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10/04/2011 08:51:51 AM · #1 |
I've been following this case for the last couple of years. In a nutshell:
Brutal murder.
Police needed to convict someone.
Amanda Knox and boyfriend where the best chance.
They then found the real killer (The Ivorian man) and had him say 'they did it' when in fact he did.
Evidence was just not up to par with our CSI type ways.
The media in Europe loved having a femme fatale that was American.
Prosecutor (In a documentary I saw) was very misguided in his ways (Apparently into fortune telling etc...true or not?)
Convicted.
4 years pass and the Italian courts want her out of the media (Bad for PR in Italy)
They are show the unCSI like evidence.
She is freed.
However, I think the Meredith Kercher's family still believe she is the one that committed the crime. They still want justice. Understandable.
I know what most of my Canadian and American companions in Japan think (And a few English friends) and most are happy with her release...I'm wondering what the feelings are like in the U.K? |
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10/04/2011 08:54:30 AM · #2 |
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10/04/2011 09:39:44 AM · #3 |
| All comes down to evidence for me. From what I have read over the years - there just wasn't enough to put someone in prison. I felt the same way about the Casey Anthony case....and I'm a big "lock 'em up" kind of guy but ONLY when there is evidence. |
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10/04/2011 11:35:24 AM · #4 |
| I'm British, and I think she's hot. |
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10/04/2011 12:45:32 PM · #5 |
I was at University with Meredith, we were both on years abroad in Italy although I was in a different city. I don't know, and it's certainly not my place, to judge what actually happened. I feel sorry that her family is left in a position which means they will have to endure more pain and tribulation before they have any real answers. They may not, in fact, ever get what they want, which must surely be a complete resolution and peace from the media.
I also can't think of many worse things than being imprisoned for life for a crime you didn't commit.
The title of this thread should be Meredith Kercher - British perspective, let's not forget the real victim here. Knox was in jail for 4 years now officially due to slander, for which she was guilty, and deserved to be there. |
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10/04/2011 12:54:28 PM · #6 |
My old girlfriend from Oklahoma was gonna fly out for the dance but she couldn't cause she's doing some modeling right now.
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10/04/2011 12:58:31 PM · #7 |
| OK...I'm not British...but one thing I find totally ironic is that Amanda was charged with slander...seems kind of ridiculous when she spent 4 years in jail for something she supposedly didn't do, and will now have to live out the rest of her life with that stigma placed upon her. What compensation does she receive from the Italian government? |
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10/04/2011 01:49:16 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by JimiRose:
I was at University with Meredith, we were both on years abroad in Italy although I was in a different city. I don't know, and it's certainly not my place, to judge what actually happened. I feel sorry that her family is left in a position which means they will have to endure more pain and tribulation before they have any real answers. They may not, in fact, ever get what they want, which must surely be a complete resolution and peace from the media.
I also can't think of many worse things than being imprisoned for life for a crime you didn't commit.
The title of this thread should be Meredith Kercher - British perspective, let's not forget the real victim here. Knox was in jail for 4 years now officially due to slander, for which she was guilty, and deserved to be there. |
With all due respect, the important thing is that we don't lock up innocent people in shoddy, sketchy prosecutions involving shady and sloppy police practices. And then saying it is OK because she had been locked up for a Slander charge? Sorry someone died, but so much trouble in life is caused by misguided attempts at vengeance. |
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10/04/2011 02:13:40 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Tommy_Mac:
What compensation does she receive from the Italian government? |
She learned to speak Italian for free... |
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10/04/2011 02:40:17 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by JimiRose:
I was at University with Meredith, we were both on years abroad in Italy although I was in a different city. I don't know, and it's certainly not my place, to judge what actually happened. I feel sorry that her family is left in a position which means they will have to endure more pain and tribulation before they have any real answers. They may not, in fact, ever get what they want, which must surely be a complete resolution and peace from the media.
I also can't think of many worse things than being imprisoned for life for a crime you didn't commit.
The title of this thread should be Meredith Kercher - British perspective, let's not forget the real victim here. Knox was in jail for 4 years now officially due to slander, for which she was guilty, and deserved to be there. |
With all due respect, the important thing is that we don't lock up innocent people in shoddy, sketchy prosecutions involving shady and sloppy police practices. And then saying it is OK because she had been locked up for a Slander charge? Sorry someone died, but so much trouble in life is caused by misguided attempts at vengeance. |
Oh yeh don't get me wrong, she's been judged not guilty so I'm pleased she was released, she did accuse someone completely unrelated of doing it though which is where my lack of sympathy comes in. |
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10/04/2011 02:43:02 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by JimiRose:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by JimiRose:
I was at University with Meredith, we were both on years abroad in Italy although I was in a different city. I don't know, and it's certainly not my place, to judge what actually happened. I feel sorry that her family is left in a position which means they will have to endure more pain and tribulation before they have any real answers. They may not, in fact, ever get what they want, which must surely be a complete resolution and peace from the media.
