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 04/05/2004 12:37:50 PM · #1
So I am looking through the results of the Orange challenge and I notice something that has been ranted about before. As such, I will not complain myself. But.... who can guess what it is about this that irks me? (Although it makes little difference in the grand scheme of things)


04/05/2004 01:07:42 PM · #2
My guess is that the "helpful comment" box was only checked for positive comments that had nothing to do with the technical aspects of the photo ( e.g. "I love it", "Very hot", and "Very dramatic" ) while those that contained non-positive comments, or comments on the focus, color, composition, etc. even though they suggested possibilities for improvement ( at least in the viewer's perspective ) were, by default, "not helpful".
Just a guess.

Ron
 04/05/2004 01:11:17 PM · #3
Originally posted by RonB:
My guess is that the "helpful comment" box was only checked for positive comments that had nothing to do with the technical aspects of the photo ( e.g. "I love it", "Very hot", and "Very dramatic" ) while those that contained non-positive comments, or comments on the focus, color, composition, etc. even though they suggested possibilities for improvement ( at least in the viewer's perspective ) were, by default, "not helpful".
Just a guess.

Ron


yep
 04/05/2004 01:13:29 PM · #4
That's it. I'm more humored than irked though.

My favorite was jbeazell's comment, "....it's a little static, but a great image..." If only he had left out the little static part, he would have been helpful. lol.


04/05/2004 01:13:47 PM · #5
Originally posted by RonB:
My guess is that the "helpful comment" box was only checked for positive comments that had nothing to do with the technical aspects of the photo ( e.g. "I love it", "Very hot", and "Very dramatic" ) while those that contained non-positive comments, or comments on the focus, color, composition, etc. even though they suggested possibilities for improvement ( at least in the viewer's perspective ) were, by default, "not helpful".
Just a guess.

Ron


I actually find it helpful when you see people who do that. It says so much about a person and their level of photography.
 04/05/2004 01:17:34 PM · #6
I read many comments from the top images in challenges and I'm supprised HOW MANY people only check positive comments as helpfull, when in fact most of em are just ego builders and actualy provides zero helpfull hints.

OH well, it doesn't matter!
 04/05/2004 01:29:07 PM · #7
So are we not all a little guilty of doing this at some time or another?
Does it erk your that much? Even when you have done the same in the past!??

Message edited by author 2004-04-05 13:31:03.
 04/05/2004 01:30:05 PM · #8
Well I'm more than happy to mark comments as helpful (and most of them really are!) but wish there were more (6 between two current photos) :(
 04/05/2004 01:39:54 PM · #9
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Well I'm more than happy to mark comments as helpful (and most of them really are!) but wish there were more (6 between two current photos) :(


Bummer
 04/05/2004 02:01:06 PM · #10
Not all suggestions are helpful. I think photographers can have a specific view in mind that may or may not come across to the viewer, and that viewer could make a suggestion to improve the image for the viewer but contradict the intention of the photographer. In that way helpful comments are subjective.

I like to think that the comments I make are helpful. When my number of helpful comments increase it actually encourages me to make more comments, thinking that people appreciate and want my comments. Although in the end with people marking all comments helpful no matter what, people marking no comments helpful no matter what, or being selectively marked for any number of reasons then they dont really mean that much.
 04/05/2004 02:10:54 PM · #11
I sometimes don't mark comments helpful. This is not because I don't like the comment, or commenter, or that I can't handle the criticism. This sometimes just means in the scope of a busy life some details get overlooked, I spend more time than I like on dpc already, often I am doing 3 things at once. Sometimes not marking has nothing to do with the comments and more to do with my life being more busy than I can handle. Sorry to all of you who have have their comment unjustly ignored.
 04/05/2004 02:26:51 PM · #12
Hey everybody, what's your Helpful Comments to Comments Made ratio? Are you classified by others as a "meanie" (low ratio), a "back slapper" i.e. good job, buddy (high ratio) or a "middle of the roader" (medium ratio)?

My ratio is 320/453 or 70.6%. Looks like I'm a "back slapper".

What's yours?
 04/05/2004 02:37:14 PM · #13
I sometimes get comments that give me info on how to correct something that I've done deliberately. On a certain level that might be useful information but as I had already in full understanding done the opposite, should I mark it as helpful or not ?

it is generally maybe helpful advice
I'm happy the person bothered to suggest it
it shows that that voter doesn't like the decision I made
but is it helpful ?

Edit: I usually do, anyway.

