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01/12/2011 03:09:07 PM · #201 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Why do people want to "carry concealed", anyway? That just seems sneaky. I'd think people would prefer to get big, bedazzled cowboy holsters, chaps, and spurs to show off their guns as fashion accessories.
(ETA, I was typing this post while JH posted his) |
Carry a gun for a month openly and you'll be able to list a few reasons.
The major ones are the fact that the best weapon is one your opponent doesn't know about, and the second reason is that as soon as some granola ass hippy sees that you are openly carrying a gun they'll start in with the "oh does that make you feel like a big tough guy?" line... At which point I usually wanted to punch them in the face and reply that actually just being bigger and meaner than them worked fine to make me feel like a big tough guy, the gun is there to make me not feel like a sally if some jerk wants to pull a gun on me or someone else near me. Of course, it may not be a granola hippy, but you'll find plenty of people who want to offer their opinion on the subject..
And this happens in the wilderness as much as in town. I always preferred to carry concealed, but since it was, at the time, against the law - there were times that I felt carrying the darn thing legally was a good idea... I pretty quickly went back to carrying it concealed despite the legality issues due to the aforementioned anti-gun idiots.. (it's a misdemeanor anyway. Not exactly a huge offense)
Message edited by author 2011-01-12 15:11:36. |
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01/12/2011 03:10:15 PM · #202 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I think you're having problems comparing numbers because homocide and accidental death are separate categories. .... |
Thanks, Paul, you are right. I overlooked that the number referred to accidental firearm discharge.
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01/12/2011 03:11:03 PM · #203 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
...it may not be a granola hippy... |
It may be me! LOL! :-D
But you are still Totally Awesome, in my book. |
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01/12/2011 03:11:17 PM · #204 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Until we allow private citizens the right to own thermo nuclear weaponry, and .50 caliber machine guns with depleted uranium shells strapped to our Bradley fighting vehicles, we have accepted that some arms are not properly owned by private individuals. At what point does the Second Amendment take force? At what point between a hydrogen bomb and a BB gun does our right to keep and bear arms kick in to such a point that "we the people" are not allowed to pass laws to limit what weapons we want to allow in our town or state? |
+1. A very appropriate question for the NRA. |
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01/12/2011 03:12:08 PM · #205 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
...it may not be a granola hippy... |
It may be me! LOL! :-D
But you are still Totally Awesome, in my book. |
Same here slippy |
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01/12/2011 03:13:12 PM · #206 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Until we allow private citizens the right to own thermo nuclear weaponry, and .50 caliber machine guns with depleted uranium shells strapped to our Bradley fighting vehicles, we have accepted that some arms are not properly owned by private individuals. At what point does the Second Amendment take force? At what point between a hydrogen bomb and a BB gun does our right to keep and bear arms kick in to such a point that "we the people" are not allowed to pass laws to limit what weapons we want to allow in our town or state? |
+1. A very appropriate question for the NRA. |
I think anything larger bore than about a foot or so in diameter should probably be left to the military... |
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01/12/2011 03:15:18 PM · #207 |
In North Carolina, to carry concealed, you have to meet these requirements ---
Requirements:
The sheriff shall issue a permit within 90 days after receipt of a complete application to an applicant who:
ΓΆ€ΒΆ is a citizen of the U.S. and has been a resident of the State for at least 30 days immediately prior to filing the application;
ΓΆ€ΒΆ is at least 21;
ΓΆ€ΒΆ does not suffer from a physical or mental infirmity that prevents the safe handling of a handgun;
ΓΆ€ΒΆ has successfully completed an approved firearms safety and training course which involves the actual firing of handguns and instruction in the law governing the carrying of a concealed handgun and the use of deadly force;
ΓΆ€ΒΆ is not ineligible under federal or state law to possess, receive, or own a firearm;
ΓΆ€ΒΆ is not currently or has not been adjudicated or administratively determined to be lacking mental capacity or mentally ill;
ΓΆ€ΒΆ has not been discharged from the armed forces under conditions other than honorable;
ΓΆ€ΒΆ is or has not been adjudicated guilty or judgment continued or suspended sentence for a violent misdemeanor;
ΓΆ€ΒΆ has not had judgment continued for or free on bond or personal recognizance pending trial, appeal, or sentencing for a disqualifying criminal offense;
ΓΆ€ΒΆ has not been convicted of an impaired driving offense within three years prior to the date on which the application is submitted.
