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03/18/2004 06:40:46 PM · #26
Originally posted by jab119:

Originally posted by ScottK:

Originally posted by Gordon:

This reminds me of the local law that was passed to make pi = 3, rather than the irrational 3.14etc as the maths was too confusing.


Don't know the validity of this site, but this article seems reasonably well researched:

Did a state legislature once pass a law saying pi equals 3?


its false....readup at Snopes.com

pi is still pi

James


Was going to check there next, when I had a minute, but you saved me the search. :) But note that this page specifically addresses Alabama passing a law, but then references the Indiana bill in the link above as real.
03/19/2004 01:34:58 AM · #27
Here's the CNN article regarding the special called vote that rescinded the motion:

link
03/22/2004 06:25:57 PM · #28
Originally posted by robsmith:

Originally posted by Gordon:

This reminds me of the local law that was passed to make pi = 3, rather than the irrational 3.14etc as the maths was too confusing.

pi does equal 3, it's in the bible so it must be true:

2 Chronicles 4: He made a bronze altar twenty cubits long, twenty cubits wide and ten cubits high. He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it.


I actually have a feeling that was part of the justification.

It was in the queue shortly ahead of abolising evolution, or voting to be in favour of devolution or something.
03/22/2004 06:28:34 PM · #29
Originally posted by jab119:


its false....readup at Snopes.com

pi is still pi

James


Urm, your link says its true

... In 1897 the Indiana House of Representatives unanimously passed a measure redefining the area of a circle and the value of pi. (House Bill no. 246, introduced by Rep. Taylor I. Record.) The bill died in the state Senate.

Message edited by author 2004-03-22 18:28:52.
03/22/2004 06:44:48 PM · #30
Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by jab119:


its false....readup at Snopes.com

pi is still pi

James


Urm, your link says its true

... In 1897 the Indiana House of Representatives unanimously passed a measure redefining the area of a circle and the value of pi. (House Bill no. 246, introduced by Rep. Taylor I. Record.) The bill died in the state Senate.


Urm, sorta, but not exactly. It was never passed into law (which you said it was), it was based on (supposedly) mathmatical principals (not because the maths was too confusing - it actually made them more confusing by defining several different values for pi, depending on the application), and it had nothing to do with any biblical arguements (as was implied later).
03/22/2004 09:56:54 PM · #31
Originally posted by ScottK:



... In 1897 the Indiana House of Representatives unanimously passed a measure redefining the area of a circle and the value of pi. (House Bill no. 246, introduced by Rep. Taylor I. Record.) The bill died in the state Senate.


Urm, sorta, but not exactly. It was never passed into law (which you said it was), it was based on (supposedly) mathmatical principals (not because the maths was too confusing - it actually made them more confusing by defining several different values for pi, depending on the application), and it had nothing to do with any biblical arguements (as was implied later). [/quote]

So passing the bill isn't a law ? *shrug* I have no idea how the US legal system works. It seems pretty moronic that they even considered it in the first place, never mind approved it.
03/22/2004 10:18:16 PM · #32
Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by ScottK:

Originally posted by Gordon:



... In 1897 the Indiana House of Representatives unanimously passed a measure redefining the area of a circle and the value of pi. (House Bill no. 246, introduced by Rep. Taylor I. Record.) The bill died in the state Senate.


Urm, sorta, but not exactly. It was never passed into law (which you said it was), it was based on (supposedly) mathmatical principals (not because the maths was too confusing - it actually made them more confusing by defining several different values for pi, depending on the application), and it had nothing to do with any biblical arguements (as was implied later).


So passing the bill isn't a law ? *shrug* I have no idea how the US legal system works. It seems pretty moronic that they even considered it in the first place, never mind approved it.


A bill has to make it through both the house and the senate and then signed by the Governor (in cases of state laws, President signs federal bills)in order to become a law.

//www.ma.lwv.org/government_of_ma/howabill.htm
That's Massachusetts but it's pretty much the same across the board

Message edited by author 2004-03-22 22:20:52.
03/23/2004 01:49:47 AM · #33
....all this talk about pi....now I'm hungry for a big piece of apple pie....with whipped cream....anyone want pie!?!? :)
03/23/2004 02:04:08 AM · #34
Originally posted by Wes:

A bill has to make it through both the house and the senate and then signed by the Governor (in cases of state laws, President signs federal bills)in order to become a law.

//www.ma.lwv.org/government_of_ma/howabill.htm
That's Massachusetts but it's pretty much the same across the board

Most legislatures have a provision for over-riding an executive veto. Often, an executive can allow a bill to become law without a signature by not vetoing it within a specified time limit.
03/23/2004 11:37:17 AM · #35
Originally posted by garlic:

Its the country of freedom (unless you are a gay or have no money).


...or are a Christian.
03/23/2004 01:22:52 PM · #36
No God........no peace.
Know God...Know peace.

i wish that were true. then things would be so much more simple.
03/23/2004 02:12:32 PM · #37
Originally posted by MadMordegon:

No God........no peace.
Know God...Know peace.

i wish that were true. then things would be so much more simple.


Yeah...I wish things were simple. Lot's of things done in the name of "God" are neither simple nor peaceful. For example...the issue that started this thread. I guess my response was just a gut reaction to being told by minorities that majorities are always wrong and bigoted. Being a minority or being a majority doesn't make you right or wrong.

Just for the record, my very best friend in all the world and the Godmother of my daughter is homosexual. We've talked about it, she knows I don't agree...and we still go on (imagine that!) I love her dearly, talk with her just about daily, travel with her often and would trust her beyond anyone else I know. By the way, she's also a Christian.

For me it's simple - Christ showed love to even the most "unloveable" and we should do the same. Doesn't mean I agree with everyone and should tolerate everything.

There is a peace I know from my faith, hence my signature.


03/23/2004 02:31:16 PM · #38
Originally posted by Gordon:

So passing the bill isn't a law ? *shrug* I have no idea how the US legal system works.


Then it's time for your civics lesson: Schoolhouse Rock - I'm Just A Bill :)

Originally posted by Gordon:

It seems pretty moronic that they even considered it in the first place, never mind approved it.


I agree, but then I haven't read the paper by the mathmetician who proposed the idea. Maybe it was very persuasive...? Or maybe it shows how little attention is sometimes paid by legislators to what they vote on.

Message edited by author 2004-03-23 14:32:54.
03/23/2004 02:32:31 PM · #39
Originally posted by MadMordegon:

No God........no peace.
Know God...Know peace.

i wish that were true. then things would be so much more simple.


Maybe you're making things too complicated. :) Give it a chance some time.
03/23/2004 03:45:58 PM · #40
Originally posted by ScottK:

Originally posted by Gordon:

So passing the bill isn't a law ? *shrug* I have no idea how the US legal system works.


Then it's time for your civics lesson: Schoolhouse Rock - I'm Just A Bill :)


Thanks for the link! I found this one even more useful - and I can claim the time as an education credit at work!

Someone should forward this one to John Ashcroft. He seems to have forgotten some of the basic ideas.

Message edited by author 2004-03-23 15:48:34.
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