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06/03/2012 01:05:42 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by EL-ROI:
The mom was right to protect her son.
I was at a street fair one day with my then two year old daughter. A fairly old, large, grubby looking man came up to me with a point & shoot and asked if he could take pictures of my daughter. I said no and he asked why and I said he was a stranger and that I wanted to protect my daughters image. He walked away. I have no idea how many shots he took without my knowledge...
Parents have the right and the responsibility to protect their children, especially when they are minors. |
I'll assume you mean likeness, not image, because the image is created by the camera.
What exactly were you protecting her likeness from anyway? |
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06/03/2012 01:20:23 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Jon_H:
I think this parent's stare sums it up for me. |
Not that there's any harm in it, from my point of view, but you've just ratified his fears, haven't you? There's his kid (and him,) posted in a public place on the internet...
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06/03/2012 01:39:59 PM · #28 |
Don't know so much about the US, but it's all so nuclear family in the UK that people would tend to be upset if you told their kids how to behave. In underdeveloped, uncivilised countries [/irony] the upbringing of children may often be seen as a common responsiblility.
Responsible parents should probably not let their children out in public. |
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06/03/2012 01:40:21 PM · #29 |
Most of my time there has been in recent years,  Sevlow, but I've found that there are two sorts I usually run into. They either really want me to take the picture, or they get irritated and yell at me after I've always taken it. I'm not often asking permission before the shot, but sometimes I will if the situation dictates.
Beyond that, I've found that the kids there are always willing, and it's usually older men who confront me.
I like your second shot there! I hope you enjoyed Egypt, it was a photographic gold mine for me.
Message edited by author 2012-06-03 13:42:12. |
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06/03/2012 01:45:34 PM · #30 |
Isnât Fully Clothed OK?
Iâm not a psychiatrist, I donât know why an adult would find pictures of clothed or semi-clothed children desirable, but I do know that when police raid premises that are known to have child pornography there are often pictures found of fully clothed children amongst the pornographic. I donât know how you feel about that, but I care that my kids images are secure and not abused in anyway clothed or unclothed.
Also note: In Australia and many other places in the world taking pictures of children without their parents permission and using them for promotion or uploading to websites can be illegal. It matters not that they are fully or semi clothed or naked. And there is a clear line between taking a shot at the beach with kids in the background (although I try very hard never to do that) and purposely stalking a child to take a picture for your own personal use. To me itâs no different if a pervert takes a picture of my child at the beach to misuse or finds that picture online due to my negligence, itâs a horrible feeling and Iâll protect my child as much as I can.
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Found this on the internet, googled for the 17 teenage girls whos photos were stolen off Facebook and found posted on a child pornography site. I cannot speak for anyone but myself when I say that I ask before taking pictures of children that I do not personally know their parents or ask for permission. To each his or her own when taking photos of children without permission. My point is I prefer not to. |
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06/03/2012 02:12:08 PM · #31 |
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06/03/2012 02:15:15 PM · #32 |
| To be honest, if i found out that photographs of my daughter, either clothed or semi-clothed, got stolen from the web and ended up on a peodophile's computer screen somehow then i don't think i'd really care. She hasn't been the victim of abuse in anyway and hasn't been disturbed, or upset. A photograph of my daughter is not my daughter. It's imaginary abuse. There is real hideous abuse in the world and i can't really equate the two. I'm not sure why someone would trawl the internet looking for pictures of clothed or semi-clothed children to steal to get their kicks. Why wouldn't they just turn on a childrens' tv channel? Or look at the pictures on diaper boxes? Or look at Anne Geddes website? The whole thing smacks of illogical paranoia. |
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06/03/2012 02:17:43 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by rooum:
