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 02/26/2012 12:00:23 PM · #51
And the least trolled image on DPC with only 1 5:


Message edited by author 2012-02-26 12:02:13.
 02/26/2012 08:35:08 PM · #52
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
... I can vote in the footwear challenge, but since I'm in it, won't. I can't be objective seeing my score...

I see this assertion from quite a few people. Myopia and arrogance mask a lack of self confidence. It's the mindset of the rank amateur.


I am neither and I do not vote where I play. I leave that to people like you. Standing behind the door I presume. The way you troll words around makes me wonder if it is only in scoring we have a problem.

Message edited by author 2012-02-26 20:38:05.
 02/26/2012 09:19:50 PM · #53
Doc,
Can you take another run at that.? I wasn't able to follow your thought on that one but ive had a couple of pints. One should be able to vote objectively on a challenge that one enters. I find myself voting an average much higher than any of my images score. :)
I knw what I like and I try to make an image that is close to what I see in my head. Frequently, others make images that are fantastic while I have a visual "speech impediment". I can still appreciate others work in spite of my vision being much better than their finished product... I just can't bring my vision into the world for others like I see it. XD
Tongue firmly in cheek, but you get my drift.
 03/10/2012 12:26:47 AM · #54


I rarely look at the breakdown of scores but the lack of votes in the nether regions caught my eye.
 03/10/2012 01:38:15 AM · #55
Maybe it's a sign of voter homogeneity. A sort of groupthink.
 03/10/2012 02:38:08 AM · #56
Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:


I rarely look at the breakdown of scores but the lack of votes in the nether regions caught my eye.


It was the least objectionable picture, maybe? I gave it 7 and I was probably too mean.

And it's further proof that you need to replace this because it's clearly nonsense:
Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:
Signature: I take boring pictures.. and I'm rubbish at b/w conversions.
 03/10/2012 02:55:24 AM · #57
Just read this entire thread and felt the need to contribute on the side topic that has emerged. I gave Lallisig's image a 10.

I don't think I fall cleanly into the categories of viewer some of you have speculated about - I'm not a 'newbie', I'm not one to be 'simply' wowed by scenic grandeur, but I do confess to enjoy well made model shots (feel free to roll eyes).

What might surprise some is that I found I was (in my mind) rewarding exactly the same things that I reward in the more unconventional images we see on DPC. Vision and a commitment to represent it comprehensively.

The image in question is wonderfully contrived - it conveyed to me a sense of the photographer achieving a very particular vision; I got a palpable sense that the image was constructed with intent and precision - for me, that becomes craft. It is the communication of intent-achieved that pushes my buttons across a range of images and this image did that in spades. I see no aesthetic contradiction when I note that my overall average-given to Lallisig and say Ubique are in similar (and ribbon scoring) territory despite my overall average-given (to everybody) is lower than the DPC mean.

I therefore (somewhat cheerfully) resented some of the suggestions made in this thread that the 10-scorers were in some way shallow in their judgement.
 03/10/2012 03:14:01 AM · #58
Originally posted by paulbtlw:
Just read this entire thread and felt the need to contribute on the side topic that has emerged. I gave Lallisig's image a 10.

I don't think I fall cleanly into the categories of viewer some of you have speculated about - I'm not a 'newbie', I'm not one to be 'simply' wowed by scenic grandeur, but I do confess to enjoy well made model shots (feel free to roll eyes).

What might surprise some is that I found I was (in my mind) rewarding exactly the same things that I reward in the more unconventional images we see on DPC. Vision and a commitment to represent it comprehensively.

The image in question is wonderfully contrived - it conveyed to me a sense of the photographer achieving a very particular vision; I got a palpable sense that the image was constructed with intent and precision - for me, that becomes craft. It is the communication of intent-achieved that pushes my buttons across a range of images and this image did that in spades. I see no aesthetic contradiction when I note that my overall average-given to Lallisig and say Ubique are in similar (and ribbon scoring) territory despite my overall average-given (to everybody) is lower than the DPC mean.

