Voting Stats - A low vote and its effect

Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Canon Mount

02/22/2011 05:13:42 PM · #53

my highest rated photo didn't get any 1's but it got 1-2, 5-3's and 2-4's, considering it scored over 7, i'd like to know the logic behind those low votes...

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

02/22/2011 05:16:32 PM · #54

Originally posted by mike_311:

my highest rated photo didn't get any 1's but it got 1-2, 5-3's and 2-4's, considering it scored over 7, i'd like to know the logic behind those low votes...

Why do you CARE? Those are outlier votes. Think about it! The consensus of the voters was overwhelmingly favorable, the image garnered a 7+ score. Would you actually take steps to "correct" whatever the outliers did NOT like, thereby risking ruining whatever it is the majority loved?

Speaking for myself, I have absolutely zero interest in WHY someone gave one of my high-scoring images a low vote, I don't need to know that. What I'd LOVE to know is what all those people LIKED about the image, so I can repeat the success.

R.

ETA: slightly more than 10% of the voters thought your image was below average. That's an amazing consensus in favor of the image.

Message edited by author 2011-02-22 17:18:32.

Mike

Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Canon Mount

02/22/2011 05:45:05 PM · #55

i agree, i don't dwell on the low votes, I just went back to my portfolio out of curiosity.

you can find all sorts of neat information in the vote breakdowns.

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

02/22/2011 07:02:03 PM · #56

Originally posted by sir_bazz:

Using one of your images as an example, (it finished with a ribbon and a score of over 7), yet one voter thought it was only deserving of 1 point?

I can take a guess at this one. The Disney concert hall in Los Angeles has turned up in many challenges and someone likely decided they were tired of seeing this same subject win again and again.

DJWoodward

02/22/2011 07:13:03 PM · #57

Originally posted by sir_bazz:

...Makes is hard to avoid making the same mistake in the future if there's no feedback left on the error in the image. Using one of your images as an example, (it finished with a ribbon and a score of over 7), yet one voter thought it was only deserving of 1 point?

Who says a "mistake" was made? Just because one person didn't like it doesn't mean the photographer did something wrong.

I think it's something like only 1.3% of the images ever submitted have score 7 or higher. When I'm fortunate enough to score >7 I celebrate instead of dwelling on the one person, or few people, who didn't like my shot.

sir_bazz

Pentax K-5

Pentax FA 50mm f/1.4 AF

02/22/2011 07:23:32 PM · #58

Originally posted by DJWoodward:

Originally posted by sir_bazz:
...Makes is hard to avoid making the same mistake in the future if there's no feedback left on the error in the image. Using one of your images as an example, (it finished with a ribbon and a score of over 7), yet one voter thought it was only deserving of 1 point?

Who says a "mistake" was made? Just because one person didn't like it doesn't mean the photographer did something wrong.

I think it's something like only 1.3% of the images ever submitted have score 7 or higher. When I'm fortunate enough to score >7 I celebrate instead of dwelling on the one person, or few people, who didn't like my shot.

Fair enough too and I respect that but we're all different here.

Personally I try to repeat the things I did right while avoiding the things I did wrong in the past. The first part of that is much easier than the second part.

bazz.

DJWoodward

02/22/2011 07:39:36 PM · #59

Originally posted by sir_bazz:

Personally I try to repeat the things I did right while avoiding the things I did wrong in the past. The first part of that is much easier than the second part. bazz.

If you score a 7+ you have a lot more things you did right to repeat than you did wrong to avoid :-)

RayEthier

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

02/22/2011 10:40:40 PM · #60

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by crowis:
...and not allow entrants to vote in challenges they have submitted for.

Thereby absolutely gutting the voter base... We don't have so many active participants that we can afford to deny voting privileges to entrants. In the Best of 2010 there were 400+ entries, and the blue ribbon image got 195 votes...

R.

I would have to agree with

Bear_Music on this one and would add that denying individual such as him the vote would have a double impact since the user community would also lose the wonderful comments that voters submit.

Ray

Sheryll

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

02/23/2011 01:33:29 AM · #61

I'm still stuck on where the other dollar went....

lol

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

02/23/2011 01:44:06 AM · #62

Originally posted by Sheryll:

I'm still stuck on where the other dollar went....

lol

It reminds me of the riddle where three men rent a hotel room. Each pays $10 for a total of $30 spent on the room. The next day the hotel owner tells the three men that they over paid for the room as it only costs $25. The three men tell the owner to give them each a dollar back and he can keep two dollars. If you do the math, each man paid $9 a piece for the room for a total of $27. The owner kept $2 which brings the total to $29. The question is where did the other dollar go? There is no other dollar really; $25 for the room + $2 for the owner + 3 dollars for the men = $30.