To be honest, if i found out that photographs of my daughter, either clothed or semi-clothed, got stolen from the web and ended up on a peodophile's computer screen somehow then i don't think i'd really care. She hasn't been the victim of abuse in anyway and hasn't been disturbed, or upset. A photograph of my daughter is not my daughter. It's imaginary abuse. There is real hideous abuse in the world and i can't really equate the two. I'm not sure why someone would trawl the internet looking for pictures of clothed or semi-clothed children to steal to get their kicks. Why wouldn't they just turn on a childrens' tv channel? Or look at the pictures on diaper boxes? Or look at Anne Geddes website? The whole thing smacks of illogical paranoia. |
Exactly! |
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06/03/2012 02:36:20 PM · #34 |
Kelli I completely agree with you that the statement I found in that article on the internet was a bit harsh when speaking of stalking a child. People who are not photographers do not understand our way of viewing precious art when we see a child in any situation. I love photographing children also. Precious pictures by the way. |
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06/03/2012 03:53:21 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by neenee1999:
People who are not photographers... |
I think people which get extremely defensive about it are just lacking in common sense, not artistic knowledge. If they can't identify the beauty in the emotions, or play, or simple expressions of their children than they're missing out on something which I'd imagine is a pretty important part of the child-parent relationship. I'm not a father yet, but at the end of July I will be. I hope someone snaps photos of my daughter and I, since we'll be the best father-daughter team on earth and I'd want to capture that :D |
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06/03/2012 04:23:02 PM · #36 |
Ryan and I have had some interesting experiences shooting in a local park which, guess what, is smack right there next to a school. If he's seen in the park, on his own, shooting birds/squirrels etc...the local cops come around because the school staff call them on him. Never mind that he isn't the slightest bit interested in shooting the kids, and i think in at least one instance there weren't even any kids outside to shoot anyway.
However, if I go to the same park with him, it's a whole 'nuther story. We're ignored and left alone by the school staff. It actually is a bit of a double bluff because presumably, while everyone's watching him, I'm free to shoot any damn kid that wanders into frame, and I will shoot them if I feel like it.
And if I go wandering onto a playground, like I did, in order to shoot the playstructure for my For Dallas entry? Again, nobody said boo, and I made it pretty obvious by my actions that I wasn't interested at all in having kids in my shots. When I actually do shoot kids, it's only after I can pick out the parent/guardian, and give them a chance to see me and what I'm doing so they can come over and ask me to stop. So far nobody has said boo to me, ever.
Finally I never, ever EVER ask the parents/guardians for their contact info. My card has only my name, phone# and email address on it. I tell them that if they would like to see the images I got of their kids, they are to email me with a reference to the playground etc in the subject line, so I don't toss it. Usually they just give me their emails too, so it's all good. |
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06/03/2012 04:41:27 PM · #37 |
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06/03/2012 06:54:20 PM · #38 |
children grow up too fast
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06/03/2012 08:03:49 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
However, if I go to the same park with him, it's a whole 'nuther story. We're ignored and left alone by the school staff. It actually is a bit of a double bluff because presumably, while everyone's watching him, I'm free to shoot any damn kid that wanders into frame, and I will shoot them if I feel like it. |
Apparently it's only 'fairly old, large, grubby looking men' that parents are suspicious of. Is Ryan old, large, and grubby? |
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06/03/2012 08:42:15 PM · #40 |
Much ado about nothing really, the media is what blows everything out of proportion. I often take pic's of children, in the park etc. If I see a parent around I will ask their permission, and have even emailed the pic's to them which they have happily obliged to have.
I mean if a child is fully clothed what is the harm, people just freak out at the most stupidest things. It's the other hideous things that are happening to our children that we should be majorly concerned about, not photographing a child in a public place.
I only once got told to put my camera away at the beach, I can see why though. I had been taking photo's of my family, but their were a load of children participating in life saving activities and I was warned not to photograph them, even though I had no interest in photographing them at all.
