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08/29/2012 01:01:11 PM · #26

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
Rules have been changed.

Don't know how many of you have looked at the new rule changes so I thought I would post it to see what you all think about it.

I think it's hilarious that Sarah Palin thinks that grassroots activism is somehow inherent to the Republican party.

I believe the Tea Party is considered grassroots, since the movement didn't begin in the Republican establishment. I assume that was her main argument, that the Tea Party needs a voice, and she feels it is getting squelched. Seems the establishment wants to use the convention purely as a campaign tool, not as a "committee".

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08/29/2012 01:04:57 PM · #27

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

How many CEOs live in the band from North Dakota to Oklahoma which regularly looks red on the electoral map?

Warren Buffet? But he's in favor of the rich paying more taxes, so I guess he doesn't count.

08/29/2012 01:05:22 PM · #28

Originally posted by JamesDowning:

I believe the Tea Party is considered grassroots, since the movement didn't begin in the Republican establishment.

"The Tea Party movement was described as astroturfed by 26% of the public responding in a 2010 Rasmussen poll. ... During bouts of political in-fighting, Tea Party factions have even derided other Tea Party factions as Astroturfed, due to their funding and organization by Republican interests."

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08/29/2012 01:59:38 PM · #29

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by JamesDowning:
I believe the Tea Party is considered grassroots, since the movement didn't begin in the Republican establishment.

"The Tea Party movement was described as astroturfed by 26% of the public responding in a 2010 Rasmussen poll. ... During bouts of political in-fighting, Tea Party factions have even derided other Tea Party factions as Astroturfed, due to their funding and organization by Republican interests."

That survey sample consisted of all 100 of Nancy Pelosi's brain cells.

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08/29/2012 02:24:45 PM · #30

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by JamesDowning:
I believe the Tea Party is considered grassroots, since the movement didn't begin in the Republican establishment.

"The Tea Party movement was described as astroturfed by 26% of the public responding in a 2010 Rasmussen poll. ... During bouts of political in-fighting, Tea Party factions have even derided other Tea Party factions as Astroturfed, due to their funding and organization by Republican interests."

That survey sample consisted of all 100 of Nancy Pelosi's brain cells.

You mean Nancy Pelosi has 100 brain cells. I never would have guessed

08/29/2012 02:26:11 PM · #31

Originally posted by posthumous:

You got THAT from THIS??

Originally posted by blog:

Sarah Palin reacted to the original measure on her Facebook page Monday night. Calling it a "controversial rule change" that is "so very disappointing," Palin added: "It's a direct attack on grassroots activists by the GOP establishment, and it must be rejected."

08/29/2012 02:28:18 PM · #32

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by posthumous:
I think it's hilarious that Sarah Palin thinks that grassroots activism is somehow inherent to the Republican party.

I'm confused by this. Why isn't it? We often like to think the Republican party is the party of the soulless corporate CEOs, but it's far more the party of rural, smalltown America. Their numbers probably outrank the CEOs literally a million to one. How many CEOs live in the band from North Dakota to Oklahoma which regularly looks red on the electoral map?

Because propaganda is a powerful thing, Doc.

08/29/2012 04:01:38 PM · #33

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by scalvert:
"The Tea Party movement was described as astroturfed by 26% of the public responding in a 2010 Rasmussen poll. ... During bouts of political in-fighting, Tea Party factions have even derided other Tea Party factions as Astroturfed, due to their funding and organization by Republican interests."

That survey sample consisted of all 100 of Nancy Pelosi's brain cells.

A thoughtful, reasoned response. :-/

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08/29/2012 04:09:01 PM · #34

Originally posted by scalvert:

Same argument can be made for the Occupy movement. They even hired protesters.

Plus, 26% isn't much of an indictment.

Message edited by author 2012-08-29 16:10:31.

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08/29/2012 04:11:23 PM · #35

Romley can't drink tea, what a party pooper.

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08/29/2012 04:38:49 PM · #36

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by scalvert:
"The Tea Party movement was described as astroturfed by 26% of the public responding in a 2010 Rasmussen poll. ... During bouts of political in-fighting, Tea Party factions have even derided other Tea Party factions as Astroturfed, due to their funding and organization by Republican interests."

That survey sample consisted of all 100 of Nancy Pelosi's brain cells.

A thoughtful, reasoned response. :-/

In proportion to that which I was responding to. As mentioned, 26% isn't much of an indictment and Pelosi's inane propaganda could easily account for that 26%. It's quite absurd to think the GOP was behind the Tea Party considering several GOP incumbents lost seats in congress because of the Tea Party. You can accuse the GOP of trying to co-opt the TP in the same way the Dems co-opted the OWS movement, but most of the TP groups I have interacted with were about as anti-current-GOP as they were anti-Dem. And about the only thing that there was consensus on was the concept of smaller gov't and less debt. And I never met/heard of anyone being paid by the GOP.

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08/29/2012 04:45:40 PM · #37

Tea party interviews

(keep your government hands off my medicare!)

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08/29/2012 04:54:54 PM · #38

This thread epitomizes the real problem - we, the people will just hurl insults, accusations, allegations, accusations, generalities, etc. at the groups associated with opposing viewpoints and nothing changes.

I regret my recent part in that and am disengaging from all but a discussion of the issues and respect for opposing viewpoints.

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08/29/2012 04:58:35 PM · #39

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

I just thought it was funny, I am sure there are funny videos of the Occupy movements as well.

