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09/05/2012 08:17:55 PM · #51 |
You have rated 68 of 71 images (96%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.1618.
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09/05/2012 09:05:23 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by Jon_H:
5.5 being the average but I can't cast that vote so I use 5 as my mid vote, others use 6. |
Try averaging up. It works great, and it is a completely appropriate method of rounding. |
I've been involved in this 5-6 mid-range discussion before and I have been honestly trying, bit by bit, to bring my avg score given up. I understand when someone tells me that it might be appreciated if I would round up the middle. I try to be fair and I listen to the discussion. But  Jon_H is right... this current group (shall we call them that) of users who have avg score given of 3 or less and hand out more ones than anything else seem happy about their voting patterns. There is no intention on their parts, so they flaunt, of rethinking anything because that's how they want to do it. Why are they so vocal about it? Something just does not feel right.
I contend, it is not fun to hear about it and it is not fun to have my scores jumping around erratically because of it. I'll take it one step further, which is the reason I am writing this now, I feel it's detrimental to DPC and it's not just about voting. It's the same people doing this who are producing much of the negative chatter in the threads. Tiresome is putting it mildly. I love DPC. I want to enjoy and learn from what I'm posting in the challenges and from what I'm reading in the threads. I want to hear (and think) the positives. I want it to be fun again. |
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09/05/2012 09:37:33 PM · #53 |
Challenge: Member Challenge Free Study 2012-08 (Aug. 1st 2012 - Aug. 31st 2012) [Challenge Details: Free Study for August, 2012.]
Rules: Advanced Editing
Submissions: 244
Voting Deadline: Sep. 7th 2012
Details: Free Study for August, 2012.
Stats: You have rated 173 of 243 images (71%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 27 images (11%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.6243.
Challenge: Member Challenge Stranger In A Strange Land II (Aug. 24th 2012 - Aug. 30th 2012) [Challenge Details: Simply photograph a strange something, somewhere strange.]
Rules: Advanced Editing
Submissions: 72
Voting Deadline: Sep. 6th 2012
Details: Simply photograph a strange something, somewhere strange.
Stats: You have rated 58 of 72 images (81%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 11 images (15%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 8.1034.
Challenge: Member Challenge The Moon II (Aug. 27th 2012 - Sep. 2nd 2012) [Challenge Details: A moon-themed challenge in honor of the Blue Moon on August 31st.]
Rules: Expert Editing
Submissions: 74
Voting Deadline: Sep. 9th 2012
Details: A moon-themed challenge in honor of the Blue Moon on August 31st.
Stats: You have rated 68 of 73 images (93%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 15 images (20%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.9265.
Challenge: Open Challenge Yes or No? (Aug. 29th 2012 - Sep. 4th 2012) [Challenge Details: Take a photograph that answers the question: Yes or no? Do not give your entry a title that gives away the answer or the question. Voters should answer the question that the image asks and wager a guess as to what the actual question might be.]
Rules: Advanced Editing
Submissions: 79
Voting Deadline: Sep. 11th 2012
Details: Take a photograph that answers the question: Yes or no? Do not give your entry a title that gives away the answer or the question.
Voters should answer the question that the image asks and wager a guess as to what the actual question might be.
Stats: You have rated 37 of 78 images (47%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 7 images (9%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 7.6486.
And to Venser your avg vote on the Free study of 3.62 is JUST PLAIN WRONG, JUST WRONG, WRONG WRONG, this was one of the better free studies I've seen in a while, I really think you are on the wrong site, low balling people who are trying to better themselves and then have to compete with these scores, I shake my head at you. It takes me a while to get angry, but I an not happy with the way you act. I joined this site to improve on my photography and grow and learn from others, but that is just deflating when I see your avg vote cast, very discouraging to say the least.
I would love to know who you gave 10's to in the F/S, and who you gave 1's to.
