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Fujifilm XF 10-24mm f/4 R IOS

04/07/2012 12:58:08 AM · #28

I would suggest looking at the guy who sort of started the trend in grunge photography Andrzej Dragan. His work is haunting, unique and does not rely on overlays. How many guys have a Photshop action named after them?

He hasn't updated his website in too long, wasting his time doing quantum physics research and composing music. Bloody piker.

Message edited by author 2012-04-07 01:02:44.

FourPointX

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

04/07/2012 01:10:54 AM · #29

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

thank you for this

romil

Fujifilm X-Pro2

04/07/2012 01:11:47 AM · #30

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

His work is haunting

So is the website.

What excellent work!

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8G ED VR II

04/07/2012 12:35:54 PM · #31

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

well, it is slice of what has become "grunge" in the broader sense. since i don't have any gritty looking models around, i have to go for inanimate subjects.

kichu

Canon EOS-1000D Rebel XS

04/07/2012 06:17:44 PM · #32

Wow, what a cool challenge!

MattO

Nikon D4

04/08/2012 12:14:58 AM · #33

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

The guy has a PHD in Quantum Physics and is taking photos for a living? Almost seems like a waste of a whole bunch of schooling.

Message edited by author 2012-04-08 00:22:14.

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 16-35 f/4 ED VR

04/08/2012 01:49:35 AM · #34

Originally posted by MattO:

The guy has a PHD in Quantum Physics and is taking photos for a living? Almost seems like a waste of a whole bunch of schooling.

The photography thing is a sideline, being an award winning photographer and a nominee for the Cannes Lion award at the Cannes Festival seems not to have taken him from the oh so sexy world of single photon communication through noisy quantum channels
"Member and former scientific secretary of the Head Commitee of the Physics Olympiad, currently working as an assistant professor of physics at Warsaw University.
Author of 20 scientific and popular-scientific articles (the former for the Scientific Encyclopediae PWN, Scientific American - Polish edition and others), university handbook on the Einsteinâ��s special relativity. Tutor at the Polish Childrenâ��s Fund.
In the past Andrzej was a winner of many national and international music-composing competitions."

In short, he is the man.

Neat

Canon Canon 1d x Mark II

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

04/08/2012 08:07:31 AM · #35

So how do we know which overlays are acceptable, would these be?

mbrutus2009

Nikon D850

04/08/2012 09:21:51 AM · #36

Originally posted by GeneralE:

AFAIK you are welcome to use any of the images in the DPC Textures Library gallery.

Exactly what I wanted to hear! Thank you, sir! :)

hajeka

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS USM

04/08/2012 11:21:32 AM · #37

Still no clue what "grunge" means :( I found this definition: "The state of being covered with unclean things". Is this a correct description?

Kelli

Canon EOS-D60

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

04/08/2012 12:03:41 PM · #38

Originally posted by hajeka:

Still no clue what "grunge" means :( I found this definition: "The state of being covered with unclean things". Is this a correct description?

Yes, kind of. Think dirty processing. Scratches, blotches, that kind of thing.

04/08/2012 01:09:16 PM · #39

Originally posted by Kelli:

or, extreme detail and in-you-face colors... look at the previous challenge. my 1-word definitions would be "edgy", "vintage", "punk", "bold"

and maybe "darK and "moody", too

Message edited by author 2012-04-08 13:10:20.

04/08/2012 05:33:57 PM · #40

for those that want to feature texture in a way that may be judged against the rules due to authorship and capture date, here are few things around the house i came up with to make and capture my own textures

-metal baking sheet... all the residue accumulated over time gives some great brown splotchy tones, not to mention the dents and scratches

-plastic wrap on a sheet of glass (or window pane or mirror) with water in between

-paper with slightly burnt edges

bspurgeon

Fujifilm x100

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

04/09/2012 05:07:02 PM · #41

Originally posted by hajeka:

Still no clue what "grunge" means :( I found this definition: "The state of being covered with unclean things". Is this a correct description?

Yes, and no. :)

As I "grew" up grunge in the 90s, I have always found the use of this term erroneous, or at least, misplaced, with respect to photography. I don't get it. The firstchallenge bothered me. I thought the entire top 10 missed the point of grunge, at least the music/social movement from a Gen X perspective.

Not a single image attempted to demonstrate a connection of lyrical angst, or the trans-generational youthful desire for social freedom (political and parental, etc). No attempt to display that youthful pent-up high energy. No images exploring teen/young adult apathy. In the top 10,

Bassbone came close, but his image was too stylized and mainstream, in my opinion, but I recall it represented what many saw as grunge photography.

