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02/11/2012 05:28:03 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
This was a chance to explore what people think is art. This is a chance to give some of us the guts to enter something that's least than perfect, but might be considered art. This is more of an exploration challenge, imo. My best photography picture is certainly not what I would consider the most artistic. |
Oh boy! We get into a lot of troubled waters here!
It seems that in the recent discussions art was equated with least than perfect, blur, B&W, flawed composition, body parts, grain, abstraction or "anything goes" type of attitude or perception ....
(A lot of artists would cringe now)
If "My best photography picture is certainly not what I would consider the most artistic" then we shall also ban all of the above from this new Best of 2011 to start form scratch and define art in a pure form.
Art does not exclude "perfection", does not exclude mastering technique, tripod or studio shots either in favor of some kind of nonchalance or negligent treatment.
Without wanting to re-open a can of worms, I am all for another Best of 2011 in advanced editing, without commercial purposes.
As to What's Art discussions, they are inevitable but surely desirable here or elsewhere. Part of the gymnastic of the mind.
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02/11/2012 06:00:16 PM · #27 |
That's why it would be : enter what you consider to be your most artistic shot. Not what others would call your most artistic shot.
Message edited by author 2012-02-11 18:01:40. |
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02/11/2012 06:06:36 PM · #28 |
If what is being discussed here is an opportunity for another best of 2011 contest that would allow us to enter our most artful gesture of the year, please..... bring it on.
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02/11/2012 06:41:15 PM · #29 |
| Ohhhhhhhhhh Yeah! Count me in for sure! |
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02/11/2012 06:48:40 PM · #30 |
I love this! Yes, but for my most artful expression I really must have EXPERT EDITING allowing as many captures as you want (yours, from 2011) and any editing you like. It'd be even more fun if it was a speed challenge. We've already looked thru the archives. A speed challenge would be a great stimulation to the artistic nerves. I think it'd be fun to vote it in a speed-vote, too.
Message edited by author 2012-02-11 18:49:12. |
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02/11/2012 07:26:32 PM · #31 |
I support Wendy's idea as she expressed it. If that's the way it runs I'll be in it.
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02/11/2012 07:28:19 PM · #32 |
this idea, while very well meant, only tells me that artists (visa vi commercial, stock and portrait photographers) really dont have a place here. so lets cut to the chase ... is there any way to split DPC into two distinct groups?! fine art photography goes nowhere here for obvious reasons. I find this challenge suggestion, while well meant Im sure, an insult. or simply the slap in the face I need to once and for all bail on DPC. I love the format and mechanics of DPC, but the overwhelming demographics have artists at such a disadvantage that it has resulted in the "self selection" process that sadly results in the artists gradually trailing off into non-participation.
I would only support this idea if all the "pros" sat it out. otherwise we know they would still enter their megabuck model or wedding outtakes or their product placement or food-color water drops stuff. we admire their skills and of course their business success, but really now. time for a parting of the ways.
Originally posted by vawendy:
With all of the discussions recently of photography vs art,
And with all of the discussions in the best of scores thread,
Let's see if we can have an Art of 2011 challenge.
Challenge description: You've submitted your best photograph of 2011, but it may not be your most artistic shot. Here's your chance. Find a shot taken in 2011 that fits your definitition of "art".
There's still time -- if we can talk Langdon into doing it quickly, we probably still have some things in the back of our mind from searching for best of.
If you're interested, respond here, but I'm also posting it on the get satisfaction DPC ideas site -- maybe we'd get more notice if we responded there.
Could be a lot of fun.