Message edited by author 2012-09-05 21:37:52. |
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09/05/2012 09:45:59 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by Jon_H:
5.5 being the average but I can't cast that vote so I use 5 as my mid vote, others use 6. |
Try averaging up. It works great, and it is a completely appropriate method of rounding. |
I've been involved in this 5-6 mid-range discussion before and I have been honestly trying, bit by bit, to bring my avg score given up. I understand when someone tells me that it might be appreciated if I would round up the middle. I try to be fair and I listen to the discussion. But Jon_H is right... this current group (shall we call them that) of users who have avg score given of 3 or less and hand out more ones than anything else seem happy about their voting patterns. There is no intention on their parts, so they flaunt, of rethinking anything because that's how they want to do it. Why are they so vocal about it? Something just does not feel right.
I contend, it is not fun to hear about it and it is not fun to have my scores jumping around erratically because of it. I'll take it one step further, which is the reason I am writing this now, I feel it's detrimental to DPC and it's not just about voting. It's the same people doing this who are producing much of the negative chatter in the threads. Tiresome is putting it mildly. I love DPC. I want to enjoy and learn from what I'm posting in the challenges and from what I'm reading in the threads. I want to hear (and think) the positives. I want it to be fun again. |
I totally agree. There are people who know who they are, who get off on having the "I am an antisocial asshole- and what the hell are you going to do about it" style behavior. I have been here on and off for a very long time, I remember there certainly were people in the threads to remind you if you said something foolish- but there is a mean spirited nature to the forums lately that hasn't been here before. This is the type of thing that someone has to monitor, to keep it social and friendly.
When it comes right down to it, this is not a "trial by fire- this is what you did wrong site." Sure you can learn by criticism, but a pghotography site can't be driven by "technical" rather than artistic photographers, being fools in the threads and voting ridiculously. Art is not sports. Its a competition but not in a "who has the biggest megapixel" way- positive feedback for things that are liked can steer someone in the right direction as much as A-hole comments. |
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09/05/2012 09:50:46 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by bassbone:
Originally posted by Jon_H:
5.5 being the average but I can't cast that vote so I use 5 as my mid vote, others use 6. |
Try averaging up. It works great, and it is a completely appropriate method of rounding. |
I've been involved in this 5-6 mid-range discussion before and I have been honestly trying, bit by bit, to bring my avg score given up. I understand when someone tells me that it might be appreciated if I would round up the middle. I try to be fair and I listen to the discussion. But Jon_H is right... this current group (shall we call them that) of users who have avg score given of 3 or less and hand out more ones than anything else seem happy about their voting patterns. There is no intention on their parts, so they flaunt, of rethinking anything because that's how they want to do it. Why are they so vocal about it? Something just does not feel right.
I contend, it is not fun to hear about it and it is not fun to have my scores jumping around erratically because of it. I'll take it one step further, which is the reason I am writing this now, I feel it's detrimental to DPC and it's not just about voting. It's the same people doing this who are producing much of the negative chatter in the threads. Tiresome is putting it mildly. I love DPC. I want to enjoy and learn from what I'm posting in the challenges and from what I'm reading in the threads. I want to hear (and think) the positives. I want it to be fun again. |
I totally agree. There are people who know who they are, who get off on having the "I am an antisocial asshole- and what the hell are you going to do about it" style behavior. I have been here on and off for a very long time, I remember there certainly were people in the threads to remind you if you said something foolish- but there is a mean spirited nature to the forums lately that hasn't been here before. This is the type of thing that someone has to monitor, to keep it social and friendly.
When it comes right down to it, this is not a "trial by fire- this is what you did wrong site." Sure you can learn by criticism, but a pghotography site can't be driven by "technical" rather than artistic photographers, being fools in the threads and voting ridiculously. Art is not sports. Its a competition but not in a "who has the biggest megapixel" way- positive feedback for things that are liked can steer someone in the right direction as much as A-hole comments. |
eta: I realize that my tone is rough, I use curse words-but to be offended by this is to admit the problem is you.
And most people know who the problems are. |
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09/05/2012 09:54:27 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
I've been involved in this 5-6 mid-range discussion before and I have been honestly trying, bit by bit, to bring my avg score given up. I understand when someone tells me that it might be appreciated if I would round up the middle. I try to be fair and I listen to the discussion. But Jon_H is right... this current group (shall we call them that) of users who have avg score given of 3 or less and hand out more ones than anything else seem happy about their voting patterns. There is no intention on their parts, so they flaunt, of rethinking anything because that's how they want to do it. Why are they so vocal about it? Something just does not feel right.
