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 10/26/2012 03:54:15 PM · #51
And Hey! You kids! Get off my lawn!
 10/26/2012 03:54:55 PM · #52
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Or, think about this--what if the challenge description did not show on the voting page? What if the description was used only to inspire the photogs' creative energy?

So ...... everything is a free study?


Heh. Gotta admit, that sounds pretty much exactly like a free-study. No, we need the voters to actually be MORE harsh, not less.


So, if the penalty for not following the challenge description would be DQ, with the objective of harsh voting, then the challenge descriptions would have to be very precise. Like...Photograph one rock as though it were a live pet animal, & clearly the subject of your photo. The rock shall be a real rock, no less than 1 lb in weight, no more than 5 lbs. Your rock may not be part of a group of rocks, it may not be attached to a larger rock...

And no more of those bleeding-heart liberal Free Study challenges! "D


Its really great that we are tightening up the rules, becoming harsher voters, really putting the fun back into this photography hobby.
 10/26/2012 03:56:47 PM · #53
Originally posted by pixelpig:
If the voting scale added one option DNMC, and
if an entry received a minimum of 3 DNMC votes
it would be DQd

would you go for that?
How many comps would get DQd for that reason, do you think?


Love the idea but I'd go with 10 DNMC votes as well.

Message edited by author 2012-10-26 15:57:14.
 10/26/2012 03:57:46 PM · #54
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Its really great that we are tightening up the rules, becoming harsher voters, really putting the fun back into this photography hobby.

LOL - as if any changes would actually come about. ;-) Just another discussion to rile everyone up for nothing.
 10/26/2012 03:58:43 PM · #55
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by vawendy:
All of posthumous's shots would be DQd

etc.


well, that would help my voting average.


hehe! I wondered if you'd notice this. :)
 10/26/2012 03:59:35 PM · #56
Well, not meeting the challenge has been explicitly eliminated from the criteria for determining a DQ since the site's inception, and I highly anticipate no changes in that regard.
 10/26/2012 04:02:26 PM · #57
If the rules get too tight, it'll be like Cinderella's glass slipper. Only one photo will perfectly meet the challenge description & rules. Everyone else will be DQd.

Tighter rules = a tight group of rule-followers. Does this describe photographers?

Message edited by author 2012-10-26 16:04:23.
 10/26/2012 04:09:55 PM · #58
It is interesting to point out ribbons that were technical dnmc's.

But perhaps a select group of individuals should decide dnmc's from now on , and then, this is the punishment.dnmc punishment
 10/26/2012 04:11:50 PM · #59
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Its really great that we are tightening up the rules, becoming harsher voters, really putting the fun back into this photography hobby.

LOL - as if any changes would actually come about. ;-) Just another discussion to rile everyone up for nothing.


Hush you... Trouble maker. ;)
 10/26/2012 04:13:37 PM · #60
Originally posted by blindjustice:
It is interesting to point out ribbons that were technical dnmc's.

But perhaps a select group of individuals should decide dnmc's from now on , and then, this is the punishment.dnmc punishment


Yes, good idea, but let's use water balloons instead, so that it looks less like hamburger, and more like this:

10/26/2012 04:20:12 PM · #61
DPC already has reasonable methods of punishment we could apply to DNMCs.

10/26/2012 07:44:05 PM · #62
Challenge descriptions or challenge restrictions? More like a challenge launching pad. Some folks go straight and rigid, as if high on a little blue pill, others not so much. All over the place.
 10/26/2012 07:47:09 PM · #63
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Challenge descriptions or challenge restrictions? More like a challenge launching pad. Some folks go straight and rigid, as if high on a little blue pill, others not so much. All over the place.


Funny, the little blue ones always seemed to have the opposite effect on me. ;)
 10/26/2012 07:49:02 PM · #64
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Challenge descriptions or challenge restrictions? More like a challenge launching pad. Some folks go straight and rigid, as if high on a little blue pill, others not so much. All over the place.


Funny, the little blue ones always seemed to have the opposite effect on me. ;)


Errrrrrrrr... are you referring to the "young man's" blue ones or the "old geezers" blue one... they are not the same you know. :O)

Ray
 10/26/2012 08:00:56 PM · #65
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Challenge descriptions or challenge restrictions? More like a challenge launching pad. Some folks go straight and rigid, as if high on a little blue pill, others not so much. All over the place.