Why do we have so many threads on politics and religion at a photo site?

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08/29/2012 05:02:38 PM · #40

Originally posted by blindjustice:

Tea party interviews

(keep your government hands off my medicare!)

Occupy interviews

(give me what I want)

(I also think it's funny... and don't get me started on AARP's "don't touch my benefits" BS)

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08/29/2012 05:03:37 PM · #41

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

I might respect people that HOLD opposing viewpoints, but sometimes the viewpoints themselves do not deserve respect, nor require me to respect them.

08/29/2012 05:03:54 PM · #42

Originally posted by blindjustice:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
This thread epitomizes the real problem - we, the people will just hurl insults, accusations, allegations, accusations, generalities, etc. at the groups associated with opposing viewpoints and nothing changes.

I regret my recent part in that and am disengaging from all but a discussion of the issues and respect for opposing viewpoints.

I just thought it was funny, I am sure there are funny videos of the Occupy movements as well.

Why do we have so many threads on politics and religion at a photo site?

Wasn't slamming you, Paul, as much as myself.

To answer your question, many people are always striving for mutual understanding wherever they hang out and while things do get out of hand occasionally and rarely do any minds get changed, it does further our understanding of each other. I would hope, anyway. :)

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08/29/2012 05:06:38 PM · #43

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

To answer your question, many people are always striving for mutual understanding wherever they hang out and while things do get out of hand occasionally and rarely do any minds get changed, it does further our understanding of each other. I would hope, anyway. :)

I have to say, it works a bit like commenting on photography. You delve deeper into the ideas and concepts and learn as much about your own beliefs as you do about the others. At least, it's had that effect on me.

blindjustice

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08/29/2012 05:11:02 PM · #44

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by blindjustice:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
This thread epitomizes the real problem - we, the people will just hurl insults, accusations, allegations, accusations, generalities, etc. at the groups associated with opposing viewpoints and nothing changes.

I regret my recent part in that and am disengaging from all but a discussion of the issues and respect for opposing viewpoints.

I just thought it was funny, I am sure there are funny videos of the Occupy movements as well.

Why do we have so many threads on politics and religion at a photo site?

Wasn't slamming you, Paul, as much as myself.

To answer your question, many people are always striving for mutual understanding wherever they hang out and while things do get out of hand occasionally and rarely do any minds get changed, it does further our understanding of each other. I would hope, anyway. :)

I know Ken, but I want to apologize for throwing fuel on certain threads. I always bitch about and try to stand for more civil forums, where Some can discuss and not take things personally, others can't.

08/29/2012 05:12:49 PM · #45

Originally posted by JamesDowning:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
To answer your question, many people are always striving for mutual understanding wherever they hang out and while things do get out of hand occasionally and rarely do any minds get changed, it does further our understanding of each other. I would hope, anyway. :)

I have to say, it works a bit like commenting on photography. You delve deeper into the ideas and concepts and learn as much about your own beliefs as you do about the others. At least, it's had that effect on me.

Agreed.

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

I might respect people that HOLD opposing viewpoints, but sometimes the viewpoints themselves do not deserve respect, nor require me to respect them.

Nothing requires you to respect anything or anyone. Whether you do or not is to your own benefit or detriment.

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08/29/2012 05:23:54 PM · #46

Originally posted by JamesDowning:

Same argument can be made for the Occupy movement.

Of course. Occupy was crafted by a Canadian activist group, while the Tea Party was cultivated by the Koch Brothers and Fox News. Both are examples of astroturfing. A movement does not need to be composed OF activists or CEOs to be orchestrated BY them for the sake of populist appearance, but at least the Occupy protests were grounded in some semblance of fact. The Tea Party is based on calculated misinformationâ�� everything from birther nonsense to the quotes they chant to co-opting the Tea Party name itself for the opposite purpose. Whereas the original Boston Tea party was a protect against a corporate tax cut, the modern version calls for exactly that. This sheer ignorance and blatant disregard of fact is the most frustrating aspect. It becomes starkly apparent when somebody expresses hatred for Obama, the reason they give for that hatred is pointed out as completely untrue, and they go right on without the slightest care that their opinion is based on an utter falsehood. Now Mitt Romney, the same guy who said we couldn't trust a man who lies to be president, has declared that his campaign won't be dictated by fact-checkers.

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08/29/2012 05:24:33 PM · #47

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by JamesDowning:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
To answer your question, many people are always striving for mutual understanding wherever they hang out and while things do get out of hand occasionally and rarely do any minds get changed, it does further our understanding of each other. I would hope, anyway. :)

I have to say, it works a bit like commenting on photography. You delve deeper into the ideas and concepts and learn as much about your own beliefs as you do about the others. At least, it's had that effect on me.

Agreed.

Originally posted by K10DGuy:
I might respect people that HOLD opposing viewpoints, but sometimes the viewpoints themselves do not deserve respect, nor require me to respect them.

Nothing requires you to respect anything or anyone. Whether you do or not is to your own benefit or detriment.

Not respecting certain viewpoints is only ever to my benefit.

08/29/2012 05:37:11 PM · #48

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

It's quite absurd to think the GOP was behind the Tea Party considering several GOP incumbents lost seats in congress because of the Tea Party... And I never met/heard of anyone being paid by the GOP.

I didn't say GOP, did I? I said the Koch brothers and Fox News. The quoted source referred to "Republican interests," and those certainly qualify.

Message edited by author 2012-08-29 17:41:22.