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10/17/2012 12:25:54 PM · #1 |
My cable TV and Internet provider allows me to keep my TV running 24-7, and not be charged extra.
But if I go over my 80GB internet data cap, they charge me extra.
What gives?
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10/17/2012 12:32:49 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
My cable TV and Internet provider allows me to keep my TV running 24-7, and not be charged extra.
But if I go over my 80GB internet data cap, they charge me extra.
What gives? |
An attempt to keep pornography businesses under control? |
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10/17/2012 01:34:12 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
My cable TV and Internet provider allows me to keep my TV running 24-7, and not be charged extra.
But if I go over my 80GB internet data cap, they charge me extra.
What gives? |
An attempt to keep pornography businesses under control? |
Tell that to all the XXX channels in my TV plan.
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10/17/2012 01:44:36 PM · #4 |
Where I am (Near slippy), Rogers and Bell are the monopolies that control TV content, and Internet services. They put caps on bandwidth with high overage fees to dissuade anyone from getting netflix, or streaming.
So, I switched to another company that has 300Gb caps. |
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10/17/2012 02:06:19 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by VitaminB:
Where I am (Near slippy), Rogers and Bell are the monopolies that control TV content, and Internet services. They put caps on bandwidth with high overage fees to dissuade anyone from getting netflix, or streaming.
So, I switched to another company that has 300Gb caps. |
Which one?
I was thinking of signing up with the Costco bundle through Primus. It's 7Mb download/1Mb upload speed, with unlimited bandwith. It'll be slower than what I currently have, but a lot cheaper. |
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10/17/2012 02:08:36 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
My cable TV and Internet provider allows me to keep my TV running 24-7, and not be charged extra.
But if I go over my 80GB internet data cap, they charge me extra.
What gives? |
It's because they dint want you replacing your cable tv with internet based options like J
Netflix
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10/17/2012 02:17:00 PM · #7 |
| Have you ever gone over? It's hard to know what 80GB represents. I'd think you'd need to be doing some heavy downloading to reach that, although now you can watch many cable stations over the internet like ESPN. |
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10/17/2012 02:21:06 PM · #8 |
There are some ISP choices in Toronto which offer better deals that what I'm stuck with as a Burlingtonian. I've heard of Teksavvy. I saw an ad for Acanac the other day, and checked up on it. Better deal, but still not available in my area. Hence this post today.
My Free To Air scheme didn't work out, I'm too blocked to get all the stations the wife 'needs'. :-(
My children don't even watch TV anymore, they fill their sedentary goof-off time with YouTube and PC games. The wife is the only problem. Dirty deeds...
I don't like how these geographic monopolies control both content AND method of delivery. :-(
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10/17/2012 02:23:17 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Have you ever gone over? It's hard to know what 80GB represents. I'd think you'd need to be doing some heavy downloading to reach that, although now you can watch many cable stations over the internet like ESPN. |
We've only gone over once, not by much. But it does prevent me from watching the amount of Netflix I'd like to. And our usage has been climbing since the children's rejection of regular TV in favour of YouTube.
Also, the local video rental store has packed up and left. We have the option of easily renting movies online through the PS3, but the data hit is about 5GB per movie.
Message edited by author 2012-10-17 14:43:40.
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10/17/2012 02:51:15 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
My cable TV and Internet provider allows me to keep my TV running 24-7, and not be charged extra.
But if I go over my 80GB internet data cap, they charge me extra.
What gives? |
It's because they dint want you replacing your cable tv with internet based options like J
Netflix |
Ok, I'll bite, what's the difference between J Netflix and Netflix?
Is it that you were just too lazy to edit the comment, or is J Netflix something that actually exists?
Message edited by author 2012-10-17 14:51:57. |
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10/17/2012 03:04:34 PM · #11 |
This is in-line with the packages offered by Acanac. Unlimited data, but with lower download speeds during peak hours. [Acanac pricing]
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"Also on Monday, in a joint submission to the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission, several Canadian cable providers conceded that usage-based billing had no correlation to the cost of providing the data - an argument often advanced in the past by large providers - but was related to conditioning how customers use their Internet connections.
In their regulatory filing, Cogeco Cable, Rogers Communications and Quebecor argued that usage-based pricing should be expensive enough to "discourage use above the set limit" in order to effectively manage traffic on the network. "It follows that the price does not necessarily reflect the cost of supplying the network capacity," the companies wrote.
For his part, Mr. Hastings said he believes data caps have little impact on traffic management because the real problem points for ISPs are peak usage times, and monthly data caps do little to alter the times at which customers use the Internet.
