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 10/04/2011 04:47:43 PM · #26
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by Spork99:
The police said her interrogation was "firm but polite" whatever that means. They also denied that there was no interpreter. Something the Supreme Court later found to be untrue.

Her rights were violated because the police never informed her of her rights AND there was no interpreter present. If the police are willing to lie about that, why not the other stuff?


I don't say police here is always polite, but surely they wouldn't risk hurting an American citizien. USA are the most powerful country in the world, don't forget it.


And funnily enough, now she's free. Are these two things linked? Who can say.
 10/04/2011 04:47:58 PM · #27
Originally posted by JimiRose:
I was at University with Meredith, we were both on years abroad in Italy although I was in a different city. I don't know, and it's certainly not my place, to judge what actually happened. I feel sorry that her family is left in a position which means they will have to endure more pain and tribulation before they have any real answers. They may not, in fact, ever get what they want, which must surely be a complete resolution and peace from the media.

I also can't think of many worse things than being imprisoned for life for a crime you didn't commit.

The title of this thread should be Meredith Kercher - British perspective, let's not forget the real victim here. Knox was in jail for 4 years now officially due to slander, for which she was guilty, and deserved to be there.


I wasn't aware that 4 years in prison was the standard punishment for slander.
 10/04/2011 04:52:48 PM · #28
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by Spork99:
The police said her interrogation was "firm but polite" whatever that means. They also denied that there was no interpreter. Something the Supreme Court later found to be untrue.

Her rights were violated because the police never informed her of her rights AND there was no interpreter present. If the police are willing to lie about that, why not the other stuff?


I don't say police here is always polite, but surely they wouldn't risk hurting an American citizien. USA are the most powerful country in the world, don't forget it.


What would America do? It's not like the US is going to bomb Italy or invade like it's 1944 again.

The police in some other countries are more than happy to hurt Americans. Even the American police are sometimes more than happy to hurt Americans.

In any event, I don't think she or Sollecito were guilty, but rather they got screwed over by the police and prosecutor who were under pressure to accuse and convict someone. It's not a problem unique to Italy.

I've never been to prison in Italy, but I bet their prison food is 10 times better than what most people here eat in their own homes here.
 10/04/2011 05:01:50 PM · #29
Originally posted by Spork99:
What would America do? It's not like the US is going to bomb Italy or invade like it's 1944 again.


That's not what I meant. But US pressure is always very strong, at least here. But I mean 'political' pressure. Otherwise I couldn't explain why no one is in prison for this:

//news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/3/newsid_2527000/2527521.stm

Originally posted by Spork99:
The police in some other countries are more than happy to hurt Americans.


Surely not here.

Originally posted by Spork99:
I've never been to prison in Italy, but I bet their prison food is 10 times better than what most people here eat in their own homes here.


Well I don't know... but I can say food here is extremely good :)
 10/04/2011 05:02:53 PM · #30
Originally posted by JimiRose:
I feel sorry that her family is left in a position which means they will have to endure more pain and tribulation before they have any real answers.

Bit someone has already been found guilty for the murder, and is serving time. I don't understand what answers are missing.
 10/04/2011 05:09:18 PM · #31
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by Spork99:
I've never been to prison in Italy, but I bet their prison food is 10 times better than what most people here eat in their own homes here.


Well I don't know... but I can say food here is extremely good :)


I know, I never left Italy hungry.
 10/04/2011 05:12:16 PM · #32
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by Spork99:
I've never been to prison in Italy, but I bet their prison food is 10 times better than what most people here eat in their own homes here.


Well I don't know... but I can say food here is extremely good :)


I know, I never left Italy hungry.


But have you ever left Italy for Hungary?
 10/04/2011 05:14:14 PM · #33
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by Spork99:
I've never been to prison in Italy, but I bet their prison food is 10 times better than what most people here eat in their own homes here.


Well I don't know... but I can say food here is extremely good :)


I know, I never left Italy hungry.


But have you ever left Italy for Hungary?


Nah...I don't like goulash.
 10/04/2011 06:16:48 PM · #34
I'm British and believe that effectively she's got away with murder, of course the case has been reported here with a totally different perspective, so much so that I find it hard to believe that you guys in the US really believe everything that your media has told you and that you really all seem to believe she is innocent? I don't know anybody at all amongst my friends and work colleagues that thinks she's innocent, though we have to accept that the Italians did such a poor job with the evidence there probably wasn't the irrefutable proof that she did do it. Unfortunately money talks but I will never be convinced that justice has been done and the Kercher family must now look on as no doubt Knox will make millions from selling her story in the US.
 10/04/2011 06:28:48 PM · #35
Originally posted by Joools:
I'm British and believe that effectively she's got away with murder, of course the case has been reported here with a totally different perspective, so much so that I find it hard to believe that you guys in the US really believe everything that your media has told you and that you really all seem to believe she is innocent? I don't know anybody at all amongst my friends and work colleagues that thinks she's innocent, though we have to accept that the Italians did such a poor job with the evidence there probably wasn't the irrefutable proof that she did do it. Unfortunately money talks but I will never be convinced that justice has been done and the Kercher family must now look on as no doubt Knox will make millions from selling her story in the US.


