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04/23/2004 11:47:18 AM · #101 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Using Ozzy's codition as an example against legalizing pot is absurd, and only empahsizes how little some people know about the subject. But that doesn't prevent them from having strong convictions about it. |
Before you go telling people how little they know you better think twice..
I used to smoke pot so I know a little more than you think. I stopped becaue I realized what it was doing to me mentally an physically. I did X once and had very bad after affects from it and NEVER did it again and gave up the pot at that time as well. That was 12 years ago.
Granted using Ozzy was an EXTREAM case and not everyone will suffer like him, and he got into other drugs other than pot, but pot is a starter drug and leads to use of other drugs...
how do I know....FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE my friend, thats how... my information is NOT from a news paper or the TV.
just ask the 30 or 40 friends I no longer have contat with because they are still smoking dope and are into coke, herion, x, and a variety of other drugs.... they started out "just smoking pot", some have since died to over dose or other "incedendts".
Does pot have some good uses in the medical field?? yes , does it need be made legal, NO ? It needs to be a controlled medicine like morphine, will this stop people from doing it, NO, but it does not need to be made legal.
go ahead and ruin you life I really dont care, jut ask my 30 - 40 friends I left behind, got out of my life or did NOT attend their funeral because they over dosed or had a drug realted death
James
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04/23/2004 11:55:39 AM · #102 |
If I could express my self better in English I would have said something like jab119...
couldnt agree more with you there mister!
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04/23/2004 12:04:43 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by jab119:
Granted using Ozzy was an EXTREAM case and not everyone will suffer like him, and he got into other drugs other than pot, but pot is a starter drug and leads to use of other drugs... |
The reason pot is a starter drug is because it is illegal. It lowers the jump to hard drugs to two manageable steps. Step one is going from legal drugs to soft illegal drugs. Step two is going from soft illegal drugs to hard illegal drugs. By legalizing it, you merge the two steps into one large step. Now a person has to go from soft legal drugs (ie, alcohol, caffeine, sugar, pot) to hard illegal drugs (ie, heroin, cocaine, etc). There will no longer be a convenient middle step to help people to the top level.
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04/23/2004 12:37:10 PM · #104 |
jab119- Glad to hear you stopped using pot, sounds like you are better off for having done so; and I am sorry to hear of the plight of so many of your past friends. I could share anecdotes of my experiences, and those of my friends too. However, I don't think the individual's problems are what the discussion about legalizing pot is trying to address. More on the level of the problems pot's criminal status causes for our society. Although I don't push hard for decriminalization (a lot of other problems are higher on my list) I do recognize that for some to do so is not the same as for them to advocate for it's use.
Trinch is correct to suggest that removing pot from being grouped with hard drugs would be a positive step. But I discount the entire "starter drug" theory somewhat. Beer, which is leagal for adults and widely available for teenagers, is as likely to be a starter to hard drugs as is pot. My recent contact with teens leaves me with the impression that they tend to put pot and beer on about the same level, and hard liquor and hard drugs on another all together different level. |
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04/23/2004 12:43:43 PM · #105 |
I know many people, including myself, who smoked pot for years (I no longer do) who never went on to doing harder drugs. Some of them even tried cocaine or heroin, but never became addicted and were able to stop at will. I think this is a total fallacy about pot leading to harder drugs. More than likely, many of the people you know who went on to harder drugs probably drank alcohol before even trying marijuana, so maybe you could say that for them it's the alcohol that lead them to use other harder drugs.
Originally posted by jab119:
Originally posted by coolhar:
Using Ozzy's codition as an example against legalizing pot is absurd, and only empahsizes how little some people know about the subject. But that doesn't prevent them from having strong convictions about it. |
Before you go telling people how little they know you better think twice..
I used to smoke pot so I know a little more than you think. I stopped becaue I realized what it was doing to me mentally an physically. I did X once and had very bad after affects from it and NEVER did it again and gave up the pot at that time as well. That was 12 years ago.