"This idea of capped Internet really makes no sense from a network management or policy sense," he said. "Really, the costs on the Internet are driven by wherever the peaks are ... So it's really inefficient to use caps to manage network bandwidth. All you care about is peak bandwidth.""
Quote from:
//m.theglobeandmail.com/technology/tech-news/netflix-tweaks-canadian-service-to-lower-data-usage/article576386/?service=mobile
Bold added for emphasis.
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Message edited by author 2012-10-17 15:06:42.
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10/17/2012 03:42:37 PM · #12 |
Degree of media concentration in G8 countries (Percentage of providers which control both media content AND delivery):
8. 00.0% = Russia
7. 07.1% = Germany
6. 23.1% = USA
5. 27.0% = France
4. 31.0% = UK
3. 33.0% = Italy
2. 37.5% = Japan
1. 81.4% = Canada
Wow, sucks to be Canadian...
source:
//www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/08/13/concentration-media-ownership-canada_n_1773117.html#slide=1372659
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10/17/2012 04:00:11 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
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Wow, sucks to be Canadian...
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10/17/2012 06:03:03 PM · #14 |
| Does that stat mean the Russians have the most freedom or no media access? ;-) |
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10/17/2012 06:04:52 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Does that stat mean the Russians have the most freedom or no media access? ;-) |
No media access... but they're rushin' to catch up! ;-) |
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10/17/2012 06:08:22 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by VitaminB:
Where I am (Near slippy), Rogers and Bell are the monopolies that control TV content, and Internet services. They put caps on bandwidth with high overage fees to dissuade anyone from getting netflix, or streaming.
So, I switched to another company that has 300Gb caps. |
Which one?
I was thinking of signing up with the Costco bundle through Primus. It's 7Mb download/1Mb upload speed, with unlimited bandwith. It'll be slower than what I currently have, but a lot cheaper. |
I'm with Teksavvy. Never went over my limit (I did with Rogers on a regular basis), and the download speeds are comparable to what I had when I was with Rogers. Only problem it that I get frequently booted off the net, and have to reconnect. Not sure if its Teksavvy, or my router, wireless receiver, modem, ... |
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10/17/2012 06:18:15 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Does that stat mean the Russians have the most freedom or no media access? ;-) |
No media access... but they're rushin' to catch up! ;-) |
Well, I think the problem started when some dislexic engineer specified cossackial cable when installing the inter-nyet ... |
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10/17/2012 08:50:21 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Does that stat mean the Russians have the most freedom or no media access? ;-) |
No media access... but they're rushin' to catch up! ;-) |
Well, I think the problem started when some dislexic engineer specified cossackial cable when installing the inter-nyet ... |
In Soviet Russia, the internyet surfs you.
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10/18/2012 08:55:34 AM · #19 |
Ooh! I found an alternate cable ISP available in my area with a 300GB cap, versus Cogeco 80GB cap. Start.ca. Hopefully it's not a case of a turd sandwich versus poop on toast.
Their pricing and speed is good enough for what I'm used to. I'll have to give them a call and see how they operate. I suppose they're a reseller of Cogeco.
Message edited by author 2012-10-18 08:57:04.
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10/18/2012 08:59:35 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
In Soviet Russia, the internyet surfs you. |
Isn't that "serfs"? |
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10/18/2012 09:03:59 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Ooh! I found an alternate cable ISP available in my area with a 300GB cap, versus Cogeco 80GB cap. Start.ca. Hopefully it's not a case of a turd sandwich versus poop on toast.
Their pricing and speed is good enough for what I'm used to. I'll have to give them a call and see how they operate. I suppose they're a reseller of Cogeco. |
You know, we switched providers in July, and as a result we have a cap, but I think it's up in the 300GB range. I had "that discussion" with my son, who is the real data hog in the house. We didn't even come close to going over.
I can see that as we do more streaming, we will have to watch the situation. For use, the cap was a reasonable trade for *much* higher speeds. We are now seeing downlink speeds of > 40Mb/s, and uplink speeds of about 4.2 Mb/s, contrasted with 2.5 Mb/s and 0.4 Mb/s before. |
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10/18/2012 10:03:25 AM · #22 |
IMHO bandwidth data caps give your ISP an easy way to know who is using way too much bandwidth (like setting up a server in your house). They watch everyone, all the time, instead of getting subpoenas to watch individuals. Also, it's a small, seemingly harmless way to get people used to the idea of paying for bandwidth use, by the GB, instead of the flat rate we pay now. There are other, more efficient ways to control peak hours already in place.
Message edited by author 2012-10-18 10:05:53. |
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