Message edited by author 2004-04-05 14:37:27.
 04/05/2004 02:38:07 PM · #14
254/350 or 72.6%. I'm slapping just a little bit harder. Although my tendency is to only comment if I have something to say that I think can improve a photograph. Unless, of course, the photograph is absolutely stunning. So if you ever get a one word comment out of me, you did something right.
 04/05/2004 02:55:33 PM · #15
48 / 87 - 55%
I guess it's cause I usually only get to comment on the ones I score low: 1-3 range, sometimes 4. It's not that I score a bunch of them low, it's that I take time when I comment and try to see every aspect of the photo. I try to find something to praise and then give my comments on what I do or don't like and then suggest ways to fix them.

I mark them helpful if:
- they suggest a way to fix something they see wrong
- they choose a specific part and say whether or not it's good (composition, orientation of something, ect.) Ex: "Nice shot but the white spots seem a bit distracting." - short, but still helpful
- It's long - lol, if it's long there is usually something to be gotten from what they've said ^_^

04/05/2004 03:19:52 PM · #16
Interesting Observations:

For the Ribbon Winning Photos for Motion Blur, there were 75 comments made during the challenge. The winners found 74 of them helpful.

For the Ribbon Winning Photos for the Magazine Cover Revisited Challenge, there were 111 comments made during the challenge. Of those only FOUR were marked as "helpful" - and all four were so marked by DrJOnes.

I guess sometimes comments are helpful, and sometimes they're not. But is it the challenge? the photographer? the commenters? or the comments themselves?

Ron
 04/05/2004 04:10:08 PM · #17
Originally posted by Gordon:
I sometimes get comments that give me info on how to correct something that I've done deliberately. On a certain level that might be useful information but as I had already in full understanding done the opposite, should I mark it as helpful or not ?

it is generally maybe helpful advice
I'm happy the person bothered to suggest it
it shows that that voter doesn't like the decision I made
but is it helpful ?

Edit: I usually do, anyway.

It sounds helpful to me ... 1) they noticed what you did; 2) they told you how that worked for them

Knowing that an effect will affect some viewers negatively is helpful information.
 04/05/2004 04:23:47 PM · #18
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Gordon:
I sometimes get comments that give me info on how to correct something that I've done deliberately. On a certain level that might be useful information but as I had already in full understanding done the opposite, should I mark it as helpful or not ?

it is generally maybe helpful advice
I'm happy the person bothered to suggest it
it shows that that voter doesn't like the decision I made
but is it helpful ?

Edit: I usually do, anyway.

It sounds helpful to me ... 1) they noticed what you did; 2) they told you how that worked for them

Knowing that an effect will affect some viewers negatively is helpful information.


It might be helpful to you, it doesn't mean it is helpful to me - as I said, I'd already deliberately decided to do it - hence, in my mind, I've made my decision - comments on it don't help much. I have thought that some might like it and others wouldn't - so is it really helpful ?

I'm not expecting the person making the comment to know this - because we don't get to share the details with them (though that's another issue)

Like the pictures where you've made a decision to have lots of it blurry. someone telling me 'its too blurry, use a higher F-stop' might seem helpful, but to me it isn't. I already know how to do that, I just don't want to. I know a lot of people don't like it - that's their choice, but it is also my choice to have decided to ignore that in the first place. Being told it again doesn't help. If you had no idea that people didn't like blurry pictures, it might be helpful. If you already knew that, it is redundant.

Just saying that even if a person does use the helpful button, what might look helpful to you could be just noise to someone else.

Message edited by author 2004-04-05 16:25:21.
 04/05/2004 04:29:52 PM · #19
I guess that's why there's do definitions given for "helpful." Such a comment might be helpful to me and not to you, and we can both be right. Personally, I find everything I can learn about another's reaction to be helpful information; my problem seems to be in using that information constructively.
 04/06/2004 03:24:20 PM · #20
I only check the helpful box if the comment is specifically helpful, and will be something I think about when planning and shooting subsequent photos.

Helpful:

- Nice job. It doesn't pop out from the competition, but there's not much to complain about either. There is something behind his shoulders (greyish) that's distracting.

I like this a lot, but think it might be more applauded if you submitted it to an arts-based site like London Photographic Awards.

Not Helpful:

- I have no idea what this is, what it has to do with silence, or anthing else. Sorry, 1!

- beautiful work with the light and color :)
 04/06/2004 04:29:47 PM · #21
I find almost every comment helpful. I like to look at the work of the commenter. If I like their work and I aspire to learn from them, I am grateful for their time.

When they don't think enough of my comment to take only 1 second to mark it helpful, it makes me feel that I have wasted both of our time. So I don't comment as much anymore.

Message edited by author 2004-04-09 00:23:46.
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