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05/08/2012 09:52:10 AM · #1 |
My generation didn't have the Vietnam War. Neither did my country (Canada) to the extent that the U.S had (I believe Canadian forces to some extent were helping, but to what degree I don't know). I also have no idea what it's like to grow up in a country where there is a draft in order to keep wars going.
That said, people who dodged the draft and now want to have our attention on matters of war IMO are NUTS. Ted Nugent (I honestly never heard of the guy until recently) wants an audience with the troops, to sing and do his thing to 'support' them. He talks like he's a tough SOB...but from what I read he did everything in his power to stay away from Vietnam. SO, when he got all upset that a military base canceled his show because he made comments about Obama, he was furious. Obama is the commander and chief, the top dog in the military (Am I right or wrong here, I really can't say with 100 percent certainty.) Is it any surprise that a show of his would then get canceled? But watching his interviews on the matter he is SUCH and ARROGANT ASS IMO. He dodges a draft, meaning someone else took his placed and perhaps died. He decides to make his millions in music and wants to support wars that I doubt he would actually go to if it were his ass on the line.
Then there's Mitt Romney...he's also a draft dodger. If he dodged the draft HOW can he apply for a job where it will be his duty to send people into war and to their deaths in some cases? That's one of the reasons I didn't mind Kerry. He was there, he knows war. Again, to what extent, I don't know. Obama, he has no war record. I can't say he would have dodged the draft or not. Looking at the previous Bush administration (Full of dodgers) I just can't comprehend seeking a job where you have to tell people "Do as I say, not as I do.". And why people would vote for them knowing that this is the case.
If every country had a leader, and every leader had children, and in every war started the leader would have to send their own children to war, I doubt there would be many wars to fight. Or at least 'diplomatic solutions' would be a more used term when discussing the possibility of war.
All that said, if I were forced to go to war when I disagreed with the reasons for going, I don't know how I'd feel. I'm lucky enough never to have been put in that situation.
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05/08/2012 10:14:25 AM · #2 |
Its all politics, after all didn't Bush senior dodge the draft too?
Its funny how the Republican party supposedly the party of supporting the wars, went out of its way to discredit the purple heart when Kerry tried his to his advantage.
IMO all the political folk are blowhards who will use whatever tactic they can to gain advantage to get themselves and other elected. I try not to pay them too much mind since their stance and values tend to vary on the current political climate.
Message edited by author 2012-05-08 10:14:58. |
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05/08/2012 10:19:06 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Its all politics, after all didn't Bush senior dodge the draft too? |
No he didn't. He fought in WWII, flying torpedo bombers.
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05/08/2012 10:23:47 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
No he didn't. He fought in WWII, flying torpedo bombers.
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maybe its Clinton im thinking of, i cant remember, see i told you i don't pay much mind to this :)
Message edited by author 2012-05-08 11:26:38. |
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05/08/2012 10:27:53 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
maybe its Clinton im thinking of, i cant remember, see i told you i pay much mind to this :) |
Yes, I'm sure that's who you were thinking of.
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05/08/2012 10:54:16 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
IMO all the political folk are blowhards who will use whatever tactic they can to gain advantage to get themselves and other elected. I try not to pay them too much mind since their stance and values tend to vary on the current political climate. |
Agree... They are almost all slime that will do whatever it takes to get elected. I believe at the low levels, there are SOME - not many - people that think they can make a positive difference but at the high levels that is all gone and they are bought and paid for by various special interests at that point.
I honestly don't understand people that cannot see that :shrug: As for the thinking that one party is right and the other evil - spare me. The whole process is so far off the planet that I just don't think it can be fixed. The best we can hope for is gridlock so none of the idiots can do anything serious. |
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05/08/2012 11:30:50 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by robs:
I honestly don't understand people that cannot see that :shrug: As for the thinking that one party is right and the other evil - spare me. The whole process is so far off the planet that I just don't think it can be fixed. The best we can hope for is gridlock so none of the idiots can do anything serious. |
as bad as the presidents are, congress is much worse, the problem is its much harder to get rid of them and they are the ones that have real power..
at least the presidents are limited to terms.
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05/08/2012 11:41:17 AM · #8 |
| Shouldn't this be in the 'Rant' section? |
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05/08/2012 11:58:10 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by larryslights:
Shouldn't this be in the 'Rant' section? |
Agreed, and thusly moved. Please remember that all political threads are only permitted in 'rant'.
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05/08/2012 12:08:18 PM · #10 |
| Really, politics = rants? |
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05/08/2012 12:13:20 PM · #11 |
IMNSHO, we are the problem. Candidates turn to special interests because they have to. The average person does not contribute with money or time to the campaigns. Where else can the go, to try to get their message out? We decry negative ads, and then listen to them and turn away from those who are targeted. When the media tells us that a very good candidate, with good ideas cannot win, because they lack the backing, we listen and they lose.
How many of us can truly say they look at the prospects early in the process, and then back the ones that would actually do what we want? (I'm guilty here as well.)
We accept the choices given, rather than demanding a new direction.
We have met the enemy and he is us. -Pogo
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05/08/2012 01:29:14 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by mike_311:
maybe its Clinton im thinking of, i cant remember, see i told you i pay much mind to this :) |
Yes, I'm sure that's who you were thinking of. |
Their was a flap about George W. Bush's military service, or possible lack thereof -- he definitely avoided any hazardous duty (combat) assignments; he is rputed to have spent considerable time off-base, but did apparently attend often enough to be declared a pilot ...
Obama was only about ten years old when the draft ended in 1972 -- he was required to register with the Selective Service System (where's George Orwell when you need him?) when he turned eighteen, but he has never been subject to being drafted. |
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