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06/03/2012 08:46:29 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by JH:
Originally posted by snaffles:
However, if I go to the same park with him, it's a whole 'nuther story. We're ignored and left alone by the school staff. It actually is a bit of a double bluff because presumably, while everyone's watching him, I'm free to shoot any damn kid that wanders into frame, and I will shoot them if I feel like it. |
Apparently it's only 'fairly old, large, grubby looking men' that parents are suspicious of. Is Ryan old, large, and grubby? |
It's not so much parents, though I imagine some of the school staff are parents themselves. But Ryan, aka Magnumphotography, isn't particularly old, is fairly clean-cut, tall and lanky with long curly red hair. And he usually has an L-series lens mounted up. I think that draws attention more than anything else, a big old L-series lens in that weird shade of grey. My Nikon gear is black and so much more discreet ;-) |
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06/03/2012 08:50:21 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Ryan, aka Magnumphotography, isn't particularly old, is fairly clean-cut, tall and lanky with long curly red hair. And he usually has an L-series lens mounted up. I think that draws attention more than anything else, a big old L-series lens in that weird shade of grey. My Nikon gear is black and so much more discreet ;-) |
It's not the lens. He clearly looks like a perv.
:P |
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06/03/2012 09:05:57 PM · #43 |
This happened at the beach that my wife and I go to all the time... In fact, a friend of mine's husband (who works on the beach) was there on the day this happened and helped pointed the man out to police...
//articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-11-29/news/fl-bso-pedophile-arrest-20111129_1_padron-showers-beach-bag
Interestingly enough, the head Broward Sheriff even comments in the article that photographing nude children in outdoor public showers is, "not illegal..."
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06/03/2012 09:07:09 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by snaffles:
Ryan, aka Magnumphotography, isn't particularly old, is fairly clean-cut, tall and lanky with long curly red hair. And he usually has an L-series lens mounted up. I think that draws attention more than anything else, a big old L-series lens in that weird shade of grey. My Nikon gear is black and so much more discreet ;-) |
It's not the lens. He clearly looks like a perv.
:P |
Yeeeaahhhh....*eyeroll* |
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06/03/2012 10:30:29 PM · #45 |
"Not illegal", what a joke, well another sign of our 'upside down world'. I wouldn't even dream of doing that.
Message edited by author 2012-06-03 22:35:14. |
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06/03/2012 10:59:10 PM · #46 |
After my encounter at the fountain, I googled around to see if others had the same treatment and found this very funny parody from someone who had such experience there
Parody
Another post by same guy
Editorial
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06/04/2012 07:16:57 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by Neat:
"Not illegal", what a joke, well another sign of our 'upside down world'. I wouldn't even dream of doing that. |
It's not illegal to photograph naked children at outdoor public showers, Broward Sheriff Al Lamberti said. "What you do with the images afterward may become criminal activity," he said.
Message edited by author 2012-06-04 07:17:08. |
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06/04/2012 09:32:10 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by Neat:
"Not illegal", what a joke, well another sign of our 'upside down world'. I wouldn't even dream of doing that. |
What the ever lovin' Hell?
Why aren't people outraged at the parents who have their kids running around butt naked in public? Let's go over this one last time for the people who still don't get it:
If you're in public, ANYTHING you do is subject to being photographed, videoed etc. and posted for the world to see. There is NO expectation of privacy for anyone in public. If you don't want pictures taken of you or your kids naked, don't get naked in public.
It really is that simple. |
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06/07/2012 09:15:45 AM · #49 |
ok -- I understand parents feeling creeped out when a stranger is photographing their children.
Think about it -- if you're not a photographer, you're not going to think in the same way. The first thought would probably be "why would anyone want photos of someone else's kid??"
But this is going too far:
man kicked out of barnes and noble kids section
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06/07/2012 09:20:20 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
ok -- I understand parents feeling creeped out when a stranger is photographing their children.
Think about it -- if you're not a photographer, you're not going to think in the same way. The first thought would probably be "why would anyone want photos of someone else's kid??"
But this is going too far:
man kicked out of barnes and noble kids section |
"The employee asked whether Iâd heard about kids being molested in bookstores and I said I didnât. Maybe I should have picked some strange kid to go to the store with me so they would leave me alone," Amin said. "I donât know how that works.â
Awesome rebuttal. Makes them look like total dorks.
CS
Message edited by author 2012-06-07 09:20:40. |
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