to be many) by paragraph number. Defendant is denying "the allegations contained in paragraph 5" etc etc. Doesn't tell us a lot. They only thing we DO learn is that there wasn't a written contract, and that defendant claims the work took place over a period of 3 days, where plaintiff claims it was limited to the day of the wedding. According to defendant, this all happened per a "verbal agreement" with the bride.
That's horrible business practice, of course...
R. |
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08/15/2012 08:42:53 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
That's the defendant's RESPONSE: what we really would need to see is the papers filed by the plaintiff. This response only refers to the claims (and there seem to be many) by paragraph number. Defendant is denying "the allegations contained in paragraph 5" etc etc. Doesn't tell us a lot. They only thing we DO learn is that there wasn't a written contract, and that defendant claims the work took place over a period of 3 days, where plaintiff claims it was limited to the day of the wedding. According to defendant, this all happened per a "verbal agreement" with the bride.
That's horrible business practice, of course...
R. |
First off- Is this real? are the names changed or is it really the case of POON v. TANG?!?!
Assuming its legit, you can glean a significant amount of information from answers and special defenses, but Robert is correct, there is much we do not know because this is not the "writ" or "complaint" that starts the action. Robert is also correct, as well about pointing out the mistake in
business practice in not having a written contract. There are legal principles, especially the "statute of frauds" which deals with bigger contracts and the inability to bring suit unless there is a written contract. if you want to fall asleep. (Look it up, read about it, commence sleep CT statute of Frauds)
There appears to be all types of allegations going on, from contract to simple negligence (ultimately amounting to quasi-professional malpractice.)I obviously am not admitted in Washington State, but many principles are general, actions similar- and this is not typical)
What most people might not understand is that most "defense" of claims is paid for by the tortfeasor or contract breacher's insurance carrier, who is for most lawsuits, the pockets behind payment and the "defendant calling the shots." The defendant is represented here, but there is no insurance, and that can make it expensive. Usually it is not worth it for a plaintiff to commence an action without the defendant having insurance- a non-lawyer plaintiff would have to fork over a retainer or convince a lawyer its a legitimate claim)There are actions that could be taken against those who bring frivolous lawsuits- usually requiring that the underlying case be tossed out before such an action could commence. And in the US, the loser does not pay the other winners attorneys fees- only in small claims, foreclosures and cases with actual contracts that stipulate such.
This is not a typical lawsuit, its a vindictive action it appears, and just so all of you know, the "settlement" demand numbers, or rather, the value of the case is amorphous and is determined at a later date by the parties, a judge, mediator, arbitrator or, jury. If you don't like this, take jury duty seriously, get on a jury- be part of one of the most important facets of democracy. |
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08/15/2012 08:57:35 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
First off- Is this real? are the names changed or is it really the case of POON v. TANG?!?!
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How ever did I miss that?!? LOL... Nice one. ;) |
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08/15/2012 09:42:12 PM · #39 |
"like"
Originally posted by LydiaToo:
Thanks for the consolidated info. I like what Gary Fong has to say usually, but almost ten minutes of his saying "uhhh" several times a sentence just drives me nuts!
Oh wait!
I'm already nuts.
Nevermind. |
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10/30/2012 03:41:17 PM · #40 |
| no updates in this case of poon vs. tang? |
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10/30/2012 05:18:32 PM · #41 |
oh wow...I missed that as well....really???? How could that be??
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10/30/2012 11:58:38 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
This is not a typical lawsuit, its a vindictive action it appears... |
While I do appreciate the fact that you qualified your statement with "It appears", on what exactly do you base this comment... or is this merely a supposition on your part.
Ray |
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10/31/2012 12:45:54 AM · #43 |
...And yet another reason I DON'T shoot weddings anymore... Thank God I have a hubs to put food on the table. Legal papers, only as good as the lawyer you pay for to defend them, if your up against some one with no limits to $$$ your gonna loose regardless!! In the USA it's the dude with the $$$ that wins EVERY time...
Long and crazy story, but I got thrown against a cement wall when I stepped in front of a crazy guy who was abuseing a store clerk, (physicaly twisting her arm damn near off) ended up in hospital, Police didn't arrest crazy guy because his wifey n spoiled child said I hurt him, and it was just me and the lady who was being hurt witness the thing. So cops said it's a wash, two against two EVEN though I did NOT know crazy guy nore his family... Any howwww went to Tolbert Beedle and Mustgrave (yeah you've seen their adds) I didn't have enough money for them and crazy guy did, sooo guess who didn't even get her hospital bill paid by a bully who should've been in jail... Yep totaly true story, no embelishments in fact left lots of "fun" details out... |
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10/31/2012 02:47:15 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
While I do appreciate the fact that you qualified your statement with "It appears", on what exactly do you base this comment... or is this merely a supposition on your part. |
Ray, did you read the original link? I come from a family of lawyers and I have never seen such a clear cut case of lawyerly bullying outside the family dinner table. I wish do the gods of justice the photographer had the cash to hire a top notch legal mind, because the guy who filed this lawsuit should have his licence to practice law removed, as well as the pound of flesh closest to his heart. |
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10/31/2012 02:50:04 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
While I do appreciate the fact that you qualified your statement with "It appears", on what exactly do you base this comment... or is this merely a supposition on your part. |
Ray, did you read the original link? I come from a family of lawyers and I have never seen such a clear cut case of lawyerly bullying outside the family dinner table. I wish do the gods of justice the photographer had the cash to hire a top notch legal mind, because the guy who filed this lawsuit should have his licence to practice law removed, as well as the pound of flesh closest to his heart. |
<3 this response. |
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