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05/15/2012 11:55:56 PM · #51 |
Nothing wrong at all with what you seek Margaret, as a matter of fact nothing wrong with anything you have said at all. I think you have great works and will be rooting for you to get on that list. I agree with KarenFld about the very vocal minority, as you are a DPC'er of considerable success... now, sadly part of your job is to flick their tiny words off your shoulder and keep on ROCKING!
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05/15/2012 11:59:50 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by sjhuls:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Don't have anything nice to say? Read the whole thread. I have plenty of respect for people who are amazing photographers, but more respect for those who are humble, and don't start threads about their accomplishments,
And then condescend and say "only those at the top are my people- only they will understand."
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I think you are misinterpreting both of our statements. You have that in quotes and that is not even close to what she said. And the last part of my comment wasn't directed at you specifically.
Also when you win your first ribbon and I'm sure you will, be sure to remember your own words. |
I never meant to get into it with you. Some lingering fight between other people in threads spills into here and the negativity poisons us all... Your work I admire as well. If I misinterpreted, excuse me, and from your mouth to gods ears about me winning ribbons! |
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05/16/2012 12:12:56 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by ShutterRev:
Nothing wrong at all with what you seek Margaret, as a matter of fact nothing wrong with anything you have said at all. I think you have great works and will be rooting for you to get on that list. I agree with KarenFld about the very vocal minority, as you are a DPC'er of considerable success... now, sadly part of your job is to flick their tiny words off your shoulder and keep on ROCKING!
Nick |
:) Thanks, Nick |
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05/16/2012 12:16:47 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by sjhuls:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Don't have anything nice to say? Read the whole thread. I have plenty of respect for people who are amazing photographers, but more respect for those who are humble, and don't start threads about their accomplishments,
And then condescend and say "only those at the top are my people- only they will understand."
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I think you are misinterpreting both of our statements. You have that in quotes and that is not even close to what she said. And the last part of my comment wasn't directed at you specifically.
Also when you win your first ribbon and I'm sure you will, be sure to remember your own words. |
I don't think it has anything to do with not winning ribbons because as a former member of the top 50 ribbon club I agree with everything Paul has said.
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05/16/2012 07:29:24 AM · #55 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
...It is pretty clear that only those current users who are already in Top 50 can and will support my goals. |
I am seriously blown away at this post. TOO FUNNY! And by "funny" I mean "rude"...
I was going to support your goals, but apparently I can't because I am not a good enough photographer to do so. If you want support and encouragement maybe you should try not insult all of us "common" photographers.
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05/16/2012 09:56:41 AM · #56 |
There so needs to be a like button or a thumbs up or thumbs down button.
 MargaretN I think I know what your problem is. You should be very proud of what you have achieved, it is simply outstanding and to have goals is fabulous as well. No one can stop your dreams. But in saying that, if you look at this thread and read it from a 3rd person's view, you will see why you have upset people on here and why there is tons of PM's dashing around about you. Your wording comes across as condescending, negative, rude and disturbing. Your wording comes across belittling to anyone on here who attempts to do anything on here unless they are in the Top 50, agree with you, made it on 500 pix or 1 x or on some other virtual list.
I personally find the most interesting list to be that of the people that have commented. To me, they spend more time commenting and giving advice that takes a darn sight longer than snapping a picture and editing it. SO you are correct in saying that getting a Ribbon is easy. Because it is, all you have to do is point and shoot then edit. Not go through 10000000000 million photo entries and give individual explanations on how they see it or how they think you see it and the HOURS they spend doing it. That is the list that deserves recognition. I wish I commented more, I do not, life gets in my way way too much these days.
There are many people on here who admire your body of work, myself included and you should be very proud of what you have done. But in threads, most times your wording comes across as so high and mighty and looking down your condescending nose that you are taking away from your portfolio.
You don't want that, let your work stand for you. Not how your personality makes us see your portfolio. |
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05/16/2012 10:05:08 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
There so needs to be a like button or a thumbs up or thumbs down button.
MargaretN I think I know what your problem is. You should be very proud of what you have achieved, it is simply outstanding and to have goals is fabulous as well. No one can stop your dreams. But in saying that, if you look at this thread and read it from a 3rd person's view, you will see why you have upset people on here and why there is tons of PM's dashing around about you. Your wording comes across as condescending, negative, rude and disturbing. Your wording comes across belittling to anyone on here who attempts to do anything on here unless they are in the Top 50, agree with you, made it on 500 pix or 1 x or on some other virtual list.