I therefore (somewhat cheerfully) resented some of the suggestions made in this thread that the 10-scorers were in some way shallow in their judgement.


Well mate, you make about half a dozen very good points here, none of which I can reasonably dismiss. You and I clearly intersect quite profoundly at times, especially in appreciation of each others stuff, and often of certain other people's stuff, but at other times we part company and by quite a margin.

I have thought about why this should be so, and here's what I concluded. You're a real photographer, and I'm not. I don't care at all for the craft of photography, and you revere it. I love some pictures that are of willfully low fidelity and are photographically subversive, mainly because they are photographically subversive, whereas you quite evidently have more refined, even loftier standards of photographic appreciation (no patronising intended). That means you have a much wider, more tolerant and less prejudiced critical spectrum than do I. I am an intolerant curmudgeon and you are not. That's about it.

Message edited by author 2012-03-10 03:14:51.
 03/10/2012 03:22:13 AM · #59
Originally posted by ubique:
Originally posted by paulbtlw:
Just read this entire thread and felt the need to contribute on the side topic that has emerged. I gave Lallisig's image a 10.

I don't think I fall cleanly into the categories of viewer some of you have speculated about - I'm not a 'newbie', I'm not one to be 'simply' wowed by scenic grandeur, but I do confess to enjoy well made model shots (feel free to roll eyes).

What might surprise some is that I found I was (in my mind) rewarding exactly the same things that I reward in the more unconventional images we see on DPC. Vision and a commitment to represent it comprehensively.

The image in question is wonderfully contrived - it conveyed to me a sense of the photographer achieving a very particular vision; I got a palpable sense that the image was constructed with intent and precision - for me, that becomes craft. It is the communication of intent-achieved that pushes my buttons across a range of images and this image did that in spades. I see no aesthetic contradiction when I note that my overall average-given to Lallisig and say Ubique are in similar (and ribbon scoring) territory despite my overall average-given (to everybody) is lower than the DPC mean.

I therefore (somewhat cheerfully) resented some of the suggestions made in this thread that the 10-scorers were in some way shallow in their judgement.


Well mate, you make about half a dozen very good points here, none of which I can reasonably dismiss. You and I clearly intersect quite profoundly at times, especially in appreciation of each others stuff, and often of certain other people's stuff, but at other times we part company and by quite a margin.

I have thought about why this should be so, and here's what I concluded. You're a real photographer, and I'm not. I don't care at all for the craft of photography, and you revere it. I love some pictures that are of willfully low fidelity and are photographically subversive, mainly because they are photographically subversive, whereas you quite evidently have more refined, even loftier standards of photographic appreciation (no patronising intended). That means you have a much wider, more tolerant and less prejudiced critical spectrum than do I. I am an intolerant curmudgeon and you are not. That's about it.


It's killing me... I just can't figure him out. Is he serious? or is this just a part of his "artistic" approach to life? I honestly cannot tell which side of the fence this falls on. (nor can I usually figure this out with ubique's posts)
 03/10/2012 08:15:20 AM · #60
Haha! Yes Cory, I am serious. It's perfectly true that paulbtlw is an accomplished photographer, in the craftsmanship sense, and I'm not. I like photographs, but photography as a craft doesn't interest me much. I'm as happy with a Lomo or an iPhone as I am with a Hasselblad; makes little difference to me.

So the reason that Paul and I judged the Lallisig photograph discussed in this thread so differently is that the things that he so appreciated and admired about it are simply of no consequence to me.

It is, as you say, a matter of my 'artistic' approach to life. Not a superior approach, not an inferior approach, just different. There's room for that, even at DPC, surely?

03/10/2012 09:14:03 AM · #61
i gave it a 10,

fit semi naked bird, nice sky, 10 move on :)

but alas im an uncouthed digger driver though so what can you expect :)
 03/10/2012 10:27:27 AM · #62


This image got 28 ones and 6 tens. I left too much to the imagination for most people, I knew that when I submitted it.

ubique says it very well, +1 on what he said. It's possible for the very same reasons that 2 voters should give opposite votes. Not all low votes are trolls. I find technical perfection to be intimidating, something like an attempt to bully me into accepting the photographer's vision at face value & to prevent me from using my vision to see it my way. Mostly, that works. I gave the shot in question a 6.