I also can't think of many worse things than being imprisoned for life for a crime you didn't commit.
The title of this thread should be Meredith Kercher - British perspective, let's not forget the real victim here. Knox was in jail for 4 years now officially due to slander, for which she was guilty, and deserved to be there. |
With all due respect, the important thing is that we don't lock up innocent people in shoddy, sketchy prosecutions involving shady and sloppy police practices. And then saying it is OK because she had been locked up for a Slander charge? Sorry someone died, but so much trouble in life is caused by misguided attempts at vengeance. |
Oh yeh don't get me wrong, she's been judged not guilty so I'm pleased she was released, she did accuse someone completely unrelated of doing it though which is where my lack of sympathy comes in. |
You do have a point I think- when a media circus is made of the whole event it dishonors the victim in a sense- it takes our eyes off the tragic "ball" so to speak. |
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10/04/2011 02:49:02 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
Originally posted by Tommy_Mac:
What compensation does she receive from the Italian government? |
She learned to speak Italian for free... |
If you have to be in prison somewhere, the foods probably statistically the best in northern central Italy. No hunger strikes when you get three squares and one of them is Spaghetti Bolognese. You probably eat better than being free in many other countries... |
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10/04/2011 02:49:43 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
Originally posted by Tommy_Mac:
What compensation does she receive from the Italian government? |
She learned to speak Italian for free... |
I wouldn't exactly call that free... |
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10/04/2011 03:00:51 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Tommy_Mac:
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
Originally posted by Tommy_Mac:
What compensation does she receive from the Italian government? |
She learned to speak Italian for free... |
I wouldn't exactly call that free... |
No, Not when you take it out of context.
She was compensated from the government, therefore there was no monetary exchange, resulting in a language learned.
I work in a federal prison, trust me, these crooks get much more than they should. Here, they get an education, medical/dental, vocational skills, recreation. For free? I would say yes. They did something they weren't suppose to, and now they get all this stuff... Many come back after being released because they have it better in here than on the "outside". |
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10/04/2011 03:09:32 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by JimiRose:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by JimiRose:
I was at University with Meredith, we were both on years abroad in Italy although I was in a different city. I don't know, and it's certainly not my place, to judge what actually happened. I feel sorry that her family is left in a position which means they will have to endure more pain and tribulation before they have any real answers. They may not, in fact, ever get what they want, which must surely be a complete resolution and peace from the media.
I also can't think of many worse things than being imprisoned for life for a crime you didn't commit.
The title of this thread should be Meredith Kercher - British perspective, let's not forget the real victim here. Knox was in jail for 4 years now officially due to slander, for which she was guilty, and deserved to be there. |
With all due respect, the important thing is that we don't lock up innocent people in shoddy, sketchy prosecutions involving shady and sloppy police practices. And then saying it is OK because she had been locked up for a Slander charge? Sorry someone died, but so much trouble in life is caused by misguided attempts at vengeance. |
Oh yeh don't get me wrong, she's been judged not guilty so I'm pleased she was released, she did accuse someone completely unrelated of doing it though which is where my lack of sympathy comes in. |
I thought the 'accusation' came out of a 14hour interrogation in Italian where she was asked to imagine what might have happened if her boss had turned up at the flat...? |
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10/04/2011 03:19:47 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
Originally posted by Tommy_Mac:
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
Originally posted by Tommy_Mac:
What compensation does she receive from the Italian government? |
She learned to speak Italian for free... |
I wouldn't exactly call that free... |
No, Not when you take it out of context.
She was compensated from the government, therefore there was no monetary exchange, resulting in a language learned.
I work in a federal prison, trust me, these crooks get much more than they should. Here, they get an education, medical/dental, vocational skills, recreation. For free? I would say yes. They did something they weren't suppose to, and now they get all this stuff... Many come back after being released because they have it better in here than on the "outside". |
I wouldn't call it out of context at all...I guess the whole point I was getting at was; if she supposedly didn't do anything, what compensation does she get for being in jail? Why should she have to pay for slander when she herself was slandered way beyond the nightclub owner?
Besides, she was already in the country learning the language before she was falsely accused of the crime, and if it wasn't for that, she wouldn't have slandered someone else. |
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10/04/2011 03:54:27 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by JimiRose:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Originally posted by JimiRose:
I was at University with Meredith, we were both on years abroad in Italy although I was in a different city. I don't know, and it's certainly not my place, to judge what actually happened. I feel sorry that her family is left in a position which means they will have to endure more pain and tribulation before they have any real answers. They may not, in fact, ever get what they want, which must surely be a complete resolution and peace from the media.
I also can't think of many worse things than being imprisoned for life for a crime you didn't commit.
