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 11/07/2011 02:36:45 PM · #276
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
It's difficult to determine whether your chart excludes Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, and the Dalai Lama from your balanced and reasonable circle, but it appears to. Do you consider those three figures extreme and unbalanced?

Well, I realized I should make my "inner circle" into a square - or maybe a misshapen polygon, depending on who I decide to let in. ;-)

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
And here's my own interpretation of the chart...


Kepler showed that orbits usually form ellipses of greater eccentricity than a circle ... I support your idea in principle, but would offer this hopefully moderate modification in which you and those with similar views would still be included ... :-)

11/07/2011 03:16:18 PM · #277
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
It's difficult to determine whether your chart excludes Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, and the Dalai Lama from your balanced and reasonable circle, but it appears to. Do you consider those three figures extreme and unbalanced?

Well, I realized I should make my "inner circle" into a square - or maybe a misshapen polygon, depending on who I decide to let in. ;-)


Well, I'm clearly extremely unbalanced. ;P


LOL!
 11/07/2011 03:26:30 PM · #278
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I find it sorta funny that the left wing is complaining about the media, because that's the exact same complaint the Tea Party has. The media can't catch a break.


Why should they? They're part of the problem. They choose what stories to promote (sensationalize) and what to bury or ignore based on the decisions of their corporate masters.

Try listening to NPR or PBS, whose corporate masters are ostensibly non-profit and owned by the public ... you will have a much better chance of hearing from reasonable representatives of both sides of an issue, and in some depth, than you will on any of the commercial networks.

And for some decent analysis of the work of the media, check out the weekly program On The Media, syndicated to many public radio stations.
 11/07/2011 03:45:41 PM · #279
I think both OWS and the Tea Party rail against the media because both discover they can't control the message (as it should be). Because we have an embarrassment of riches in the US when it comes to media sources I think they probably do a fine job. It would be hard for anybody to control the message and that includes the big corporations.
 11/07/2011 03:57:35 PM · #280
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think both OWS and the Tea Party rail against the media because both discover they can't control the message (as it should be). Because we have an embarrassment of riches in the US when it comes to media sources I think they probably do a fine job. It would be hard for anybody to control the message and that includes the big corporations.

... check out the weekly program On The Media, syndicated to many public radio stations ...

I think you'll find there's more influence and "control" than you think -- fortunately, not 100% on one side (yet) ...
 11/07/2011 04:10:01 PM · #281
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I find it sorta funny that the left wing is complaining about the media, because that's the exact same complaint the Tea Party has. The media can't catch a break.


Why should they? They're part of the problem. They choose what stories to promote (sensationalize) and what to bury or ignore based on the decisions of their corporate masters.

Try listening to NPR or PBS, whose corporate masters are ostensibly non-profit and owned by the public ... you will have a much better chance of hearing from reasonable representatives of both sides of an issue, and in some depth, than you will on any of the commercial networks.

And for some decent analysis of the work of the media, check out the weekly program On The Media, syndicated to many public radio stations.


I do listen to NPR and PBS, it's when I start looking at USAToday or Fox or CNN that I want to march through their newsrooms with a machete.
 11/07/2011 04:13:53 PM · #282
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think both OWS and the Tea Party rail against the media because both discover they can't control the message (as it should be). Because we have an embarrassment of riches in the US when it comes to media sources I think they probably do a fine job. It would be hard for anybody to control the message and that includes the big corporations.


Really? What about when the media ARE the big corporations?

I know of at least one case regionally where one of the local papers didn't publish a piece that criticized one of the owners of the media company that owns it and most of the other regional papers and online news sources.
 11/07/2011 04:18:14 PM · #283
My two cents on the media: ALL media sources have some level of bias. There is no getting around that. The ONLY way to get a balanced perspective is for YOU to read/listen/view stories from a variety of these sources that includes a sampling from each of the biases. Also, consume what you believe are opposing biases with an open mind and an ability to filter facts from spin. As I've said several times before, if you are only getting your information from sources that agree with your ideology, then you are not getting the truth. I relied on one source of news most of my young adult life and it wasn't until I started flipping the channel, that I realized there was a completely different version of events that I was unaware of.

Regarding NPR or any public funded news source - they have as much or more of a bias as any for-profit agency because they rely on government support, so reporting anything in a way that would jeopardize that funding, would be self-defeating.
 11/07/2011 04:23:56 PM · #284
I presume anyone considering teaching critical use of media in public schools would be something in the order of pinko scum faggot terrorist etc etc ?
Hell on earth
 11/07/2011 04:35:58 PM · #285
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think both OWS and the Tea Party rail against the media because both discover they can't control the message (as it should be). Because we have an embarrassment of riches in the US when it comes to media sources I think they probably do a fine job. It would be hard for anybody to control the message and that includes the big corporations.


Really? What about when the media ARE the big corporations?