Required Documents:
Application completed under oath on a form provided by the sheriff
Full set of fingerprints administered by the sheriff
An original certificate of completion of an approved safety course
A release that authorized and requires disclosure to the sheriff of any records concerning the mental health of capacity of the appliant
To PURCHASE a gun in NC:
A permit or license may not be issued to a person:
* Who is under indictment or who has been convicted of a felony except that if a person has been later pardoned or is not prohibited from purchasing a firearm under the Felony Act, he may obtain a permit or license.
* Who is a fugitive from justice.
* Who is an unlawful user of or addicted to a drug.
* Who has been adjudicated mentally incompetent or has been committed to any mental institution.
* Who is dishonorably discharged from the military.
* Who has renounced his or her citizenship, or
* Who is under a court restraining order for harassing, stalking, threatening an intimate partner or a child.
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01/12/2011 03:22:58 PM · #208 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
... and the second reason is that as soon as some granola ass hippy sees that you are openly carrying a gun they'll start in with the "oh does that make you feel like a big tough guy?" line... At which point I usually wanted to punch them in the face and reply that actually just being bigger and meaner than them worked fine to make me feel like a big tough guy, the gun is there to make me not feel like a sally if some jerk wants to pull a gun on me or someone else near me. Of course, it may not be a granola hippy, but you'll find plenty of people who want to offer their opinion on the subject.. |
Frankly, I'd probably be more impressed with your opinions if you didn't exhibit an apparently uncontrollable obsession with couching them in terms of a stereotypical insult of anyone who might disagree with you in any way. And the same goes for those who consider anyone who believes in responsible gun ownership as an "NRA gun nut."
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01/12/2011 03:27:17 PM · #209 |
Originally posted by karmat:
To PURCHASE a gun in NC:
[i]A permit or license may not be issued to a person:
* Who is an unlawful user of or addicted to a drug. |
The way this is phrased cigarette smokers shouldn't be able to buy guns ... :-) |
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01/12/2011 03:29:11 PM · #210 |
Sorry, just interrupting the gun thing for a second - it has been a four days since the event occurred and we now know much more about the assailant, so I have compiled a list of facts and the blatantly obvious reactionary legislation that we MUST enact to keep us all safe:
* The assailant bought bullets at WalMart - raise the tax on bullets
* The assailant was an atheist - ban (or at least tax) atheism
* Assailant's house was dark and cold - require that all residences have sunlights and thermostats set at 75º
* The assailant was using "Salvia" - Outlaw salvia divinorum and round up any Mazatec Shamans that may be in the country illegally (might as well)
* His head was shaved - put all shaved head persons on a national watch list and prohibit them from purchasing illegal guns (exclusion for naturally bald persons and professional athletes)
* The assailant just plain looks crazy - develop "crazyface detection" software for use in all public CCTV systems
* Much of his anti-government angst was set off by a Zeitgeist YouTube documentary - ban YouTube and abolish documentaries
* The assailant used a gun - ban guns
These solutions are so obvious and nobody could possibly argue with the logic and reasoning behind them unless they, themselves are loony. If we do not enact all of the changes above-- well I just don't feel safe in this country any more and may just take up residence in Yemen. |
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01/12/2011 03:30:35 PM · #211 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by karmat:
To PURCHASE a gun in NC:
[i]A permit or license may not be issued to a person:
* Who is an unlawful user of or addicted to a drug. |
The way this is phrased cigarette smokers shouldn't be able to buy guns ... :-) |
But, remember it is NORTH CAROLINA. Tobacco is our friend. :/ |
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01/12/2011 03:34:52 PM · #212 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
* His head was shaved - put all shaved head persons on a national watch list and prohibit them from purchasing illegal guns (exclusion for naturally bald persons and professional athletes) |
In view of the numerous stupid things professional athletes do with guns, I'm not so sure I'd exempt them from this policy, unless they promise to only shoot themselves in the groin when they take their piece into a crowded nightclub ... |
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01/12/2011 03:43:14 PM · #213 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
* His head was shaved - put all shaved head persons on a national watch list and prohibit them from purchasing illegal guns (exclusion for naturally bald persons and professional athletes) |
In view of the numerous stupid things professional athletes do with guns, I'm not so sure I'd exempt them from this policy, unless they promise to only shoot themselves in the groin when they take their piece into a crowded nightclub ... |
Further exception noted. Bill amended. |
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01/12/2011 03:55:40 PM · #214 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
In view of the numerous stupid things professional athletes do with guns, I'm not so sure I'd exempt them from this policy, unless they promise to only shoot themselves in the groin when they take their piece into a crowded nightclub ... |
Didn't he receive a two year jail sentence? I'm guessing his groin testisfy against him.
