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06/20/2011 04:21:36 PM · #1 |
| I'm not getting how we're supposed to enter/title our images. If we use the image #/title of the image we're "improving", we lose anonymity. If we don't identify the prior image, voters will not be able to tell if it's "improved". Am I missing something...??? |
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06/20/2011 04:34:02 PM · #2 |
| I don't think the voters are supposed to see how you improved. Just vote on the current image... and from there, you can see if you've improved. I predict there will be a lot of post-challenge comments in this challenge with comparison comments. |
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06/20/2011 04:38:50 PM · #3 |
One thing which will help the post-challenge discussion will be to post a thumbnail/link to the original entry you are re-shooting in the photographer's comments area.
I think you can either give your entry the same title as the original, or else the topic of the original challenge (the "default title" for all "untitled" images). |
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06/20/2011 04:39:02 PM · #4 |
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06/20/2011 04:41:38 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
I'm not getting how we're supposed to enter/title our images. If we use the image #/title of the image we're "improving", we lose anonymity. If we don't identify the prior image, voters will not be able to tell if it's "improved". Am I missing something...??? |
I asked the same question in the Take 2 thread and  vawendy answered:
I see no problem with people recognizing the entry. Some challenges almost seem to be meant for that (signature style, for instance). This is specifically about redoing an image -- there's a good chance that we'll recognize a number of them. |
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06/20/2011 04:50:19 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
So basically, a FS...? |
A free study of yourself (hmm, that sounds a bit dirty). Note the extra rule in place, if you enter a photo that is not a remake of one of your own past entries, you could be DQed. |
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06/20/2011 05:38:57 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by giantmike:
Originally posted by tanguera:
So basically, a FS...? |
A free study of yourself (hmm, that sounds a bit dirty). Note the extra rule in place, if you enter a photo that is not a remake of one of your own past entries, you could be DQed. |
DPC doesn't DQ if your subject matter doesn't meet the challenge requirements -- just look at all the races for the brown.
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06/20/2011 05:47:06 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by jamesgoss:
Originally posted by giantmike:
Originally posted by tanguera:
So basically, a FS...? |
A free study of yourself (hmm, that sounds a bit dirty). Note the extra rule in place, if you enter a photo that is not a remake of one of your own past entries, you could be DQed. |
DPC doesn't DQ if your subject matter doesn't meet the challenge requirements -- just look at all the races for the brown. |
Usually not but under extra rules for this challenge "Extra Rules: Your entry must be taken this week and be a reshoot of one of your own entries". Break the rules and it may end up DQed in my opinion too.
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06/20/2011 05:49:20 PM · #9 |
A thought that just popped in my head though... Should the image be improved from your previous entry to better fit that old challenge, or just improve in general? or both?
I think too much sometimes. |
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06/20/2011 06:29:14 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by Revecca:
A thought that just popped in my head though... Should the image be improved from your previous entry to better fit that old challenge, or just improve in general? or both?
I think too much sometimes. |
I'd go with just improved overall. |
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06/20/2011 06:39:39 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by Revecca:
A thought that just popped in my head though... Should the image be improved from your previous entry to better fit that old challenge, or just improve in general? or both?
I think too much sometimes. |
I'd go with just improved overall. |
Ditto.
R. |
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06/20/2011 06:42:11 PM · #12 |
| Does it have to be the same scene? Or is it an FS within the topic of the challenge? I mean can I reshoot for an old challenge from scratch while using the comments as a guideline for improvement? |
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06/20/2011 07:01:20 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Does it have to be the same scene? Or is it an FS within the topic of the challenge? I mean can I reshoot for an old challenge from scratch while using the comments as a guideline for improvement? |
I'm no expert, but my take is that you need to reshoot the same "subject" whatever that may have been. Maybe put it in a different location, shoot from a different angle, whatever, but make sure it's the same subject. |
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06/20/2011 08:22:08 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Does it have to be the same scene? Or is it an FS within the topic of the challenge? I mean can I reshoot for an old challenge from scratch while using the comments as a guideline for improvement? |
I'm no expert, but my take is that you need to reshoot the same "subject" whatever that may have been. Maybe put it in a different location, shoot from a different angle, whatever, but make sure it's the same subject. |
Or, for the landscape shooters, same location but better light, better framing, better processing, whatever.