Granted using Ozzy was an EXTREAM case and not everyone will suffer like him, and he got into other drugs other than pot, but pot is a starter drug and leads to use of other drugs...
how do I know....FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE my friend, thats how... my information is NOT from a news paper or the TV.
just ask the 30 or 40 friends I no longer have contat with because they are still smoking dope and are into coke, herion, x, and a variety of other drugs.... they started out "just smoking pot", some have since died to over dose or other "incedendts".
Does pot have some good uses in the medical field?? yes , does it need be made legal, NO ? It needs to be a controlled medicine like morphine, will this stop people from doing it, NO, but it does not need to be made legal.
go ahead and ruin you life I really dont care, jut ask my 30 - 40 friends I left behind, got out of my life or did NOT attend their funeral because they over dosed or had a drug realted death
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04/23/2004 02:26:55 PM · #106 |
Originally posted by tolovemoon:
Originally posted by jab119:
Just look at Ozzy Ozbourne for a prime example of why you should NOT do them, there are many other people I could give examples of, but if your on drugs you wont listen anyway
James |
Ozzy also did drugs like Acid, stick9 rat poisen,
that would send any human to the grave early or make them brain dead crazy.
Give me a hit of a joint if it will cure glacoma in the eye or help me to eat and not be sick from whatever..... |
After reading this again I sound like a user, back in the year of 1995, right after high school, I tried it, even a little drinking a couple of times ...
But I then had to get a good job and who doesnt drug test anymore,
I seen friends loose big time when they were busted too,
So I made my mind up then it wasnt worth it!
But knowing how it really can be used for medicine purposes (my friend had cancer) and my great grandpa called it asthma dust, (I had asthma too no problems after that year) I wont be judgemental on anyone else who does....
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04/24/2004 04:25:30 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by jab119:
for all those who have clouded minds due to drugs and alchol, i really hope you can understand the health risk you are going to encounter later on in life due to drug use.
Just look at Ozzy Ozbourne for a prime example of why you should NOT do them, there are many other people I could give examples of, but if your on drugs you wont listen anyway
James |
What I take issue with in this statement is the implication that anyone using drugs automatically has their ability to reason and listen brought into question. It's a clever way to simultaneously explain away any stance brought to, or any response given during this discussion by drug users.
Even as a current (and I mean current *wink*) drug user, a responsible drug user, I would hope that my opinions and contributions on this matter would be taken at face value and stand on their merits. Unfortunately, if the input from drug users is discounted before it's even expressed, I don't have much hope that this will be the case. It indicates to me an inflexible way of approaching discourse, it's more of an entrenchment than a request for debate.
Many of my adult friends still smoke pot, many of them have stopped since their pot smoking youth (including my boyfriend), and none of them are out of my life due to overdose or crime. James, I empathise with you if you've had so much loss in your life, but do you ever consider that it may be the overall environment more than the drugs that's taking such a toll? Because frankly, from where I'm sitting, I don't see such devestation around me. I think it's partly because I try to keep responsible friends and keep my friends responsible, whether they use drugs or not.
I'll get back on my cloud now.
Message edited by author 2004-04-24 16:26:42.
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04/26/2004 01:34:51 PM · #108 |
Seems that the Dutch are now saying that they are having some "problems" with their policy on Cannabis: 1) "criminal involvement", and 2) increasingly higher levels of THC that bring cannabis almost to the "hard drug" levels.
The article is HERE
Here is an excerpt:
"The Justice Ministry will attack drugs tourism with international police cooperation and target large-scale hemp growing as well as the "criminal involvement" of so-called "grow-shops" where people can buy seeds to grow their own pot.
The Health Ministry, for its part, will study the possible health consequences of soft drugs with a high content of Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), an active compound in cannabis.
This study could lead to a reclassification of the high-THC content cannabis as a "hard drug," spokesman Bart Kuik said.
The Netherlands, where customers can order a vast array of cannabis from coffee shop menus, has reportedly seen a steep rise in THC levels in Dutch-grown cannabis called "Nederwiet" due to refined growing methods.
Some doctors say cannabis use increases the risk of depression and schizophrenia but its use has been widely tolerated by the Dutch for decades. Coffee shops are prohibited from selling "hard drugs" and are carefully monitored."
Ron
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04/26/2004 01:42:09 PM · #109 |
Why bartenders shouldn't drink ...