I would urge you to explore the current idea of "grunge photography" and it's relevance with the social movement of 20 years ago. Textured overlays, faded colors, tone mapping, and dirty-pretty-faces with glorious eyes will not cut it in my opinion. There needs to be real, or implied, emotion.

04/09/2012 05:18:41 PM · #42

Originally posted by bspurgeon:

Originally posted by hajeka:
Still no clue what "grunge" means :( I found this definition: "The state of being covered with unclean things". Is this a correct description?

Yes, and no. :)

As I "grew" up grunge in the 90s, I have always found the use of this term erroneous, or at least, misplaced, with respect to photography. I don't get it. The firstchallenge bothered me. I thought the entire top 10 missed the point of grunge, at least the music/social movement from a Gen X perspective.

Not a single image attempted to demonstrate a connection of lyrical angst, or the trans-generational youthful desire for social freedom (political and parental, etc). No attempt to display that youthful pent-up high energy. No images exploring teen/young adult apathy. In the top 10, Bassbone came close, but his image was too stylized and mainstream, in my opinion, but I recall it represented what many saw as grunge photography.

I would urge you to explore the current idea of "grunge photography" and it's relevance with the social movement of 20 years ago. Textured overlays, faded colors, tone mapping, and dirty-pretty-faces with glorious eyes will not cut it in my opinion. There needs to be real, or implied, emotion.

well, glad to see you are calling for more emotion. i was a bit hesitant to enter something emotional (or negative), but will certainly consider it a possibility now.

04/09/2012 06:44:51 PM · #43

Originally posted by hajeka:

Still no clue what "grunge" means :( I found this definition: "The state of being covered with unclean things". Is this a correct description?

To my experience the term Grunge first became popular with the Seattle sound of the early 80s. Listen to Mudhoney, Soundgarden or Nirvana and you hear an intentionally low tech, distorted, stripped down sound that focused on dark subjects and very personal feelings. It is loud angry and niceties are skipped. No sunsets, no love songs. It never purrs, it growls.

The photography style that took the same name follows many of the precepts. It tends towards gritty images and likes the dark, both in subject matter and luminosity. It does not try for polished images, quite the reverse, often adding noise through textures to the image to increase the intended emotional impact. High contrast, moody, angry, depressive, and low tech distortion.

MargaretNet

Sony DSC-RX100 VII

04/09/2012 06:59:30 PM · #44

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

The photography style that took the same name follows many of the precepts. It tends towards gritty images and likes the dark, both in subject matter and luminosity. It does not try for polished images, quite the reverse, often adding noise through textures to the image to increase the intended emotional impact. High contrast, moody, angry, depressive, and low tech distortion.

I just tried that approach and produced something very gloomy, dirty, depressing. I submitted it and then unsubmitted. I just can't stand it! Although I like to see a challenge with a high focus on PP I would prefer the sixties culture with happy flower people and not gloomy, depressing eighties.

Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX Aspherical DG HSM for Nikon

04/09/2012 07:32:41 PM · #45

Originally posted by MargaretN:

Although I like to see a challenge with a high focus on PP I would prefer the sixties culture with happy flower people and not gloomy, depressing eighties.

I will be willing to bet that will be an opinion shared by many of the voters. Who has the temperament to wade through dozens of grungy images and not be happy to see a ray of sunshine, not matter what the challenge is.

Message edited by author 2012-04-09 19:41:08.

Neat

Canon Canon 1d x Mark II

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

04/09/2012 07:36:37 PM · #46

I don't think it needs to look depressing at all.

bohemka

Nikon D700

04/09/2012 07:53:36 PM · #47

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

For days I thought this challenge had everything to do with just that, as it was announced the day after the anniversary of Cobain's death. Turns out I was way off. Or maybe not. [/former seattelite]

Brent_S

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II

04/09/2012 08:55:16 PM · #48

Originally posted by BrennanOB:

Originally posted by MargaretN:
Although I like to see a challenge with a high focus on PP I would prefer the sixties culture with happy flower people and not gloomy, depressing eighties.

I will be willing to bet that will be an opinion shared by many of the voters. Who has the temperament to wade through dozens of grungy images and not be happy to see a ray of sunshine, not matter what the challenge is.

Well I will keep an open mind for happy or depressing images. But it's very hard to deny that gloomy and depressing fits this genre well. So it would be very "depressing" to see some entries scored down just because they are depressing like so many other entries in the gallery. It's "grunge" after all! ;)

romil

Fujifilm X-Pro2

Fujifilm XF 10-24mm f/4 R IOS

04/09/2012 10:32:55 PM · #49

Can we put grunge text on our photos?