Everything I've read from those that feel she got away with murder also admit that there was no proof. So with there being no proof how can anyone form an opinion of guilt? I don't know about the rest of the world, but in the US we don't convict on "gut feelings".

If she makes millions selling her story it will be based on her unjust imprisonment, and not on the death of Meredith. I've seen it happen too many times where the victims family feel better when SOMEONE is in jail due to the death of a loved one. Unfortunately having it be the RIGHT person is not always the priority.

Dave
10/04/2011 06:29:01 PM · #36
Originally posted by Joools:
I'm British and believe that effectively she's got away with murder, of course the case has been reported here with a totally different perspective, so much so that I find it hard to believe that you guys in the US really believe everything that your media has told you and that you really all seem to believe she is innocent? I don't know anybody at all amongst my friends and work colleagues that thinks she's innocent, though we have to accept that the Italians did such a poor job with the evidence there probably wasn't the irrefutable proof that she did do it. Unfortunately money talks but I will never be convinced that justice has been done and the Kercher family must now look on as no doubt Knox will make millions from selling her story in the US.


I'm British too and I can't believe what I'm reading. This has to be one of the most cut and dry appeal cases in recent years.
 10/04/2011 11:09:43 PM · #37
Originally posted by Joools:
I'm British and believe that effectively she's got away with murder, of course the case has been reported here with a totally different perspective, so much so that I find it hard to believe that you guys in the US really believe everything that your media has told you and that you really all seem to believe she is innocent? I don't know anybody at all amongst my friends and work colleagues that thinks she's innocent, though we have to accept that the Italians did such a poor job with the evidence there probably wasn't the irrefutable proof that she did do it. Unfortunately money talks but I will never be convinced that justice has been done and the Kercher family must now look on as no doubt Knox will make millions from selling her story in the US.


That's why the media isn't the court.
 10/05/2011 02:00:21 AM · #38
Originally posted by Joools:
I'm British and believe that effectively she's got away with murder, of course the case has been reported here with a totally different perspective, so much so that I find it hard to believe that you guys in the US really believe everything that your media has told you and that you really all seem to believe she is innocent? I don't know anybody at all amongst my friends and work colleagues that thinks she's innocent, though we have to accept that the Italians did such a poor job with the evidence there probably wasn't the irrefutable proof that she did do it. Unfortunately money talks but I will never be convinced that justice has been done and the Kercher family must now look on as no doubt Knox will make millions from selling her story in the US.


I'm British as well and i don't know anyone who believes that she got away with murder in a case with a severe lack of evidence against her that happened thousands of miles away for which the only details we know have been filtered through the media. I've read people online say their 'gut-instinct' tells them she is guilty to which i say that the only reason your "gut instincts" are telling you that 'Foxy Knoxy' is guilty is because the gutter press decided that a female sex fiend murderess story would sell more papers than a false-accusation story.

Message edited by author 2011-10-05 04:20:16.
 10/05/2011 02:28:38 AM · #39
I can tell you that, being in the Seattle area, I had seen lots of local interviews with her family and people that knew her early on and this just did not fit with anything anyone who knew her were saying about her. Not that she couldn't have had a dark side, which she apparently sort of did, but it's a long stretch from promiscuity to throat-slashing violence.

I believe we'll know the truth in the afterlife - at least in my version of it, where they have this video rental service that has DVDs of all the truth about all the crimes & conspiracies revealed - Who killed JFK (Jackie O is my guess), who really killed Nicole Brown Simpson (probably suicide) and whatever happened to DB Cooper, etc. etc. I just hope there's lots of popcorn.
 10/05/2011 02:48:40 AM · #40
And talking of the gutter press - The Daily Mail spectacularly, and hilariously, jumped the gun on the breaking story. It's amazing the amount of bullshit the media are happy to trot out. Once they got their story straight they went with the print headline 'WEEPING FOXY FREED TO MAKE A FORTUNE' preferring that angle over the wrongful arrest one and keeping in a sly suggestion that she is actually guilty. It's interesting that among those that i've read online saying they believe she has got away with murder most also show dismay that she will now be able to make millions from her ordeal. I'm sure there is no correlation between the two though.