I personally find the most interesting list to be that of the people that have commented. To me, they spend more time commenting and giving advice that takes a darn sight longer than snapping a picture and editing it. SO you are correct in saying that getting a Ribbon is easy. Because it is, all you have to do is point and shoot then edit. Not go through 10000000000 million photo entries and give individual explanations on how they see it or how they think you see it and the HOURS they spend doing it. That is the list that deserves recognition. I wish I commented more, I do not, life gets in my way way too much these days.
There are many people on here who admire your body of work, myself included and you should be very proud of what you have done. But in threads, most times your wording comes across as so high and mighty and looking down your condescending nose that you are taking away from your portfolio.
You don't want that, let your work stand for you. Not how your personality makes us see your portfolio. |
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05/16/2012 10:05:38 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
There so needs to be a like button or a thumbs up or thumbs down button.
MargaretN I think I know what your problem is. You should be very proud of what you have achieved, it is simply outstanding and to have goals is fabulous as well. No one can stop your dreams. But in saying that, if you look at this thread and read it from a 3rd person's view, you will see why you have upset people on here and why there is tons of PM's dashing around about you. Your wording comes across as condescending, negative, rude and disturbing. Your wording comes across belittling to anyone on here who attempts to do anything on here unless they are in the Top 50, agree with you, made it on 500 pix or 1 x or on some other virtual list.
I personally find the most interesting list to be that of the people that have commented. To me, they spend more time commenting and giving advice that takes a darn sight longer than snapping a picture and editing it. SO you are correct in saying that getting a Ribbon is easy. Because it is, all you have to do is point and shoot then edit. Not go through 10000000000 million photo entries and give individual explanations on how they see it or how they think you see it and the HOURS they spend doing it. That is the list that deserves recognition. I wish I commented more, I do not, life gets in my way way too much these days.
There are many people on here who admire your body of work, myself included and you should be very proud of what you have done. But in threads, most times your wording comes across as so high and mighty and looking down your condescending nose that you are taking away from your portfolio.
You don't want that, let your work stand for you. Not how your personality makes us see your portfolio. |
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05/16/2012 10:22:50 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
Sorry snaffles but when you use the term "selling out" you are belittling, whether you think so or not.
And not everyone is here to learn or form friendships. I like entering photo contests. I enter a lot of "photo-of-the-day" contests, some of which I win. I started here because to me it was another photo competition. I love winning ribbons, I love that I'm in the top 50 list (still can't believe I am!) and I love entering photos that I think have a chance of winning. If this were just a "share your photos site" I doubt I would be here. I like the competition aspect of it. In fact I can't understand why anyone would enter a competition if they didn't want to win. And if you say it's for the experience, well, you can just add your photos to a portfolio and get experience that way. |
Karen, I love the competitive aspect of this site, always have and always will. I know it's so much more than a photo sharing site, and am glad it is. But to me a big part of competition is not just doing your best when it counts, but learning too, from watching your fellow competitors. Those who consistently win on style and technique may be approachable enough to help you out. And at any competition there are always cliques of people who know and have competed against each other for years. They may have acrimonious relationships or be best of friends. Yes, ribbons or a high finish are proof of your accomplishments. But to me, they're only the sprinkles on the icing on the cake.
With regards to comments about 'Well why shouldn't Margaret be proud of her achievements and tell us about them, you don't slam other people who post about winning on other sites etc etc'...Because the results of challenges are up there on the homepage for a whole freakin week, is why. Everyone can see for themselves who's winning ribbons.
It's been very obvious that she's doing well. I'm glad she's happy and glad for her accomplishments. I just think it a little much to start a self-congratultory thread about it.
As for those who are thrilled about getting a billboard made of an image, or getting onto 1x etc...how else would we know about it if they didn't tell us, unless we're rabid followers of every other single photo site out there? And if those people also treat their announcement with a healthy dose of tongue in cheek, or even better a third party made the announcement for them...that's a whole nuther kettle of fish.
And as for being jealous of a few ribbons? Hardly. I don't care if I never win another ribbon. But I'm still going to be here, competing, reading forums, asking people for help with various PS techniques....and oh yes, continuing to write critiques.
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05/16/2012 02:10:30 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
It is pretty clear that only those current users who are already in Top 50 can and will support my goals. |
Congratulations Margaret!
I have the deepest respect and hero-worship for many (but not all) of the photographers whose names have graced that list over the years.
::Squeak of dainty fright::
However, may none of us here at DPC (Top 50 or otherwise) ever have the misfortune to be fairer than you...