*groan*
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01/12/2011 04:11:22 PM · #215 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
... and the second reason is that as soon as some granola ass hippy sees that you are openly carrying a gun they'll start in with the "oh does that make you feel like a big tough guy?" line... At which point I usually wanted to punch them in the face and reply that actually just being bigger and meaner than them worked fine to make me feel like a big tough guy, the gun is there to make me not feel like a sally if some jerk wants to pull a gun on me or someone else near me. Of course, it may not be a granola hippy, but you'll find plenty of people who want to offer their opinion on the subject.. |
Frankly, I'd probably be more impressed with your opinions if you didn't exhibit an apparently uncontrollable obsession with couching them in terms of a stereotypical insult of anyone who might disagree with you in any way. And the same goes for those who consider anyone who believes in responsible gun ownership as an "NRA gun nut."
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Really, I'm not at all generally that way, but when you start getting aggressive towards someone because they've got a gun, and you are trying to get a rise out of them, sure, I think you outta have your nose broken, just to teach you some g-damn manners, not everybody is your momma, and they ain't gonna always take your shit, simple lesson that some folks seem to have never learned..
If it's just someone who's politely opposed, then that's a different matter... I call those folks, people who are opposed, not something less complementary and intentionally inflammatory.
Message edited by author 2011-01-12 16:14:28. |
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01/12/2011 04:17:39 PM · #216 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Really, I'm not at all generally that way, but when you start getting aggressive towards someone because they've got a gun, and you are trying to get a rise out of them, sure, I think you outta have your nose broken, just to teach you some g-damn manners, not everybody is your momma, and they ain't gonna always take your shit, simple lesson that some folks seem to have never learned..
If it's just someone who's politely opposed, then that's a different matter... I call those folks, people who are opposed, not something less complementary and intentionally inflammatory. |
You cannot contradict yourself more if you tried. |
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01/12/2011 05:16:16 PM · #217 |
Originally posted by VitaminB:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Really, I'm not at all generally that way, but when you start getting aggressive towards someone because they've got a gun, and you are trying to get a rise out of them, sure, I think you outta have your nose broken, just to teach you some g-damn manners, not everybody is your momma, and they ain't gonna always take your shit, simple lesson that some folks seem to have never learned..
If it's just someone who's politely opposed, then that's a different matter... I call those folks, people who are opposed, not something less complementary and intentionally inflammatory. |
You cannot contradict yourself more if you tried. |
Perhaps you should consider a bit remedial English education.
Let me simplify for the simple.
People who are non-aggressive but opposed are fine by me... People who try to start fights with someone carrying a gun, simply because they are carrying that gun, deserve whatever they might get. Make sense now? And you're damn right I'm quite willing to meet aggression with greater aggression - that's one of the issues I have with some folks, they think I should meet an aggressor with the "turn the other cheek" mentality... Sorry, but I'd rather not, as one bruised cheek is quite enough for me. |
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01/12/2011 05:21:55 PM · #218 |
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01/12/2011 05:26:08 PM · #219 |
How does someone objecting to your viewpoint -- even vociferously -- "bruise" your cheek? Given your own propensity for aggressive language, why should you expect less from anyone else?
So, if you carry you're allowed to be rude and obnoxious, but if you like whole-grain cereal you must be servile? Maybe if you ate more whole-grain cereal yourself you wouldn't be so full of ... |
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01/12/2011 05:30:46 PM · #220 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by VitaminB:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Really, I'm not at all generally that way, but when you start getting aggressive towards someone because they've got a gun, and you are trying to get a rise out of them, sure, I think you outta have your nose broken, just to teach you some g-damn manners, not everybody is your momma, and they ain't gonna always take your shit, simple lesson that some folks seem to have never learned..