Daily Humor
April 26, 2004
Working for a judge in a common pleas court, I saw many criminal defendants. One man facing drug charges proved unusually helpful.
To determine the exact quantity of the illegal substance allegedly sold, the judge asked the prosecutor how many grams there are in an ounce.
As both attorneys checked their notes, the defendant, who had not yet entered his plea, proudly announced, "there are 28.3 grams in an ounce, your honor."
His attorney advised him to plead guilty.
-- submitted to Reader's Digest by Rebecca Taylor
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04/26/2004 02:05:24 PM · #110 |
lets see...legalize something that is illegal. ok, that would be like giving up, right. if we can't beat them might as well join them, right. well if that happens, wouldn't it open doors for other stuff. say, why not legalize robbing banks, why not legalize rape, why not legalize murder. duh!
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04/26/2004 02:11:22 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by carrieann:
lets see...legalize something that is illegal. ok, that would be like giving up, right. if we can't beat them might as well join them, right. well if that happens, wouldn't it open doors for other stuff. say, why not legalize robbing banks, why not legalize rape, why not legalize murder. duh! |
or alcohol, or letting anyone sit at the front of the bus, or allowing women to vote. duh!
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04/26/2004 02:20:43 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by carrieann:
lets see...legalize something that is illegal. ok, that would be like giving up, right. if we can't beat them might as well join them, right. well if that happens, wouldn't it open doors for other stuff. say, why not legalize robbing banks, why not legalize rape, why not legalize murder. duh! |
or alcohol, or letting anyone sit at the front of the bus, or allowing women to vote. duh! |
I gotta go with Gordon on this one. That argument lacks merit. In fact, the legislature COULD legalize robbing banks. There is a pending bill in Florida right now to legalize the use of "emminent domain" to take private property away from individuals so that it can then be sold to developers ( like WalMart ) under the guise that "developed" property produces more tax revenue than "undeveloped" ( or underdeveloped ) property, hence is in the state's "interest". To me, that's akin to legalizing robbery.
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04/26/2004 02:24:44 PM · #113 |
sorry...i was stoned when i made that post.
Originally posted by carrieann:
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lets see...legalize something that is illegal. ok, that would be like giving up, right. if we can't beat them might as well join them, right. well if that happens, wouldn't it open doors for other stuff. say, why not legalize robbing banks, why not legalize rape, why not legalize murder. duh!
Originally posted by RonB:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by carrieann:
lets see...legalize something that is illegal. ok, that would be like giving up, right. if we can't beat them might as well join them, right. well if that happens, wouldn't it open doors for other stuff. say, why not legalize robbing banks, why not legalize rape, why not legalize murder. duh! |
or alcohol, or letting anyone sit at the front of the bus, or allowing women to vote. duh! |
I gotta go with Gordon on this one. That argument lacks merit. In fact, the legislature COULD legalize robbing banks. There is a pending bill in Florida right now to legalize the use of "emminent domain" to take private property away from individuals so that it can then be sold to developers ( like WalMart ) under the guise that "developed" property produces more tax revenue than "undeveloped" ( or underdeveloped ) property, hence is in the state's "interest". To me, that's akin to legalizing robbery.
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04/26/2004 02:25:56 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by carrieann:
lets see...legalize something that is illegal. ok, that would be like giving up, right. if we can't beat them might as well join them, right. well if that happens, wouldn't it open doors for other stuff. say, why not legalize robbing banks, why not legalize rape, why not legalize murder. duh! |
Well, you don't have to go back very far (c. 1935) when they took something perfectly legal for some 5000 years (marijuana), and arbitrarily declared it illegal, thereby suddenly creating a whole class of criminals where none existed before. Why is that any more reasonable?
Please read about Prohibition -- the Eighteenth and Twenty-First Amendments to the U.S. Constitution (or go watch The Untouchables) before you comment further ...
Interesting that right after alcohol was re-legalized, another popular and extremely inexpensive intoxicant was suddenly declared illegal for any use (including its actual commercial use as a source of fiber and lubricating oils). In another remarkable coincidence, this is just when the DuPont Corporation was trying to commercialize its new synthetic fiber, Nylon® ... |
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