Funny, the little blue ones always seemed to have the opposite effect on me. ;)


Errrrrrrrr... are you referring to the "young man's" blue ones or the "old geezers" blue one... they are not the same you know. :O)

Ray


Ah.... no wonder I didnt understand the little blue reference...
 10/26/2012 08:11:46 PM · #66
if you feel the urge to dmnc entries for more than four hours, self dq yourself...
 10/26/2012 08:12:23 PM · #67
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Challenge descriptions or challenge restrictions? More like a challenge launching pad. Some folks go straight and rigid, as if high on a little blue pill, others not so much. All over the place.


Funny, the little blue ones always seemed to have the opposite effect on me. ;)


Errrrrrrrr... are you referring to the "young man's" blue ones or the "old geezers" blue one... they are not the same you know. :O)

Ray


I was referring to what my mother always called "Mommy's little helpers"... 10mg Valium. I suppose Viagra is blue as well, although that wasn't what crossed my mind. :)
 10/26/2012 10:42:00 PM · #68
Much of the problem is that the challenge descriptions are nearly always poorly written. Another dead horse.

In recent examples even the challenge titles have been particularly misleading. Pet Rock? Why call the challenge pet rock, when it's actually pet inanimate object? Maybe not as catchy, but it would've spared Wendy and others a lot of undeserved low votes.
 10/26/2012 11:24:20 PM · #69
When there is a challenge description I think it needs to be taken into account but I just noticed that only one of the current challenges even has a description and maybe that is a good thing. There only needs to be a connection to the challenge title giving more leeway for individual interpretation.
10/27/2012 06:02:17 AM · #70
I think there's just a bit of annoyance at some ppl for bending the rules or topics shall we say, like corys mask/non mask

I didn't enter but if I'd done my shot ignoring the possibility of a mask and then one came third if be annoyed

Theres one in voting at the mo that skirts very close to this its a beautiful picture but the description says no mirrors, and I'll leave it there

I guess we all adhere or we all interpret 'read as ignore' the challenge suggestion

I think voters generally do vote quite literally apparently my Beatles shot got hit hard because the quote was float down stream, and I'd photographed a river flowing down stream, so got low balled for it not being an actual stream, which I find incredulous but I guess a lot of voters English isn't their first language.

When I first got here I was a dnmc Stasi but I've mellowed if it's a blatant shoe horn I'll mark it down but it's rare I throw out any ones,
 10/27/2012 06:42:04 AM · #71
There are also different interpretations of the challenge topics.
Some choose to go out of the box which I find creative at times.
For example the person that posted the picture of all the files in
the tree challenge.
 10/27/2012 07:34:22 AM · #72
Originally posted by nygold:
There are also different interpretations of the challenge topics.
Some choose to go out of the box which I find creative at times.
For example the person that posted the picture of all the files in
the tree challenge.


That was JJ B.

That was a good picture. I know that mine wasn't fantastic, but in the trees challege I am sure I got hit for not having a tree in the shot, where, just like paper, a telephone pole is a tree.

Message edited by author 2012-10-27 07:35:06.
 10/27/2012 07:55:49 AM · #73
Originally posted by blindjustice:
I got hit for not having a tree in the shot, where, just like paper, a telephone pole is a tree.


a telephone pole was a tree
 10/27/2012 08:03:04 AM · #74
Originally posted by Giles_uk:
a telephone pole was a tree

I didn't have the heart to tell him.
 10/27/2012 08:09:50 AM · #75
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by jaysonmc:
Frankly I don't read the descriptions when voting (just when entering).
Found one person who contributes to the problem.

Hopefully you put a modicum of effort when voting for other things other than just showing up.


So its OK to force people to study the rules, but not to stretch their imaginations to look into the photogs intentions and/or give the photog the benefit of the dnmc doubt?

You keep bringing this up whenever these discussions take place. Being creative and following the description are not mutually exclusive. You make it sound like it's one or the other.

Message edited by author 2012-10-27 09:30:11.
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