If it's just someone who's politely opposed, then that's a different matter... I call those folks, people who are opposed, not something less complementary and intentionally inflammatory. |
You cannot contradict yourself more if you tried. |
Perhaps you should consider a bit remedial English education.
Let me simplify for the simple.
People who are non-aggressive but opposed are fine by me... People who try to start fights with someone carrying a gun, simply because they are carrying that gun, deserve whatever they might get. Make sense now? And you're damn right I'm quite willing to meet aggression with greater aggression - that's one of the issues I have with some folks, they think I should meet an aggressor with the "turn the other cheek" mentality... Sorry, but I'd rather not, as one bruised cheek is quite enough for me. |
Interesting. That you would consider some innocuous comment from someone as "aggressive" is telling. What it says about you is that you carry a low self-esteem about your person, and that you actually sub-consciously question yourself enough that you can't accept an opposing viewpoint without fantasizing about carrying it to violent extremes.
Message edited by author 2011-01-12 17:43:02. |
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01/12/2011 05:33:59 PM · #221 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
I always preferred to carry concealed, but since it was, at the time, against the law - there were times that I felt carrying the darn thing legally was a good idea... I pretty quickly went back to carrying it concealed despite the legality issues due to the aforementioned anti-gun idiots.. (it's a misdemeanor anyway. Not exactly a huge offense) |
Have you actually used it yet? Just curious, really, I don't live in New Mexico, but I haven't needed one yet in Los Angeles, or previously in Philadelphia. If not, what do you do during any 24 hour period that makes you want to carry a gun. |
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01/12/2011 05:36:32 PM · #222 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by VitaminB:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Really, I'm not at all generally that way, but when you start getting aggressive towards someone because they've got a gun, and you are trying to get a rise out of them, sure, I think you outta have your nose broken, just to teach you some g-damn manners, not everybody is your momma, and they ain't gonna always take your shit, simple lesson that some folks seem to have never learned..
If it's just someone who's politely opposed, then that's a different matter... I call those folks, people who are opposed, not something less complementary and intentionally inflammatory. |
You cannot contradict yourself more if you tried. |
Perhaps you should consider a bit remedial English education.
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Such as using the word "ain't"? ;)
Message edited by author 2011-01-12 17:37:31. |
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01/12/2011 05:38:29 PM · #223 |
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
If not, what do you do during any 24 hour period that makes you want to carry a gun. |
I believe Corey works in I.T, so, honestly, who the hell can blame him. It's either that or World Of Warcraft i imagine. |
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01/12/2011 05:43:49 PM · #224 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by VitaminB:
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Really, I'm not at all generally that way, but when you start getting aggressive towards someone because they've got a gun, and you are trying to get a rise out of them, sure, I think you outta have your nose broken, just to teach you some g-damn manners, not everybody is your momma, and they ain't gonna always take your shit, simple lesson that some folks seem to have never learned..
If it's just someone who's politely opposed, then that's a different matter... I call those folks, people who are opposed, not something less complementary and intentionally inflammatory. |
You cannot contradict yourself more if you tried. |
Perhaps you should consider a bit remedial English education.
Let me simplify for the simple.
People who are non-aggressive but opposed are fine by me... People who try to start fights with someone carrying a gun, simply because they are carrying that gun, deserve whatever they might get. Make sense now? And you're damn right I'm quite willing to meet aggression with greater aggression - that's one of the issues I have with some folks, they think I should meet an aggressor with the "turn the other cheek" mentality... Sorry, but I'd rather not, as one bruised cheek is quite enough for me. |
Interesting. That you would consider some innocuous comment from someone as "aggressive" is telling. What it says about you is that you carry a low self-esteem about your person, and that you actually sub-consciously question yourself enough that you can't accept an opposing viewpoint without fantasizing about carrying it to violent extremes. |
Ergo, he should be the first on the list to have his guns taken away from him. |
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01/12/2011 05:45:10 PM · #225 |
| Someone needs to come to Jesus... ;P |
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