R. |
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06/20/2011 08:35:35 PM · #15 |
| All the flowers I've shot are dead. I predict a lot of landscapes. |
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06/20/2011 08:47:52 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by pixelpig:
All the flowers I've shot are dead. I predict a lot of landscapes. |
You're so funny! ;D |
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06/20/2011 09:09:58 PM · #17 |
if your last subject was considered DNMC by the comments, wont the re-shoot have little or nothing to do with the original?
A new subject. or a better interpretation of the challenge may be completely different.
I just need to pick a challenge I have already entered into once before, not reproduce or improve that original entry, right?
Up to and including calendar III? |
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06/21/2011 09:11:09 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
if your last subject was considered DNMC by the comments, wont the re-shoot have little or nothing to do with the original?
A new subject. or a better interpretation of the challenge may be completely different.
I just need to pick a challenge I have already entered into once before, not reproduce or improve that original entry, right?
Up to and including calendar III? |
You are not re-shooting for the previous challenge, that's irrelevant. You are re-shooting the picture. It should have the same subject, not something completely new. This is of course, my opinion and nothing more, but I think most people see it the same way. Improve the original entry is exactly the way it's worded ("Pick one of your own (non-ribbon winning) past entries and improve upon it based on the comments you received."). |
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06/21/2011 03:02:33 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Does it have to be the same scene? Or is it an FS within the topic of the challenge? I mean can I reshoot for an old challenge from scratch while using the comments as a guideline for improvement? |
I'm no expert, but my take is that you need to reshoot the same "subject" whatever that may have been. Maybe put it in a different location, shoot from a different angle, whatever, but make sure it's the same subject. |
Or, for the landscape shooters, same location but better light, better framing, better processing, whatever.
R. |
What if the whole problem with the image was that the subject sucked? Then should you find a similar subject that just happens to be more photogenic and then apply everything else you've learned? |
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06/21/2011 03:42:51 PM · #20 |
How about if I choose to reshoot a challenge with no comments? I have three already in only 37 entries.
Since I usually do live event capture work, most of my subjects are not posed and are impossible to re-shoot.
I worry the voters will only reward the obvious members entires and punish the rest as semi-DNMC since they do not recognize them.
Predicting some harsh voting on this one. |
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06/21/2011 04:46:58 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
How about if I choose to reshoot a challenge with no comments? I have three already in only 37 entries.
Since I usually do live event capture work, most of my subjects are not posed and are impossible to re-shoot.
I worry the voters will only reward the obvious members entires and punish the rest as semi-DNMC since they do not recognize them.
Predicting some harsh voting on this one. |
DNMC shouldn't come into voting as it is grounds for disqualification. Due to anonymity, this is something that can only really be proven after voting ends. |
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06/21/2011 06:32:34 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
How about if I choose to reshoot a challenge with no comments? I have three already in only 37 entries.
Since I usually do live event capture work, most of my subjects are not posed and are impossible to re-shoot.
I worry the voters will only reward the obvious members entires and punish the rest as semi-DNMC since they do not recognize them.
Predicting some harsh voting on this one. |
A quick look through your profile shows you have a number of landscapes, some animal shots & some set up shots too. Why not pick one of those and make it easier on yourself? Just my opinion, but of the sports shots, I'd think if you at least shot the same sport as the one in a particular challenge, then who the person is probably wouldn't matter. |
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06/22/2011 08:58:51 PM · #23 |
I love this challenge.
Just a quick survey to see how many people will change the title of their entry, I want to, because it will better fit my photo !
Just going back to the original "Take II", some members changed their title and others didn't so I think it should be OK.
Message edited by author 2011-06-22 21:01:53. |
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06/22/2011 09:01:58 PM · #24 |
| I'm basically keeping my title. I feel that if someone wants to look up the old entry to look at the comments and see how well I did at improving, that could be a good thing. |
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06/22/2011 09:29:53 PM · #25 |
| If I get the shot I want I'll keep the title. I can' shoot till tomorrow night, so I'm cutting it close. |
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