I contend, it is not fun to hear about it and it is not fun to have my scores jumping around erratically because of it. I'll take it one step further, which is the reason I am writing this now, I feel it's detrimental to DPC and it's not just about voting. It's the same people doing this who are producing much of the negative chatter in the threads. Tiresome is putting it mildly. I love DPC. I want to enjoy and learn from what I'm posting in the challenges and from what I'm reading in the threads. I want to hear (and think) the positives. I want it to be fun again. |
They're adamant about it because at every turn they are forced to be on the defensive. Half these people get called out in threads about this before they even arrive to post their perspective, and are variously called trolls and told what their motives for voting low are.
So, once they arrive, having already been called out and been told they are what makes DPC horrible, perhaps it isn't so hard to see why they bristle.
What would you do in a thread that was formed to explain why your approach to your hobby is wrong, terrible, and hurts the progress of others?
I am not condoning some sort of perverse photography forum moral relativism, but it's curious when folks are apt to praise alternative ways of perceiving photography when they are put forward by folks like Posthumous, but a departure in a different sense is leapt upon with such frothing viciousness. Further, Don has gone on to discuss his low votes for many of the eye candy shots that most others would say should only get 10's of glory. There seems to be a curious disconnect. |
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09/05/2012 10:14:59 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by Neat:
Challenge: Member Challenge Stranger In A Strange Land II (Aug. 24th 2012 - Aug. 30th 2012) [Challenge Details: Simply photograph a strange something, somewhere strange.]
Rules: Advanced Editing
Submissions: 72
Voting Deadline: Sep. 6th 2012
Details: Simply photograph a strange something, somewhere strange.
Stats: You have rated 58 of 72 images (81%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 11 images (15%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 8.1034. |
You don't see a problem with your average? It's further from center than mine. You can't call me out when yours is out of whack also. It's somewhat hypocritical.
Originally posted by Neat:
And to Venser your avg vote on the Free study of 3.62 is JUST PLAIN WRONG, JUST WRONG, WRONG WRONG, this was one of the better free studies I've seen in a while, I really think you are on the wrong site, low balling people who are trying to better themselves and then have to compete with these scores, I shake my head at you. |
That's a matter of opinion. Art is subjective in case you didn't get the memo. I didn't think it was one of the best, hence my average. I'm not low balling on purpose, I have a criteria I use when looking at the images and apply it accordingly.
I don't understand how people have to compete with the scores. I vote on every entry, so mathematically, everyone is on the same footing. If I skipped over entries, then there would be a real problem since I'm skewed pretty heavily to a side. You might have to elaborate on this because I might be missing something a little more subtle.
Originally posted by Neat:
It takes me a while to get angry, but I an not happy with the way you act. I joined this site to improve on my photography and grow and learn from others, but that is just deflating when I see your avg vote cast, very discouraging to say the least. |
How have I acted that makes you angry? Or is it simply my average? I've simply been pointing out the obvious that not everyone votes the same and differences of opinions do exist along with voting patterns and habits. If that makes you angry, there's little I can about it.
Originally posted by Neat:
I would love to know who you gave 10's to in the F/S, and who you gave 1's to. |
Remind me after the challenge. I'll go over my votes if you'd like. Or you could just read the comments, you'll see my 8's, 9's, and 10's at least, and the reason I chose them.
Message edited by author 2012-09-05 22:27:07. |
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09/05/2012 10:18:54 PM · #58 |
| I just gotta say, I am NOT a fan of anyone telling anyone else how to vote or what score an entry deserves or doesn't deserve from someone else. Let each to their own and just ask for consistency and honesty. |
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09/05/2012 10:22:39 PM · #59 |
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09/05/2012 10:33:19 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
I've been involved in this 5-6 mid-range discussion before and I have been honestly trying, bit by bit, to bring my avg score given up. I understand when someone tells me that it might be appreciated if I would round up the middle. I try to be fair and I listen to the discussion. But Jon_H is right... this current group (shall we call them that) of users who have avg score given of 3 or less and hand out more ones than anything else seem happy about their voting patterns. There is no intention on their parts, so they flaunt, of rethinking anything because that's how they want to do it. Why are they so vocal about it? Something just does not feel right.
