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09/21/2011 02:56:38 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Visceral comments won't help them improve technically, but the technical portion is only one side to the image. Maybe what the photographer really wants to hear about is their image's emotional appeal. |
So forget about how the image can be improved, we are supposed to comment on what the photographer wants to hear? Come on Spork... Sorry, but I am too analytical for that. (No "Anal"ytical comments please) |
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09/21/2011 02:56:54 PM · #27 |
| A comment of "does nothing for me" or "too dark" or "good idea" is still a lot more information when compared to 5.5342. |
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09/21/2011 03:01:23 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Visceral comments won't help them improve technically, but the technical portion is only one side to the image. Maybe what the photographer really wants to hear about is their image's emotional appeal. |
So forget about how the image can be improved, we are supposed to comment on what the photographer wants to hear? Come on Spork... Sorry, but I am too analytical for that. (No "Anal"ytical comments please) |
Both kinds of comments (among others) have their place. It's up to you to determine which kind you prefer to give. Like I said, just do what you do and stop worrying about anyone else. 300 people will give you all kinds of their opinions, none of which are wrong, or correct, inherently.
Just keep on keeping on :)
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09/21/2011 03:06:33 PM · #29 |
I agree that you should keep commenting and for the most part have the right to adopt any style you want.
Given this qualification, If the shot is clearly out of focus, either the person knows it, someone else will tell them, or they wanted it to be out of focus. If someone didn't notice blaring errors, they may never get it. Your Opinion is the important thing. You are bringing your unique experience to the critique and not pointing out some objective truth that all others will agree on. What use is it to say "this shot has too many brown color shades in it, or is way underexposed and too dark" if that is the point of the shot? Better to say "too dark for my taste," or "the values in this shot could be better- more contrast, etc" The technical aspects of a photo, are objective- they can be discussed and argued. I guess there is also a difference between giving criticism and telling someone why their shot "scored poorly."
I personally like it when someone tells me what they like about a shot, then I know if I am doing it right. If they tell me what they don't like, I am supposed to what, re-shoot it?
Totally off topic analogy- but when arguing about music, or a restaurant we have to realize- its all subjective- the eagles may suck more than White Zombie- or maybe Creed sucks more, its all true- but we may never know exactly how much.
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09/21/2011 03:12:05 PM · #30 |
Any comments are good. Though sometimes the nitpicky ones such as your examples lead me to believe the commenter found it a major flaw, when they may have actually thought it good. I sometimes leave technical comments, but I also think if my comment suggests it triggered a memory, or got me thinking about something, then it was also a good comment because it indicated the impact the image had on me.
I divide critiques broadly into categories of "real flaw" and "personal preference". If it is a real flaw, I need to learn what to do differently next time. If personal preference, then most likely I will dismiss the critique. Yes, there's a fuzzy line in there, but it works for me.
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09/21/2011 03:14:00 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Visceral comments won't help them improve technically, but the technical portion is only one side to the image. Maybe what the photographer really wants to hear about is their image's emotional appeal. |
So forget about how the image can be improved, we are supposed to comment on what the photographer wants to hear? Come on Spork... Sorry, but I am too analytical for that. (No "Anal"ytical comments please) |
Not at all. Both types of comments have their place. A technically perfect image without any emotional appeal is just as bad as an image in which the emotional qualities are masked by technical issues. |
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09/21/2011 03:15:11 PM · #32 |
One of my crappier shots... 6 of my 7 comments stated the earwig should have been in focus. That was a huge help, I don't even know why I entered it, I thought it was a good idea, but I definatly learned from it.
But if everyone commented "eeck, a nasty bug!" I would have never learned... |
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09/21/2011 03:16:20 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Totally off topic analogy- but when arguing about music, or a restaurant we have to realize- its all subjective- the eagles may suck more than White Zombie- or maybe Creed sucks more, its all true- but we may never know exactly how much. |
No matter how bad the music, Creed sucks more. |
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09/21/2011 03:16:42 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
Originally posted by Louis:
I think you are wrong in the sense... |
Well that is your opinion...However...I think I am figuring out why only the "good" photos get the comments.
Originally posted by ubique:
Yes, you are indeed wrong... |
So why leave a comment at all? Visceral comments aren't...doesn't help me to notice that my subject is...
Originally posted by Spork99:
Visceral comments won't help them improve technically, but the technical portion is only one side to the image. Maybe... |
So forget about how the image can be improved, we are supposed to comment on what the photographer wants to hear? Come on Spork... Sorry, but I am too analytical for that.