Honestly, i think they should teach far more critical thinking in school to the extent that we all grow up with the assumption that literally everything we read in the media is bollocks and to form an opinion on something more in depth research is needed.

Message edited by author 2011-10-05 04:53:05.
 10/05/2011 04:43:24 AM · #41
The Daily Fail strikes again!
 10/05/2011 05:55:55 AM · #42
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
And talking of the gutter press - The Daily Mail spectacularly, and hilariously, jumped the gun on the breaking story.

Great link, thanks for posting. I love when the media are exposed like this.

The fact they even had made-up quotes from the 'prosecutors' like 'justice has been done'... unbelievable. True gutter journalism.
 10/05/2011 06:10:08 AM · #43
As Hunter S Thompson used to say 'The weasels have it down, man.'
 10/05/2011 06:27:10 AM · #44
The Daily Mash has a good take on it:
//www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/knox-to-be-trained-in-how-not-to-look-shifty-201110044377/
Although it should be noted that in general The Daily Mash is probably NSFW

Message edited by author 2011-10-05 06:27:26.
 10/05/2011 06:52:38 AM · #45
Originally posted by paynekj:
The Daily Mash has a good take on it:
//www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/knox-to-be-trained-in-how-not-to-look-shifty-201110044377/
Although it should be noted that in general The Daily Mash is probably NSFW


Haha. I love the Daily Mash.
 10/05/2011 07:25:32 AM · #46
Originally posted by bohemka:
Originally posted by JimiRose:
I feel sorry that her family is left in a position which means they will have to endure more pain and tribulation before they have any real answers.

Bit someone has already been found guilty for the murder, and is serving time. I don't understand what answers are missing.


They charged the guy with murder but under the understanding he didn't do it alone, the remaining question is who was/ were his accomplice(s).
 10/05/2011 07:39:04 AM · #47
Originally posted by JimiRose:
Originally posted by bohemka:
Originally posted by JimiRose:
I feel sorry that her family is left in a position which means they will have to endure more pain and tribulation before they have any real answers.

Bit someone has already been found guilty for the murder, and is serving time. I don't understand what answers are missing.


They charged the guy with murder but under the understanding he didn't do it alone, the remaining question is who was/ were his accomplice(s).

Well, there's no evidence that suggests this crime wasn't commited by one person. But the police didn't follow the evidence, the evidence followed the prosectution.
 10/05/2011 08:07:03 AM · #48
Originally posted by bohemka:
Originally posted by JimiRose:
Originally posted by bohemka:
Originally posted by JimiRose:
I feel sorry that her family is left in a position which means they will have to endure more pain and tribulation before they have any real answers.

Bit someone has already been found guilty for the murder, and is serving time. I don't understand what answers are missing.


They charged the guy with murder but under the understanding he didn't do it alone, the remaining question is who was/ were his accomplice(s).

Well, there's no evidence that suggests this crime wasn't commited by one person. But the police didn't follow the evidence, the evidence followed the prosectution.


Again, I couldn't possibly presume to know all the facts, however I do know that he was convicted on the basis of having at least one accomplice - that's a fact, and that's why there are still questions which is unfortunate for the meredith's family.
 10/05/2011 08:19:39 AM · #49
Originally posted by JH:
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
And talking of the gutter press - The Daily Mail spectacularly, and hilariously, jumped the gun on the breaking story.

Great link, thanks for posting. I love when the media are exposed like this.

The fact they even had made-up quotes from the 'prosecutors' like 'justice has been done'... unbelievable. True gutter journalism.


*Sigh* Stuff like that makes it so much harder for those of us with, ya know, ethics and stuff.
 10/05/2011 09:46:33 AM · #50
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by Joools:
I'm British and believe that effectively she's got away with murder, of course the case has been reported here with a totally different perspective, so much so that I find it hard to believe that you guys in the US really believe everything that your media has told you and that you really all seem to believe she is innocent? I don't know anybody at all amongst my friends and work colleagues that thinks she's innocent, though we have to accept that the Italians did such a poor job with the evidence there probably wasn't the irrefutable proof that she did do it. Unfortunately money talks but I will never be convinced that justice has been done and the Kercher family must now look on as no doubt Knox will make millions from selling her story in the US.


I'm British as well and i don't know anyone who believes that she got away with murder in a case with a severe lack of evidence against her that happened thousands of miles away for which the only details we know have been filtered through the media. I've read people online say their 'gut-instinct' tells them she is guilty to which i say that the only reason your "gut instincts" are telling you that 'Foxy Knoxy' is guilty is because the gutter press decided that a female sex fiend murderess story would sell more papers than a false-accusation story.


I love the nicknames your papers give to people in headlines.
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