I contend, it is not fun to hear about it and it is not fun to have my scores jumping around erratically because of it. I'll take it one step further, which is the reason I am writing this now, I feel it's detrimental to DPC and it's not just about voting. It's the same people doing this who are producing much of the negative chatter in the threads. Tiresome is putting it mildly. I love DPC. I want to enjoy and learn from what I'm posting in the challenges and from what I'm reading in the threads. I want to hear (and think) the positives. I want it to be fun again. |
They're adamant about it because at every turn they are forced to be on the defensive. Half these people get called out in threads about this before they even arrive to post their perspective, and are variously called trolls and told what their motives for voting low are.
So, once they arrive, having already been called out and been told they are what makes DPC horrible, perhaps it isn't so hard to see why they bristle.
What would you do in a thread that was formed to explain why your approach to your hobby is wrong, terrible, and hurts the progress of others?
am not condoning some sort of perverse photography forum moral relativism, but it's curious when folks are apt to praise alternative ways of perceiving photography when they are put forward by folks like Posthumous, but a departure in a different sense is leapt upon with such frothing viciousness. Further, Don has gone on to discuss his low votes for many of the eye candy shots that most others would say should only get 10's of glory. There seems to be a curious disconnect. |
Curious disconnect is an appropriate observatiion and I understand and appreciate all that you've said. But I still think it is NOT appropriate DPC behavior to be doling out a majority of one votes, no matter what the reason! We photographers work hard with our entries.. we don't want to hear that some renegade, albeit some with supposed art history knowledge, have decided that our entries aren't worthy of even being entered. That's how I feel when my entry is garnished with a one, or even a two vote. If that's not how it's intended I'm sorry for the misinterpretation. |
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09/05/2012 10:38:58 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
I just gotta say, I am NOT a fan of anyone telling anyone else how to vote or what score an entry deserves or doesn't deserve from someone else. Let each to their own and just ask for consistency and honesty. |
+100
I also would highly recommend that no one care too much about a couple of very low scores (defined however you like). What's the big deal?
By the way, venser has said this a couple of times: if you want to see what he thinks is good, read his comments because he generally comments on the shots he really likes. So if you're curious what he votes highly, read his comments.
I found them interesting and I agreed with much of what he said. Frankly, Christopher, I'd welcome your thoughts on any of my images, positive or negative, as long they're as constructive as your comments that I've read.
What I also find interesting is that he doesn't simply reject what the rest of DPC says is good; many of his high votes go to high scoring images. He just has his own compass, which is fine with me. |
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09/05/2012 10:40:53 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
This thread is sad. |
oh look another thread where people are asked to justify their votes.
You have rated 79 of 79 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 1 images (1%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 3.2405.
i gave out 5 10's and 41 1's, yes thats right. the rest were 5's
Message edited by author 2012-09-05 17:57:48.
average score of 3.2405. Sorry you feel sad. |
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09/05/2012 10:42:36 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
But I still think it is NOT appropriate DPC behavior to be doling out a majority of one votes, no matter what the reason! We photographers work hard with our entries.. |
I respectfully disagree on both counts. Voters should be doling out whatever they think the image deserves based on their criteria. And not every entry is the result of hard work - at least 75% of my 222 challenge entries are the result of a last minute whim and minimal effort and many are deserving of a 1 even from myself if I could. :) |
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09/05/2012 10:44:06 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
I just gotta say, I am NOT a fan of anyone telling anyone else how to vote or what score an entry deserves or doesn't deserve from someone else. Let each to their own and just ask for consistency and honesty. |
+100
I also would highly recommend that no one care too much about a couple of very low scores (defined however you like). What's the big deal?
By the way, venser has said this a couple of times: if you want to see what he thinks is good, read his comments because he generally comments on the shots he really likes. So if you're curious what he votes highly, read his comments.
I found them interesting and I agreed with much of what he said. Frankly, Christopher, I'd welcome your thoughts on any of my images, positive or negative, as long they're as constructive as your comments that I've read.