The owner got PAID $30. He REFUNDED $3. So he KEPT $27.

The 3 guys PAID $9 apiece, after the refund. TOTAL $27.

All the rest of it is just verbal legerdemain.

R.

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX100

02/23/2011 01:55:51 AM · #63

I was wondering that if the voting options were: 0.5, 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5 etc going up in increments of 0.5 instead of 1, would it change your scoring approach?

If I see a nice shot and would give it say a 7, and then I come across another good one but not quite as good as the other in theory I could give it a 6... but if I felt it deserved more than a 6 then do I go and adjust the other shot up to an 8?
Perhaps the X.5 scores would even out / smooth the voting scores a bit more?
Just wondering what you guys / girls think.

spiritualspatula

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

02/23/2011 04:02:29 AM · #64

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

All the rest of it is just verbal legerdemain.

R.

Just learned a new word. Sweet!
Here's one in return that you may not know- uxorilocal.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX Aspherical DG HSM for Nikon

02/23/2011 04:22:15 AM · #65

*sigh* This site is full of Woody Allen characters.

bohemka

Nikon D700

02/23/2011 04:50:58 AM · #66

Originally posted by Silent-Shooter:

Perhaps the X.5 scores would even out / smooth the voting scores a bit more?
Just wondering what you guys / girls think.

Since people are throwing around fancy vocabulary* and trotting out logical analogies, I will also reference my own preference (gratuitous rhyming) for the Fahrenheit system over Celsius. It simply allows more detailed description and finer analysis. So I would also prefer a more granular voting system (though still within the 1 to 10 scale). A .5 system would help this.

As for its impact, I'd wager the DPC mean vote received would slide up at least half a point, as currently an average image typically would get pegged with a 5, even though that is below the DPC mean score.

* Sorry, I've been living in Germany too long to remember fancy English, so no 10-dollar words in this post.

Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX Aspherical DG HSM for Nikon

02/23/2011 05:15:29 AM · #67

Think the X.5 voting system is something we should speak to SC about then?

bohemka

Nikon D700

02/23/2011 05:35:34 AM · #68

I think it's a great idea, but it has two big problems:

1 - In my very short time here I haven't seen the SC respond to any criticism/advice/suggestions regarding how the site is run, particularly the scoring.

2 - The scoring system is the foundation of how photos have been recognized. To change the scoring system in any way would rock this foundation. Even though it would be an improvement (in my mind), it would be similar to adding ribbons for fifth and sixth place. It just alters the whole thing.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

02/23/2011 05:37:07 AM · #69

Originally posted by bohemka:

I think it's a great idea, but it has two big problems...

Don't forget:
3: Change is EVIL!

Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX Aspherical DG HSM for Nikon

02/23/2011 05:42:08 AM · #70

Yes I kind of figured those 2 3 problems would be mentioned.
Heck its worth a try though. My guess is they would listen to someone with more sway and power then me - so who else with a long history here wants to give this a try?

bohemka

Nikon D700

02/23/2011 05:58:20 AM · #71

I'd recommend a five-person committee of Art, Bear, zeuszen, kirbic and JustCaree.

I believe that to be a good mix of wit, knowledge, artistic guidance, technical prowess and ~~incessant badgering/posting~~ determination.

Edit: [/JOKE]

Message edited by author 2011-02-23 05:59:24.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

02/23/2011 07:42:22 AM · #72

I assume you have taken it upon yourself to send them all PM's to get the ball rolling - WELL DONE Scott!

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

02/23/2011 07:54:20 AM · #73

Originally posted by bohemka:

Not true ... I believe we respond all the time, usually with your point #2 -- it ain't broke, so we're not "fixing" it ...

Garry

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

02/23/2011 08:08:57 AM · #74

The numbers are available for every challenge. For those who do the stats on this site, it would be interesting to look at the past challenges and calculate the average vote for participants and non-participants. Just eyeballing a bunch of challenges, it seems to appear that participants vote lower than non-participants.

I'd like to see how much so on a larger data set, and whether there is a statistical difference between the two.