The title of this thread should be Meredith Kercher - British perspective, let's not forget the real victim here. Knox was in jail for 4 years now officially due to slander, for which she was guilty, and deserved to be there. |
With all due respect, the important thing is that we don't lock up innocent people in shoddy, sketchy prosecutions involving shady and sloppy police practices. And then saying it is OK because she had been locked up for a Slander charge? Sorry someone died, but so much trouble in life is caused by misguided attempts at vengeance. |
Oh yeh don't get me wrong, she's been judged not guilty so I'm pleased she was released, she did accuse someone completely unrelated of doing it though which is where my lack of sympathy comes in. |
If you were held in an interrogation cell, denied food, water, sleep, bathroom and subject to verbal haranguing and in all likelihood, physical abuse for 50+ hours, you'd probably sell out your mother to make it stop. The Carabinieri aren't exactly known for the "gentle" interviews that we've come to expect from the police in the US or the UK. |
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10/04/2011 03:58:39 PM · #18 |
Pfffft, 4 years - but her ultimate payday will be more than 4 years worth of salary for most of us here.. She`ll make millions from interviews and no doubt some financial compensation for her incarceration. Trsut me, she`ll be a multi-millionairess before the year is out. Not bad for 4 years work. So her name will be `tarnished` - doubt she`ll be needing to attend many job interviews in the next 50 or 60 years.
Message edited by author 2011-10-04 15:59:36. |
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10/04/2011 04:06:09 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
If you were held in an interrogation cell, denied food, water, sleep, bathroom and subject to verbal haranguing and in all likelihood, physical abuse for 50+ hours, you'd probably sell out your mother to make it stop. The Carabinieri aren't exactly known for the "gentle" interviews that we've come to expect from the police in the US or the UK. |
Are you serious? This things never happen here and surely not with an American citizen, above all if she's not clearly guilty. I'm very sad reading these words... |
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10/04/2011 04:14:58 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by Spork99:
If you were held in an interrogation cell, denied food, water, sleep, bathroom and subject to verbal haranguing and in all likelihood, physical abuse for 50+ hours, you'd probably sell out your mother to make it stop. The Carabinieri aren't exactly known for the "gentle" interviews that we've come to expect from the police in the US or the UK. |
Are you serious? This things never happen here and surely not with an American citizen, above all if she's not clearly guilty. I'm very sad reading these words... |
Evidently they do.
She was interrogated over a 4 day period for a total of 53 hours, including one 14 hour stretch where she was denied food, water, bathroom, yelled at, slapped in the head and was denied an interpreter.
The Italian Supreme Court found that her human rights had been violated.
Despite all the fuss, I still want to go back to Italy for a good long stay.
It's not like getting arrested in Pakistan or Iran, but still not good.
Message edited by author 2011-10-04 16:18:38. |
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10/04/2011 04:18:44 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Evidently they do.
She was interrogated over a 4 day period for a total of 53 hours, including one 14 hour stretch where she was denied food, water, bathroom, yelled at, slapped in the head and was denied an interpreter.
The Italian Supreme Court found that her human rights had been violated.
It's not like getting arrested in Pakistan or Iran, but still not good. |
If you're writing that, you should have read that somewhere. Can you show me where? |
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10/04/2011 04:19:20 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Evidently they do.
She was interrogated over a 4 day period for a total of 53 hours, including one 14 hour stretch where she was denied food, water, bathroom, yelled at, slapped in the head and was denied an interpreter.
The Italian Supreme Court found that her human rights had been violated.
It's not like getting arrested in Pakistan or Iran, but still not good. |
If you're writing that, you should have read that somewhere. Can you show me where? |
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher |
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10/04/2011 04:25:17 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
She was interrogated over a 4 day period for a total of 53 hours, including one 14 hour stretch where she was denied food, water, bathroom, yelled at, slapped in the head and was denied an interpreter. |
This is what SHE said.
Originally posted by Spork99:
The Italian Supreme Court found that her human rights had been violated. |
The Italian Supreme Court later found that Knox's human rights were violated because the police did not tell her of her legal rights and not because of what she had stated. |
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10/04/2011 04:31:38 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by Spork99:
She was interrogated over a 4 day period for a total of 53 hours, including one 14 hour stretch where she was denied food, water, bathroom, yelled at, slapped in the head and was denied an interpreter. |
This is what SHE said.
Originally posted by Spork99:
The Italian Supreme Court found that her human rights had been violated. |
The Italian Supreme Court later found that Knox's human rights were violated because the police did not tell her of her legal rights and not because of what she had stated. |
The police said her interrogation was "firm but polite" whatever that means. They also denied that there was no interpreter. Something the Supreme Court later found to be untrue.
Her rights were violated because the police never informed her of her rights AND there was no interpreter present. If the police are willing to lie about that, why not the other stuff? |
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10/04/2011 04:37:23 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
The police said her interrogation was "firm but polite" whatever that means. They also denied that there was no interpreter. Something the Supreme Court later found to be untrue.
Her rights were violated because the police never informed her of her rights AND there was no interpreter present. If the police are willing to lie about that, why not the other stuff? |
I don't say police here is always polite, but surely they wouldn't risk hurting an American citizien. USA are the most powerful country in the world, don't forget it.
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