What I also find interesting is that he doesn't simply reject what the rest of DPC says is good; many of his high votes go to high scoring images. He just has his own compass, which is fine with me. |
I do enjoy his comments... actually try to remember to read them as each challenge rolls over.. but that doesn't negate the fact that most every other vote was a one. That's a lot of ones. |
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09/05/2012 10:45:16 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
But I still think it is NOT appropriate DPC behavior to be doling out a majority of one votes, no matter what the reason! We photographers work hard with our entries.. |
I respectfully disagree on both counts. Voters should be doling out whatever they think the image deserves based on their criteria. And not every entry is the result of hard work - at least 75% of my 222 challenge entries are the result of a last minute whim and minimal effort and many are deserving of a 1 even from myself if I could. :) |
if you could? |
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09/05/2012 10:46:22 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
But I still think it is NOT appropriate DPC behavior to be doling out a majority of one votes, no matter what the reason! We photographers work hard with our entries.. |
I respectfully disagree on both counts. Voters should be doling out whatever they think the image deserves based on their criteria. And not every entry is the result of hard work - at least 75% of my 222 challenge entries are the result of a last minute whim and minimal effort and many are deserving of a 1 even from myself if I could. :) |
if you could? |
Yeah, for some reason they won't let me vote on my own entry. |
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09/05/2012 10:46:31 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by mike_311:
This thread is sad. |
oh look another thread where people are asked to justify their votes.
You have rated 79 of 79 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 1 images (1%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 3.2405.
i gave out 5 10's and 41 1's, yes thats right. the rest were 5's
Message edited by author 2012-09-05 17:57:48.
average score of 3.2405. Sorry you feel sad. |
Actually just unimpressed by the entries in that challenge. Most dnmc.
For all you know I could have given you a 10. |
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09/05/2012 10:50:39 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by mike_311:
This thread is sad. |
oh look another thread where people are asked to justify their votes.
You have rated 79 of 79 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 1 images (1%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 3.2405.
i gave out 5 10's and 41 1's, yes thats right. the rest were 5's
Message edited by author 2012-09-05 17:57:48.
average score of 3.2405. Sorry you feel sad. |
Actually just unimpressed by the entries in that challenge. Most dnmc.
For all you know I could have given you a 10. |
that would be nice but it wouldn't matter to me, overall. |
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09/05/2012 10:51:13 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by mike_311:
This thread is sad. |
oh look another thread where people are asked to justify their votes.
You have rated 79 of 79 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 1 images (1%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 3.2405.
i gave out 5 10's and 41 1's, yes thats right. the rest were 5's
Message edited by author 2012-09-05 17:57:48.
average score of 3.2405. Sorry you feel sad. |
Actually just unimpressed by the entries in that challenge. Most dnmc.
For all you know I could have given you a 10. |
I can't wait to see which is yours!!! |
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09/05/2012 10:51:21 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by Neat:
You have given an average score of 8.1034. |
You don't see a problem with your average? It's further from center than mine. |
A very valid point. I would argue that more people give out way too many 8s, 9s and 10s than 1s or 2s, but that goes against my belief that everyone should vote how they see fit. |
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09/05/2012 10:55:56 PM · #71 |
| I pretty much vote zeroes on everything. |
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09/05/2012 11:07:40 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
I just gotta say, I am NOT a fan of anyone telling anyone else how to vote or what score an entry deserves or doesn't deserve from someone else. Let each to their own and just ask for consistency and honesty. |
... and I wholeheartedly agree with this view.
Pull up your pants dearies and play the cards they deal you...all this chicken shit is not going to affect anyone in the least.
Ray |
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09/05/2012 11:11:51 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Pull up your pants dearies and play the cards they deal you... |
Dammit Ray! I was enjoying a pleasant round of naked poker, and you had to go and ruin it!
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09/05/2012 11:18:37 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Pull up your pants dearies and play the cards they deal you... |
Dammit Ray! I was enjoying a pleasant round of naked poker, and you had to go and ruin it!
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Ah but my dear friend... I never said you had to pull them all the way up. In the heat ankle high should suffice I would think. :O)
Ray |
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09/05/2012 11:19:57 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
In the heat ankle high should suffice I would think. :O) |
Oh, Ok. In that case, send the women back in.
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