Yes, but the "big corporations" are not all conspiring together any more than "the Jews" or "the blacks". It's a total stereotype and the danger diminishes greatly if you read/listen to more than one news source. I agree with Art that all sources have a level of bias, but I assume those biases balance out if you take in a plethora of versions on the story.
 11/07/2011 04:49:41 PM · #286
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think both OWS and the Tea Party rail against the media because both discover they can't control the message (as it should be). Because we have an embarrassment of riches in the US when it comes to media sources I think they probably do a fine job. It would be hard for anybody to control the message and that includes the big corporations.


Surely you're not talking about cable news, right? It's an embarrassment alright, but not of riches. The message is always the same. Sure when it comes to political hot buttons - many of which they create themselves - FOX, CNN/MSNBC part ways. However, generally speaking they are indistinguishable from each other. When they are talking about the same story you could flip through those channels and watch them finish their own sentences. I kid you not.
 11/07/2011 05:02:31 PM · #287
Yes, I mainly mean print and NPR. I don't have cable so I'm spared the TV 24-hour news cycle. I agree they are all garbage. Remember the good old days when CNN was cutting edge and MTV played videos?
 11/07/2011 05:29:32 PM · #288
I got jealous that everyone has their own little colored chart, so I retook the test and grabbed myself one. Unfortunately/fortunately (take your pick) I seem to have gotten even more liberal in the intervening time :-) from -7.00 / -5.18 to this:



R.

Message edited by author 2011-11-07 17:30:28.
 11/07/2011 05:29:34 PM · #289
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think both OWS and the Tea Party rail against the media because both discover they can't control the message (as it should be). Because we have an embarrassment of riches in the US when it comes to media sources I think they probably do a fine job. It would be hard for anybody to control the message and that includes the big corporations.


Really? What about when the media ARE the big corporations?


Yes, but the "big corporations" are not all conspiring together any more than "the Jews" or "the blacks". It's a total stereotype and the danger diminishes greatly if you read/listen to more than one news source. I agree with Art that all sources have a level of bias, but I assume those biases balance out if you take in a plethora of versions on the story.


Bullshit. Corporations do conspire together. Ever hear of an "Industry Lobbyist"? They're paid by multiple corporations in a single industry to lobby Congress and other politicians to pass legislation beneficial to the whole industry. Similarly there are industry groups that support certain candidates and spend corporate money to campaign for or against candidates based on how "friendly" they are to that industry group's members.
 11/07/2011 05:39:19 PM · #290
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Remember the good old days when CNN was cutting edge and MTV played videos?


Was that when reality TV killed the music video star?

Message edited by author 2011-11-07 17:39:44.
 11/07/2011 05:42:19 PM · #291
Grab the kids and let's make this a family event.

Pretty disgusting. Does anyone here support the use of children like this??
 11/07/2011 05:49:27 PM · #292
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I got jealous that everyone has their own little colored chart, so I retook the test and grabbed myself one. Unfortunately/fortunately (take your pick) I seem to have gotten even more liberal in the intervening time :-) from -7.00 / -5.18 to this:



R.


Awesome! We can be extremely unbalanced together! ;D
 11/07/2011 06:02:55 PM · #293
here is a question :

what is the underlying fault with the occupy protests, that when combined with modern media, will cause the movement to fail to change anything ?


11/07/2011 06:09:23 PM · #294
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Grab the kids and let's make this a family event.

Pretty disgusting. Does anyone here support the use of children like this??


I doubt it. I can't relate to how someone would do such a thing, except that maybe one of the adults was wearing a "What would Corporation do?" t-shirt?

*shrugs*

Message edited by author 2011-11-07 18:09:50.
 11/07/2011 06:16:37 PM · #295
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Yes, I mainly mean print and NPR. I don't have cable so I'm spared the TV 24-hour news cycle. I agree they are all garbage. Remember the good old days when CNN was cutting edge and MTV played videos?

wtf mtv played videos??????????
 11/07/2011 06:25:10 PM · #296
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Grab the kids and let's make this a family event.

Pretty disgusting. Does anyone here support the use of children like this??


Nope, that's pretty messed up.
 11/07/2011 06:27:19 PM · #297
can't the police take the kids away when their parents are endangering their lives like that i meen hell they got it on video.
 11/07/2011 06:38:56 PM · #298
of course not. I do believe the woman who claimed to be the mother had/has some issues not immediately related to the protest. I do hope the other shouters were not typical.
 11/07/2011 06:44:21 PM · #299
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Grab the kids and let's make this a family event.

Pretty disgusting. Does anyone here support the use of children like this??


I love the response "they are MY kids", as if they were a backpack or some sort of disposable commodity that they have the right to use as they wish because they own them. Talk about sending the wrong message!
 11/07/2011 07:06:38 PM · #300
Originally posted by tnun:
of course not. I do believe the woman who claimed to be the mother had/has some issues not immediately related to the protest. I do hope the other shouters were not typical.


You're going to have your idiot's at any event of this type. That said, no normal parent would knowingly take their child into a dangerous situation.
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