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04/15/2004 04:10:52 PM · #101 |
Originally posted by jonr:
I would go for the D70, it has very important feature over 10D and 300D: Spot meter.
P.S. I went for Olympus E-1 myself. |
Thank God there is another one out there (-: I looked at both the 10D and the E-1. The E-1 felt so much better and as far as image quality I perfered the E-1. Also lighter, Great lenses, Weather proof. Much less work in post processing also. Very very true looking color but from what I have seen from the D70 it comes close. Also with the FL50 flash you can synk up to 1/4000 in FP mode.
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04/15/2004 04:38:33 PM · #102 |
If you're not kidding, have fun :) :P
I could use a 1D mark ii -- it's the perfect camera for me.. i don't really need the 8 fps, but the precise autofocus and metering is what i want, as well as the 8 megapixels + the low noise pattern at high iso's.
Maybe i'll just get my wife a D70 -- that way, she'll get a good kit lens with it, and if she wants more, she'll have to get the rest herself :) If you have the same "line" of lenses, pretty soon you'd compete against each other for the same lens anyway.
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by paganini:
You need to sell your D60 and get a 1D Mark II :) Give your D60 to your wife. Then i'd be drooling over YOUR camera!!!
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I'm getting a 22Mp Leaf Valeo Mamiya instead.
I've had it with small file sizes. I'm looking forward to my first top 5 placing with it and then finding who wants the 132Mb file sent their way for verification.
My wife is in the process of stealing my D60. |
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04/15/2004 05:12:37 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by paganini:
If you're not kidding, have fun :) :P |
I'll be sure and post some samples...
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04/15/2004 05:17:26 PM · #104 |
You're NOT HELPING!!
:o)
:oP
It's really down to the size/ grip problem. If the D70 were even approaching the comfort of shape of the 300D we'd have bought it ALREADY!
Goshdarnit.
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04/15/2004 05:25:16 PM · #105 |
| To reiterate Gordon's comment, the battery grip may not be a bad idea for a 300D. |
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04/15/2004 05:29:27 PM · #106 |
Just to throw my two cents in, cosidering I am not a dSLR owner, but the difference in the iso, though small might make a difference. The D70 starts at 200 where both Canon models start at 100.
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04/15/2004 06:32:13 PM · #107 |
You mentioned the viewfinder grid on the D70 before - I doubt it is going to make or break your purchasing decision, but I think I read that it can be turned off in the menu.
(p.s. go for the D70 - its the one I want = P
Message edited by author 2004-04-15 18:32:44.
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04/15/2004 06:35:53 PM · #108 |
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04/15/2004 08:45:02 PM · #109 |
Kavey, go with the one that's comfortable. I got the Nikon F5 a few years back. Used it for a week, brought it back and downgraded it to a N60. The F5 was just too heavy and aggrivated my tendonitis something fierce. It was just no fun to shoot with.
You have got to be comfortable when you are using the gear. It's just no fun to feel like you are battling your camera.
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04/15/2004 08:55:27 PM · #110 |
this is also iso1600
no weird pattern in the noise, just fine grained noise in the shadows.
I LOVE this camera!
//www.pbase.com/image/23603381
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04/15/2004 09:20:45 PM · #111 |
Leica makes another fine camera. :-)
Message edited by author 2004-04-15 21:21:00.
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04/15/2004 10:21:38 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Leica makes another fine camera. :-) |
I was just considering the new Leica as an alternative to the 10D in this thread. I didn't know that it would seem like a step above the 7i for Kavey's use, but it sure seems like an interesting tool camera.
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04/15/2004 11:31:32 PM · #113 |
You're kidding right? Look at the guy's clothes -- green with a ton of noises. If you look at the out of focus area, you can still see the lines -- it's just that the 50mm shot that i got had a lot more contrast, and thus the noises are easily seen.
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
this is also iso1600
no weird pattern in the noise, just fine grained noise in the shadows.
I LOVE this camera!
