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rooum

10/05/2011 10:22:44 AM · #51

Originally posted by alohadave:

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

Originally posted by Joools:
I'm British and believe that effectively she's got away with murder, of course the case has been reported here with a totally different perspective, so much so that I find it hard to believe that you guys in the US really believe everything that your media has told you and that you really all seem to believe she is innocent? I don't know anybody at all amongst my friends and work colleagues that thinks she's innocent, though we have to accept that the Italians did such a poor job with the evidence there probably wasn't the irrefutable proof that she did do it. Unfortunately money talks but I will never be convinced that justice has been done and the Kercher family must now look on as no doubt Knox will make millions from selling her story in the US.

I'm British as well and i don't know anyone who believes that she got away with murder in a case with a severe lack of evidence against her that happened thousands of miles away for which the only details we know have been filtered through the media. I've read people online say their 'gut-instinct' tells them she is guilty to which i say that the only reason your "gut instincts" are telling you that 'Foxy Knoxy' is guilty is because the gutter press decided that a female sex fiend murderess story would sell more papers than a false-accusation story.

I love the nicknames your papers give to people in headlines.

It's a great tradition.

sinistral_leo

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10/05/2011 11:43:50 AM · #52

Originally posted by Tommy_Mac:

Originally posted by sinistral_leo:

Originally posted by Tommy_Mac:

Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
[quote=Tommy_Mac] What compensation does she receive from the Italian government?

She learned to speak Italian for free...

I wouldn't exactly call that free...

No, Not when you take it out of context.

She was compensated from the government, therefore there was no monetary exchange, resulting in a language learned.

I work in a federal prison, trust me, these crooks get much more than they should. Here, they get an education, medical/dental, vocational skills, recreation. For free? I would say yes. They did something they weren't suppose to, and now they get all this stuff... Many come back after being released because they have it better in here than on the "outside".

I meant that in a way the "lousy t-shirts" read. Like "I did four years in an Italian prison and all I got was this lousy T-shirt".

In a news report they said at her first court appearance she did not speak any Italian, at her final, she was fluent. Sounds to me like she learned it in Prison...

rooum

10/05/2011 12:04:45 PM · #53

Originally posted by sinistral_leo:

In a news report they said at her first court appearance she did not speak any Italian, at her final, she was fluent. Sounds to me like she learned it in Prison...

She was a University Language student studying Italian and German. You don't tend to get to that level without having studying it beforehand and being at least semi-fluent in the language you wish to go on to study in depth.

sinistral_leo

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10/05/2011 12:50:10 PM · #54

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
In a news report they said at her first court appearance she did not speak any Italian, at her final, she was fluent. Sounds to me like she learned it in Prison...

She was a University Language student studying Italian and German. You don't tend to get to that level without having studying it beforehand and being at least semi-fluent in the language you wish to go on to study in depth.

Well I guess she was lying about that also...

Spork99

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10/05/2011 01:19:23 PM · #55

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

Actually, that's not true.

She was attending the "University for Foreigners", as part of their program, they offer introductory Italian language study. Part of the appeal of that school is that it has language programs designed to accomodate non-Italian speaking students. She could have been near-fluent in Italian or a complete beginner.

rooum

10/05/2011 01:41:42 PM · #56

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
In a news report they said at her first court appearance she did not speak any Italian, at her final, she was fluent. Sounds to me like she learned it in Prison...

She was a University Language student studying Italian and German. You don't tend to get to that level without having studying it beforehand and being at least semi-fluent in the language you wish to go on to study in depth.

Actually, that's not true.

She was attending the "University for Foreigners", as part of their program, they offer introductory Italian language study. Part of the appeal of that school is that it has language programs designed to accomodate non-Italian speaking students. She could have been near-fluent in Italian or a complete beginner.

Ah, ok then. I knew that she was a language student at the University of Washington. There's a big difference between UK and US universities of course and i'm not too familiar with the US method. In the UK to study foreign languages you'd have to be at a certain level before starting even if you still went on a year placement at somewhere like the University for Foreigners during your studies.

geinafets

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10/05/2011 01:55:38 PM · #57

Originally posted by sinistral_leo:

When I first moved to Italian-speaking Switzerland, I knew how to say "pizza" and "pasta" and that was about it. I studied for a few months in school, then was thrown head first into the language when I started au-pairing with a family that spoke no English. You learn really dang fast when it's your only option. I was quite competent after 3 months. Once back with people who spoke both languages, my learning slowed down. She never had that, so I bet she really is fluent and that she learned basically all of it while in prison.

Alex_Petrini

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10/05/2011 01:56:08 PM · #58

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

Her Italian in the last speech in front of the court was almost perfect, expect for the accent, but this is normal, our languages are really different. Surely the speech had been written by someone else, she used words that even a very well trained in a foreigner language couldn't think of. But I've been very impressed by the way she spoke... rarely I've heard an American be able to speak so fluently my language.

JimiRose

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10/05/2011 02:12:05 PM · #59

Originally posted by Alexkc:

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
She was a University Language student studying Italian and German. You don't tend to get to that level without having studying it beforehand and being at least semi-fluent in the language you wish to go on to study in depth.

Her Italian in the last speech in front of the court was almost perfect, expect for the accent, but this is normal, our languages are really different. Surely the speech had been written by someone else, she used words that even a very well trained in a foreigner language couldn't think of. But I've been very impressed by the way she spoke... rarely I've heard an American be able to speak so fluently my language.

Yep I'd agree with this, the speech was most likely prepared for her by the lawyers, if maybe not totally but certainly polished.

I did the same language course she did in Siena, it's designed to get those who study the language in their home country up to scratch, she may well have been at a relatively low level. I did beginners Italian at Uni so I was rubbish when I got to Siena, I wouldn't be surprised if she was too. It also wouldn't surprise me if after four years of legal wranglings in the Italian system she absorbed a lot (she's a language student after all).

K3Master

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10/05/2011 02:24:11 PM · #60

Originally posted by JimiRose:

Originally posted by Alexkc:

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
She was a University Language student studying Italian and German. You don't tend to get to that level without having studying it beforehand and being at least semi-fluent in the language you wish to go on to study in depth.

Her Italian in the last speech in front of the court was almost perfect, expect for the accent, but this is normal, our languages are really different. Surely the speech had been written by someone else, she used words that even a very well trained in a foreigner language couldn't think of. But I've been very impressed by the way she spoke... rarely I've heard an American be able to speak so fluently my language.

Yep I'd agree with this, the speech was most likely prepared for her by the lawyers, if maybe not totally but certainly polished.

I did the same language course she did in Siena, it's designed to get those who study the language in their home country up to scratch, she may well have been at a relatively low level. I did beginners Italian at Uni so I was rubbish when I got to Siena, I wouldn't be surprised if she was too. It also wouldn't surprise me if after four years of legal wranglings in the Italian system she absorbed a lot (she's a language student after all).

So would you say that you completed the School of Hard Knox?

JimiRose

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10/05/2011 03:48:28 PM · #61

Originally posted by K10DGuy:

So would you say that you completed the School of Hard Knox?

Ha! Just, i took up a pretty time consuming photography hobby which nearly caused problems. Quite glad I did though!

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