I find it interesting that the people who admire technical perfection and the craft of photography can be so energetic about promoting their values. Starting threads like this one, for example. The people who don't admire technical perfection don't start threads like this because it's not interesting, it's of no consequence. There is no thread complaining that the winning shot got only 3 votes of 1.

The only thread I know of that recognizes & rewards qualities other than technical perfection is the Posthumous Awards thread (& the SC threads). I have learned a lot at this site from the it & from diversity of opinions expressed in the forums. One thing I know for sure is that technical perfection is not my priority.

And while I've got the keyboard under my fingers, I'd like to ask what is the point in taking artificial light with you out under the wonderful Icelandic sky? Other than to turn that sky into a paper backdrop for your perfectly lit subject. Lots of photographers do it. I assume it's because the photographer wants no ambiguity in the image, no chance to see the photo in any other way but one.

Just sayin'.

Message edited by author 2012-03-10 10:32:34.
 03/10/2012 02:12:37 PM · #63
Originally posted by pixelpig:

And while I've got the keyboard under my fingers, I'd like to ask what is the point in taking artificial light with you out under the wonderful Icelandic sky? Other than to turn that sky into a paper backdrop for your perfectly lit subject. Lots of photographers do it. I assume it's because the photographer wants no ambiguity in the image, no chance to see the photo in any other way but one.

Just sayin'.


You're right a lot of pro photographers are that way even when the're not creating advertisements. I'm often puzzled when I look at some of their personal work only to see that it looks exactly like their commercial work. It's as if they are as plastic and shallow as the work they get paid to do. One can only surmise that it's just about the money and they have no real vision of their own. There use to be a time when you could be a pro and still create something of substance, but that requires more effort, more skill on the part of the photographer and time is money so it was cut. Besides, it didn't really help to push more product anyway.

As voters on this site we have the same mindset. We reward the photos that are the best advertisements for the chosen challenge theme, never mind that the photos may not be any good on their own or something you can connect with in a tangible way. Doesn't matter because apparently we're all here to just find out which photo sells best to the masses and nothing more. Substance be damn.

Message edited by author 2012-03-10 14:14:55.
 03/10/2012 02:23:00 PM · #64
Originally posted by pixelpig:

ubique says it very well,


He most certainly does...in a clear, succinct and direct way. However, to date he has not managed to convince me that some of the images warrant scores in the upper echelons.

There are indeed quality images in the Posthumous genre, but many I would consider as falling in the realm of pseudo avant-garde, and truly not worthy of a great deal of consideration.

Isn't it nice that we can view things from a different perspective and have a civil discourse about it?

Just another man's view.

Ray
 03/10/2012 04:59:40 PM · #65
Well I finally achieved it




03/10/2012 05:47:33 PM · #66
Originally posted by ubique:
It's perfectly true that paulbtlw is an accomplished photographer, in the craftsmanship sense, and I'm not.


I suck at photography, too! Can we start a 12-step group?
 03/11/2012 02:26:20 PM · #67
Originally posted by ubique:
Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:


I rarely look at the breakdown of scores but the lack of votes in the nether regions caught my eye.


It was the least objectionable picture, maybe? I gave it 7 and I was probably too mean.

And it's further proof that you need to replace this because it's clearly nonsense:
Originally posted by UrfaTheGreat:
Signature: I take boring pictures.. and I'm rubbish at b/w conversions.


Thanks! Though I'll still maintain that B/W is a worthy foe I am not even close to taming.
 03/11/2012 03:47:12 PM · #68
Thank you pixelpig for your post. I rarely vote because I am stymied when I run across (most of) these spectacularly orchestrated and cunningly executed entries, the ones that summon up no gladness at all in my wicked little heart but instead a cacophony of despair...
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