//www.pbase.com/image/23603381 |
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04/15/2004 11:51:49 PM · #114 |
not kidding at all. your iso1600 sample looks really bad compared to mine. maybe you underexposed it and raised the noise in levels or something. or maybe you got a bad camera .. :(
Originally posted by paganini:
You're kidding right? Look at the guy's clothes -- green with a ton of noises. If you look at the out of focus area, you can still see the lines -- it's just that the 50mm shot that i got had a lot more contrast, and thus the noises are easily seen.
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
this is also iso1600
no weird pattern in the noise, just fine grained noise in the shadows.
I LOVE this camera!
//www.pbase.com/image/23603381 |
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Message edited by author 2004-04-15 23:54:15.
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04/16/2004 12:05:47 AM · #115 |
Actually - my mistake. It was ISO3200 and it was bumped up exposurewise by 0.5 stop -- so maybe it's no so bad after all :) Though the noise pattern is still there in ISO1600 shots (just harder to see, but you can see the annoying color noise still).
Here's the ISO1600 photo -- phew, looks more like your camera :) //photography.consultku.com/felicia_concert/crw_5603_std.jpg Stil, you can see the pattern in his shirt (at an angle), and similar patterns in your photo as well on his shirt.
Message edited by author 2004-04-16 00:11:23. |
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04/16/2004 09:02:58 AM · #116 |
Originally posted by Maverick:
You mentioned the viewfinder grid on the D70 before - I doubt it is going to make or break your purchasing decision, but I think I read that it can be turned off in the menu.
(p.s. go for the D70 - its the one I want = P |
The grid can be turned on or off. Actually found it helpful last night while practicing lake sunset shots. Have had several comments regarding my tendency to "tilt" horizons and the grid was very helpful in aligning the opposite shore line on the correct horizontal axis. It also made framing into 3rds extremely easy. Certainly not a tool for everyone, but with the ability to display it or not, it is another feature for consideration. I'm glad it is there.
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04/16/2004 11:58:59 AM · #117 |
yes. that's alot more like it.
but to me, that's excellent. when you compare what this machine does to how well the previous generation performed, you become aware that we are working with some seriously nice technology :)
Originally posted by paganini:
Actually - my mistake. It was ISO3200 and it was bumped up exposurewise by 0.5 stop -- so maybe it's no so bad after all :) Though the noise pattern is still there in ISO1600 shots (just harder to see, but you can see the annoying color noise still).
Here's the ISO1600 photo -- phew, looks more like your camera :) //photography.consultku.com/felicia_concert/crw_5603_std.jpg Stil, you can see the pattern in his shirt (at an angle), and similar patterns in your photo as well on his shirt. |
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04/16/2004 12:01:54 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
but to me, that's excellent. when you compare what this machine does to how well the previous generation performed, you become aware that we are working with some seriously nice technology :) |
And doubly so if you've ever shot ISO 1600 film in the same situation... |
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04/16/2004 12:12:29 PM · #119 |
I'll just add my $.02 here to say that I love my D70. I've never owned a DSLR before, and after two weeks, I'm very comfortable with my new best friend. If you don't like the way the images look out of the box, then a big advantage the D70 has over the Rebel is the ability to customize. A custom tone curve and some custom white balance settings and my images are looking the way I want them to.
And, in case this hasn't been posted yet, there's another rave review for it here:
//www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D70/D70A.HTM |
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04/16/2004 12:30:58 PM · #120 |
Originally posted by dsawchuk:
I'll just add my $.02 here to say that I love my D70. I've never owned a DSLR before, and after two weeks, I'm very comfortable with my new best friend. If you don't like the way the images look out of the box, then a big advantage the D70 has over the Rebel is the ability to customize. A custom tone curve and some custom white balance settings and my images are looking the way I want them to.
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Just for clarity - you can do similar things with either the D70, Rebel, or 10D.
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04/16/2004 03:58:04 PM · #121 |
.. you will find that the noise pattern is far more pleasent -- seriously, the noise patterns on film is very grainy but it doesn't have noticeable patterns.