Mirror, Mirror...on the wall
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05/16/2012 04:46:31 PM · #61 |
Charlize Theron looks hot and love her coat!
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05/16/2012 05:50:01 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Charlize Theron looks hot and love her coat!
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Yes! She's incredibly lovely and perfect for this chilling and ruthless role. I'm a fan! ::two thumbs up::
I'm a little on the fence about Kristen Stewart as Snow White though...Hmmmmm.
Juliet! You look a little sleepy...Gosh, I hope you didn't you eat that apple?!
::promptly faints:: |
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05/17/2012 02:01:06 AM · #63 |
OUCH !
I only just read this whole thread.
I was at least partially on your side until I got to this bit here:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
It is pretty clear that only those current users who are already in Top 50 can and will support my goals. |
I guess now I know which camp I got assigned to, single-ribbon loser that I am :-(
Boo. Hoo. |
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05/17/2012 03:32:07 AM · #64 |
Anyway I've waded through most of this thread and find it quite amusing to say the least!!
Margaret your work is admirable, to say the least, but as for your goals good luck, mine are different, but then again that's what makes us all unique.
So I want to celebrate something. I want to celebrate the fact that I have never won a ribbon on DPC, but through my time here I have made some friendships with people whom I would never have met had I not joined. These people have inspired me, encouraged me, lifted me up when I've felt like quitting. They've helped me develop my style and stick with it, and not worry about the majority of the voters. They have given me a comment at the right time, a comment that makes me sigh, take a deep breath and even comments that make me cry, really, and truly!!
Without these people, I would of never grown, without them I would be stuck in a rut, trying to please others and trying to make images that would score higher. This is not why I joined DP, to win ribbons, my aim was to learn from the best, and the not so. Now don't get me wrong I would love to win a ribbon - one day, when the time is right, and I have said that I was quitting on June 30th, but now it's coming around quickly I might change my mind. You see I quite like it here, most of you are a source of inspiration, and hey it's the best $25.00 bucks a year I've ever spent. I mean all the forums, and critic and so on, I learn from them.
So to all those people I want to thankyou. Jutilda I mention Judy first as she was the first to ever comment on one of my photo's and to this day has commented on most of them she is a true darling, and also to  Kichu and mariuca and  Abra who are always so supportive of what I do.
Also these people who have encouraged me to the upmost : vawendy Yo_Spiff PennyStreet rooum PennyClick daisydavid littlemav chazoe nixter blindjustice Tiny
vlado Qiki Melethia timfythetoo jagar bspurgeon  bwo markwiley sherpet tanguera Bear_Music ubique mcaldo posthumous Cuttooth
The blur queen - YEAH skewsme
You have all made a difference one way or another.
THANKYOU~
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05/17/2012 03:33:34 AM · #65 |
I think we should all remember that people and photographs have one thing in common - they are all seen by others differently.
What I see, you will not, what I think, you will not, what I feel, you will not.
What you see, I will not, what you think, I will not, what you feel, I will not.
What I see in this thread is akin to bullying - it's distasteful and saddens me greatly.
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05/17/2012 04:28:05 AM · #66 |
| My apologies for what I said, this was not my intention. I'll go back to my refuge now. Thanks everyone |
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05/17/2012 06:18:56 AM · #67 |
Don't apologise Margaret well not for the initial post anyway, I personally feel there was no need for the response you received here at all, however on the flip side a couple of comments you made after the initial one didn't show you in a particularly good light either.
Your initial post was not a gloating style post IMHO and when I get that close I too will be very excited I am sure. Had some other members posted that exact same thing I am certain there would have been a very different response, which I find quite uncomfortable.
I am sure you are not the only one who wants to improve their average score received and / or win more ribbons, it's a challenge site afterall, those that say they only use this place as a learning tool and are not interested in ribbons are I feel slightly misguided because if they are asking for guidance from the members / voters then they are asking how to improve their score, which is surely gaining advice on how to move them further towards getting ribbons?
One of my goals is to attempt to get as close as I can to that list before my subscription renews (yeah I know that's some task lol) does that mean I am selling out? I don't see it that way, I am adapting my style to meet the demanding views of the voting population here, I don't have lush scenery, amazing waterfalls, particularly stunning sunsets or the Northern Lights available to me locally so I have to come in from another angle.
I know some people do not shoot for a ribbon, but I suspect the vast majority enter in the hope of getting a top 3 place even if they might know the shot in all likelyhood won't get them there - some people will not want to change what they shoot to get a better chance of achieving a ribbon some will have an idea of what's needed and strive to achieve it.