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Hm. Perhaps you should have prefaced your original post with something along the lines of, "I am seeking validation for my commenting style", or, "Please tell me how I am right", or something similar, instead of directly asking if you were wrong, and if you were nit-picky. |
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09/21/2011 03:21:27 PM · #35 |
| There is an implied "IMO" at the end of each comment (if not explicit). So don't even worry about saying "in my taste" or "to my eye"... |
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09/21/2011 03:22:24 PM · #36 |
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09/21/2011 03:27:59 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by adigitalromance:
There is an implied "IMO" at the end of each comment (if not explicit). So don't even worry about saying "in my taste" or "to my eye"... |
In high school essay writing class, Ms Hect always told us "You don't need to say 'I think this' or 'I think that'. Your reader can infer that you wrote it. There is little risk of them assuming this is the One True Word delivered from the mountain, just say what you think." |
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09/21/2011 03:29:29 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by adigitalromance:
There is an implied "IMO" at the end of each comment (if not explicit). So don't even worry about saying "in my taste" or "to my eye"... |
In high school essay writing class, Ms Hect always told us "You don't need to say 'I think this' or 'I think that'. Your reader can infer that you wrote it. There is little risk of them assuming this is the One True Word delivered from the mountain, just say what you think." |
I think this is awesome! |
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09/21/2011 03:47:06 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Hm. Perhaps you should have prefaced your original post with something along the lines of, "I am seeking validation for my commenting style", or, "Please tell me how I am right", or something similar, instead of directly asking if you were wrong, and if you were nit-picky. |
Well you are making it obvious you are trying to get a rise out of me. So whatever.
Consider this, if you arrived at work one day and everyone was absent, would you think "Am I wrong" or "I need validation that I am right"? I'd try to figure out why I was the only one... |
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09/21/2011 04:10:48 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
Consider this, if you arrived at work one day and everyone was absent, would you think "Am I wrong" or "I need validation that I am right"? I'd try to figure out why I was the only one... |
Hehe. That actually happened to me not long ago. Didn't realize January 3rd was an official company holiday and thought it was back to business as usual. I arrive earlier than most, so the fairly empty parking garage meant nothing, and my (high walled) cube is in a quiet end of the building. After 2 hours, I realized it was quieter than usual and checked the company holiday calendar. oops.
I was wrong.
Message edited by author 2011-09-21 16:11:08.
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09/21/2011 04:13:01 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by adigitalromance:
There is an implied "IMO" at the end of each comment (if not explicit). So don't even worry about saying "in my taste" or "to my eye"... |
In high school essay writing class, Ms Hect always told us "You don't need to say 'I think this' or 'I think that'. Your reader can infer that you wrote it. There is little risk of them assuming this is the One True Word delivered from the mountain, just say what you think." |
My suggestion to preface a comment with "in my opinion" or "for my taste..." was based upon the fact that I like to distinguish a technical criticism from a personal taste aesthetic criticism. Yes its all my opinion, I'm aware of that. |
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09/21/2011 04:21:26 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
Consider this, if you arrived at work one day and everyone was absent, would you think "Am I wrong" or "I need validation that I am right"? I'd try to figure out why I was the only one... |
When I have a tester running, I'm often working at 3 or 4 in the morning and I'm the only one around, so I wouldn't think it was that strange. |
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09/21/2011 04:21:37 PM · #43 |
| I have found that while many people say they appreciate constructive criticism, most really don't. |
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09/21/2011 04:34:37 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
Consider this, if you arrived at work one day and everyone was absent, would you think "Am I wrong" or "I need validation that I am right"? I'd try to figure out why I was the only one... |
When I have a tester running, I'm often working at 3 or 4 in the morning and I'm the only one around, so I wouldn't think it was that strange. |
LOL, touche |
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09/21/2011 04:35:23 PM · #45 |
| My advice to the OP is to keep on doing what you are doing, you are never wrong when you express your opinion about a photo, it is simply your view which may or may not differ from others. |
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09/21/2011 04:36:10 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Totally off topic analogy- but when arguing about music, or a restaurant we have to realize- its all subjective- the eagles may suck more than White Zombie- or maybe Creed sucks more, its all true- but we may never know exactly how much. |
No matter how bad the music, Creed sucks more. |
Coldplay sucks the most. |
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09/21/2011 04:57:46 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
This is awesome! |
From the ??? Dept.: an assortment of comments from my recent Where's Waldo? entry: ΓΆ€ΒΆ Oh dear this is not good, but I guess you will be told.
ΓΆ€ΒΆ interesting, aggressive, modern and random- love the colors, a great shot in my book.
ΓΆ€ΒΆ Can't see Waldo for the HDR
ΓΆ€ΒΆ lower right. interesting shot
(Note: there is no HDR processing involved, and the processing is the only thing which made Waldo visible at all -- see (if you can) the unprocessed original.) |
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09/21/2011 07:40:08 PM · #48 |
You are right but for the wrong reasons. You own your commenting space along with the words you indulge into your opinion. So, in this space you may hardly be wrong unless you disagree with yourself.
However, although you aptly see the trees, I do not get the impression that you see the forest. While others may or may not align their vision with your own, expanding your vision may be an option to think about more than whether or not you are right or wrong.
Just my two cents...;-) |
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09/21/2011 09:06:25 PM · #49 |
Maybe you are a bit nitpicky, but you are also trying to figure out what you do and do not like. You left a minor critique on my "above" entry about an aspect that I would NEVER have thought would elicit a critique, and I consider it to fall into that "personal preference" class of critique. My entry has more serious flaws than that!
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09/21/2011 09:21:57 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by hihosilver:
You are right but for the wrong reasons. You own your commenting space along with the words you indulge into your opinion. So, in this space you may hardly be wrong unless you disagree with yourself.
However, although you aptly see the trees, I do not get the impression that you see the forest. While others may or may not align their vision with your own, expanding your vision may be an option to think about more than whether or not you are right or wrong.
Just my two cents...;-) |
well said. |
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