Actually, mag -- i think the Canon 10D is an excellent camera (except for how it feels in the hand, i think Nikon beats Canon on that in anything they make. The 10D feels really clunky compared to the D100) but there are a few issues with it which Nikon does a better job with. It's all in the details -- and I think the reason why Canon doesn't seem to care is that they are a consumer company (i.e. mass production), while Nikon builds cameras primarily as a niche thing. I doubt NIkon makes much money from the camera business versus their steppers business.
Originally posted by EddyG:
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
but to me, that's excellent. when you compare what this machine does to how well the previous generation performed, you become aware that we are working with some seriously nice technology :) |
And doubly so if you've ever shot ISO 1600 film in the same situation... |
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04/16/2004 04:01:00 PM · #122 |
Originally posted by paganini:
I doubt NIkon makes much money from the camera business versus their steppers business. |
//www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/portfolio/index.htm has some info on that in the pie charts. It looks like over time 'imaging equipment' is increasingly what Nikon is about. It could just be the massive semiconductor industry downturn that hurt Nikon's stepper business so much, which may well ramp in 2004/2005
They break it down as
Precision equipment 'Development, manufacture and sales of IC and LCD steppers'
Imaging 'Development, manufacture and sales of silver halide cameras, digital cameras, interchangeable camera lenses photographic accessories and film scanners'
Instruments 'Development, manufacture and sales of biological microscopes, industrial microscopes, measuring instruments and inspection equipment'
For comparison, here's how Canon breaks down //www.canon.com/finance/chart/03.html
So from these, I'd say Nikon is more of a camera company than Canon these days, though Canon have about 3x larger camera business.
Though I believe Nokia outsell them both in terms of camera units. What was the original question again ? :)
Message edited by author 2004-04-16 16:20:58.
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04/16/2004 04:05:34 PM · #123 |
I think you can't got wrong with any of these three.
Honestly, I think the image quality between them all is neglible, like a 5% variance between them. Probably the most important issue is how they feel to you; go and hold them and shoot with them. I own both canon and nikon products, but I just bought a D70 myself; I fell in love with the fast, solid action of the d70 body, but the 10d is great too. One small niggle to consider is that if this is your first slr, nikon currently has probably the best "digital" slr lens out there in the 18-70 3.5-4.5 dx. But yeah, for the most part, its the subsidary stuff that matters with these bodies, in other words, personal preference. Just my $0.02.
Just for reference, I'm keeping my Canon S400, and will even consider future Canon DSLR's, I'm not going to lock myself into any one system, because I think they're all great and will continue to leapfrog each other in terms of being great. |
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04/16/2004 04:54:29 PM · #124 |
Last night.
JPEG Fine L
Message edited by author 2004-04-16 16:56:00.
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04/16/2004 06:01:36 PM · #125 |
Maybe in recent years -- but traditionally Nikon has always been the "pro's" choice in the equipment. They're simply better designed from a user point of view than Canon :) And I use a Canon camera!
(Just pick up a Nikon camera and hold it in your hand, whether it's D100, D1H, D70. It'll feel better than the 10D, much more balanced).
For the same price segment, D70 is superior than DRebel and even the 10D -- better autofocus, way better matrix metering, etc.
But if you look on DPreivew, everyone is measurabating on the "moire" issue :)
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by paganini:
I doubt NIkon makes much money from the camera business versus their steppers business. |
//www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/portfolio/index.htm has some info on that in the pie charts. It looks like over time 'imaging equipment' is increasingly what Nikon is about. It could just be the massive semiconductor industry downturn that hurt Nikon's stepper business so much, which may well ramp in 2004/2005
They break it down as
Precision equipment 'Development, manufacture and sales of IC and LCD steppers'
Imaging 'Development, manufacture and sales of silver halide cameras, digital cameras, interchangeable camera lenses photographic accessories and film scanners'
Instruments 'Development, manufacture and sales of biological microscopes, industrial microscopes, measuring instruments and inspection equipment'
For comparison, here's how Canon breaks down //www.canon.com/finance/chart/03.html
So from these, I'd say Nikon is more of a camera company than Canon these days, though Canon have about 3x larger camera business.
Though I believe Nokia outsell them both in terms of camera units. What was the original question again ? :) |
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