I'm not sure why some people can shout from the rooftops on here and get nothing but praise, others seem to get chastised for doing the same...
Can't we all just chill out and live and let live?
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05/17/2012 08:12:18 AM · #68 |
| Don't worry Margaret. No matter what you say, you are surely going to piss off SOMEONE!!! It's the nature of a group of individuals, especially when they are putting forth their work in a competitive way. |
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05/17/2012 10:40:28 AM · #69 |
It appears that I am one of the *bullies* mentioned here, so I would like to publicly apologize for my participation in this thread. Margaret, all the best in making the top 50.
As for asking other members for feedback or help with PS and learning how to improve them with solely DPC goals in mind....uhm no. At least not exclusively. I belong to other photo sites skills where I definitely apply skills and knowledge that I first learned here, from members I already know and have some rapport with, which will definitely help with other photographic goals.
So to everyone here, sorry once again for my behaviour, and all the best to everyone. |
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05/17/2012 11:13:01 AM · #70 |
I wasn't necessarily aiming my post at you Susan, and of course I agree that what we learn here will go with us to other sites that we may participate on, however my point is if anyone posts a thread "Why didn't this score higher" then in general they are looking to gain knowledge that would take them further towards gaining a ribbon territory score.
I have gained a lot of knowledge from participating here, I also read a lot of other websites and participate at local club level - plus I came close to getting a runners up place in the photographer of the year competition 2012 (I initially received 5 out of 5 for both technical and creative marks on a portrait shot - reduced later to 4/5 for creative as they worked out the finalists - shot below for anyone interested.
Kelly POTY
Could I have done this prior to joining here? Definitely not and the participation here definitely helped drive me to achieve shots and processing like this. I applaud Margaret for wanting to succeed here and at 500px or where ever else she publishes pictures, if we didn't want some kind of recognition then surely we wouldn't bother uploading our pictures anywhere. Unless of course it is for critique and then why enter public competitions to do that? The only reason I can think of is maybe to improve and get better, there's the crunch though to show improvement on this site might mean you need to process your shots differently more towards the voters tastes than your original style - and this can lead you to get all sorts of accusations thrown at you it seems.
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05/17/2012 11:27:11 AM · #71 |
No idea as to why you are apologizing snaffs, not needed.
No one is taking away any sort of achievement, dreams or goals. It is the attitude and the style of writing that is going wrong here and being taken wrongly, not goals and dreams.
I personally think she has done an amazing job on getting to where she has in such a short time. We all have different goals in life and go about it the way we see fit. No one can take that away from any of us.
But it is the attitude on how we do/say things that affect people. As can be plainly seen in these threads.
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05/17/2012 11:59:42 AM · #72 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
No idea as to why you are apologizing snaffs, not needed.
No one is taking away any sort of achievement, dreams or goals. It is the attitude and the style of writing that is going wrong here and being taken wrongly, not goals and dreams.
I personally think she has done an amazing job on getting to where she has in such a short time. We all have different goals in life and go about it the way we see fit. No one can take that away from any of us.
But it is the attitude on how we do/say things that affect people. As can be plainly seen in these threads. |
(actually, there was no bullying,) but for the record I fully agree. she has some great pictures, and will have many more- that is what its all about in the end. |
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05/17/2012 12:22:11 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Anyway, I am very clear now that I am on the periphery of DPC, I am not part of this crowd. |
This sort of thinking/feeling is at the heart of the friction, I believe. There is no "crowd" at DPC. DPC is composed of a variety of shifting, nebulous "crowds," including a large number of people who will never read this thread.
Anyone who says something interesting might be liked, and will certainly be disliked.
Most of the people getting upset in this thread simply need to adjust their calibrations of what DPC is composed of, and they will no longer be so resentful of "not belonging" nor feel that "what they belong to" is being corrupted. And then they will not be threatened by someone who wants to be a Top 50 Ribbon winner. Nor will they be threatened by people who don't like water drops.
I say all this fully aware that it will piss some people off, yet I don't care. |
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05/17/2012 12:23:00 PM · #74 |
Because my style of writing is too direct, I'm going to beat the dead horse with this quote:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
The one thing that makes a superhero a super, is humility, it's the fact that if you ask him if he is a superhero, he answers "no." |
Margaret, please make no apologies for the fact that as you are about to make your entrance into the Hall of Top 50...shouting "YES!" at the top of your voice.
So, my last two cents on this thread will be...
Good Luck! ;-)
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05/17/2012 01:17:00 PM · #75 |
Time to stop the insanity!!!!!!!!!!!
=P
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