Maybe the jury would even volunteer to be a part of this? |
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02/11/2012 07:40:06 PM · #33 |
| I have to agree with Jim in that those that don't shoot mainstream slick, stock images and enjoy more of the fine art style have now become at a disadvantage and the sites seems to be trending more towards digital art and advertising type shots and less and less towards the more pure photograph. :/ ...But, that is a topic for a different thread. |
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02/11/2012 07:41:10 PM · #34 |
Message edited by author 2012-02-11 19:41:33. |
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02/11/2012 07:42:25 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by bergiekat:
I have to agree with Jim in that those that don't shoot mainstream slick, stock images and enjoy more of the fine art style have now become at a disadvantage and the sites seems to be trending more towards digital art and advertising type shots and less and less towards the more pure photograph. :/ ...But, that is a topic for a different thread. |
That's the whole purpose in this challenge -- for people to find their more artistic side. It's an attempt for everyone to really sit back and figure out what they consider artistic in their own work. For many, this is natural, for others, it's a different way of looking at things. So it's an attempt to widen the circle, not narrow it.
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02/11/2012 07:55:49 PM · #36 |
I think this would be a very interesting "exercise", lol, as some will find themselves total like a duck out of water. Since I prefer more FineArt style...what are you proposing as your version of ART and not FineArt? Maybe my own confusion is what is getting me. :)
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02/11/2012 08:00:40 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by bergiekat:
I think this would be a very interesting "exercise", lol, as some will find themselves total like a duck out of water. Since I prefer more FineArt style...what are you proposing as your version of ART and not FineArt? Maybe my own confusion is what is getting me. :) |
That's exactly what it is: an exercise. Everyone has their own definition of art. It's time to see what that is. My entry in best of is my best photograph, not my most artistic photo.
Oldbimmercoupe's post completely floored me, because I wouldn't really consider stock photography art. Since we seem to have conversations about art, what about bringing it down to the basic level. Have everyone show us their most artistic photo. |
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02/11/2012 09:12:39 PM · #38 |
| This is confusing to me now... I consider most of my photos art. That's what they are, they were taken for no other purpose. Is photography for the sake of photography anything but art? |
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02/11/2012 09:38:24 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by HawkinsT:
This is confusing to me now... I consider most of my photos art. That's what they are, they were taken for no other purpose. Is photography for the sake of photography anything but art? |
That's the question. |
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02/11/2012 09:41:19 PM · #40 |
Oh yay! Another shot at a mediocre score! :-)
(I'll probably pass, thanks. But I would like to see how it plays out just the same.) |
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02/11/2012 09:42:19 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Oh yay! Another shot at a mediocre score! :-)
(I'll probably pass, thanks. But I would like to see how it plays out just the same.) |
Silly woman, you have lots and lots to enter for this. |
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02/11/2012 10:14:24 PM · #42 |
This is a nice idea in that maybe some people could hopefully have fun with it.
Personally, I see a lot of potential for grief doled out by voters with wildly differing ideas on what a good shot for the topic should be. I'm in enough pain already from my Best of 2011 entry, lol! I would sit this one out... |
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02/11/2012 11:41:17 PM · #43 |
Good I saw this thread..
I was about to put all my best of outtakes in side challenges.. :D
I like the idea. Like best of 2011 but with a slightly narrower focus, not what will score better, but what will score better because perceived by voters as art.. For some will be the same, for others a completely different thing entirely.. |
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02/12/2012 12:33:40 AM · #44 |
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02/12/2012 01:01:57 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by tnun:
if it moves it's art. |
And if it thinks it's not. |
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02/12/2012 01:08:56 AM · #46 |
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02/12/2012 01:45:12 AM · #47 |
| I like the idea, but if it goes ahead, let it be soon, while 2011 images are still relatively fresh in my mind. :) |
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02/12/2012 02:20:29 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by tnun:
honi soit qui pense? |
no garter for me alas. |
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02/12/2012 09:36:25 PM · #49 |
your key point is "they were taken for no other purpose". exactly!! my beef is DPC mixing you and I and the other artists in with the commercial/stock folks with their outtakes from shoots - for them the purpose was to record a lovely wedding or cat food can advert or motivation poster for a wall in the company cafeteria. I dont think you are confused on this issue at all.
my 2 cents
j
Originally posted by HawkinsT:
This is confusing to me now... I consider most of my photos art. That's what they are, they were taken for no other purpose. Is photography for the sake of photography anything but art? |
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02/23/2012 08:16:17 PM · #50 |
| Bumping this one up, I would dearly love this to happen! |
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