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01/01/2011 06:25:03 PM · #26 |
You know, you learn something new every day.
From his website, a first for me: seeing a request to "Donate to my Lens Fund" from a professional photographer.
Have I been missing a nice source of income? |
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01/01/2011 06:26:46 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by punk_kaos:
Ok, for those that were interested:
His site: www.creativeflashes.com
Mine: www.piratelogy.com |
Ok, first of all did you type your link correctly?
Secondly, I am not trying to side with you just because you're a dpc'er but hes got nerve to offer apprenticeships, someone should offer him one for photoshop! seriously? a white vignette on every other wedding shot? i can goto awkwardfamilyphotos.com for that kinda stuff
Message edited by author 2011-01-01 18:27:08. |
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01/01/2011 06:28:03 PM · #28 |
| LOL oh crap, i just noticed you are both in my neck of the woods! |
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01/01/2011 06:28:47 PM · #29 |
You site isn't loading for me.
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01/01/2011 06:45:06 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
LOL oh crap, i just noticed you are both in my neck of the woods! |
Hehe. I noticed that too... |
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01/01/2011 06:54:57 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by karmat:
You site isn't loading for me. |
Hmm, interesting. Well, I aught to fix that then :O
This should also get you there... //71.193.227.84
I also have a small subset on Flickr //www.flickr.com/photos/54110121@N02/ |
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01/01/2011 06:58:32 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by punk_kaos:
Ok, for those that were interested:
His site: www.creativeflashes.com
Mine: www.piratelogy.com |
Ok, first of all did you type your link correctly?
Secondly, I am not trying to side with you just because you're a dpc'er but hes got nerve to offer apprenticeships, someone should offer him one for photoshop! seriously? a white vignette on every other wedding shot? i can goto awkwardfamilyphotos.com for that kinda stuff |
Yeah, that was the part that really got my goat. He might be some hot stuff photographer, but you don't walk into someone's workplace(Which is what that wedding was at that time) and say, "Let me teach you how to do your job".
(I will admit that I'm wildly guilty of overuse of vignette though as well. Though never a white one) |
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01/01/2011 07:00:28 PM · #33 |
| you got some nice stuff there, especially the studio shots. keep doing your thang and put that addendum in the contract |
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01/01/2011 07:03:23 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
you got some nice stuff there, especially the studio shots. keep doing your thang and put that addendum in the contract |
Thanks! Peer compliments always mean a lot :) |
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01/01/2011 07:21:30 PM · #35 |
The second photo on the top row is really wonderful(In your portfolio I meant :P). I agree with Smardaz about his overuse with vignetting. I keep rubbing my eyes trying to make it go away.
Message edited by author 2011-01-01 20:05:49. |
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01/01/2011 07:31:50 PM · #36 |
White vignettes = bad!
However his work is average to be honest - nothing there that makes me go Wow!
But saying that - I see nothing on your site wedding related - so kind of hard to call the comparison. |
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01/01/2011 07:56:29 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by jvaughn94:
... I agree with Smardaz about his overuse with vignetting. I keep rubbing my eyes trying to make it go away. |
Could be something the client requested and/or liked? |
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01/01/2011 08:01:50 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by jvaughn94:
... I agree with Smardaz about his overuse with vignetting. I keep rubbing my eyes trying to make it go away. |
Could be something the client requested and/or liked? |
i suppose that could be the case, i have a hard time imagining the average client specifically asking for that but it could be |
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01/01/2011 08:07:38 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Simms:
White vignettes = bad!
However his work is average to be honest - nothing there that makes me go Wow!
But saying that - I see nothing on your site wedding related - so kind of hard to call the comparison. |
Honestly, thats because I rarely shoot weddings. Though I agree, it does make it a bit hard to compare more than generally.
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01/01/2011 08:14:57 PM · #40 |
P K, You totally missed a great opportunity to tear a business card into 24 little pieces and blow it off your palm into the trash can at the wedding. : p
Sorry you had a bad time with the jerky one, but that's just comes with the territory once in a while. I agree with the contract clause about being able to keep control of the shooting situation, esp for the formals. That's a very good idea.
Sometimes I will ghost shoot a wedding for family or friends. For that I try to shoot existing light and very rarely use flash, and only at times when it will not interfere with the paid photog, or the ceremony in any way. I saved the show for one of my in laws daughter by getting the group shots outdoors at night (with the phtog's permission) when the paid photographer totally could not get his system to get the shots for some reason. I hope that I never come across as being anything like the jerky one you ran into.
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01/01/2011 08:16:39 PM · #41 |
What an ass.
I think you've already allowed him too much of your attention, there are better things for you to worry about.
As to the websites, his work is nothing special, but if he has good luck with it, good for him.
You site has no wedding work at all...very hard to compare. I will say that you B&W conversions look pretty flat and muddy.
Now, if your site had an abundance of great wedding work, when he handed you his card and made his snide "apprenticeship" remark, you could have handed him yours and said you were thinking about considering him for an apprenticeship.
I think the best thing for you to do is to put him out of your mind and focus on your work and your business. |
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01/01/2011 08:19:22 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:
I agree with the contract clause about being able to keep control of the shooting situation, esp for the formals. That's a very good idea.
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I disagree. It sounds great, but explain how that would play out in this situation?
There's not really a practical way to enforce such a clause that doesn't make the photographer look like an ass. |
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01/01/2011 08:27:10 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
What an ass.
I think you've already allowed him too much of your attention, there are better things for you to worry about.
As to the websites, his work is nothing special, but if he has good luck with it, good for him.
You site has no wedding work at all...very hard to compare. I will say that you B&W conversions look pretty flat and muddy.
Now, if your site had an abundance of great wedding work, when he handed you his card and made his snide "apprenticeship" remark, you could have handed him yours and said you were thinking about considering him for an apprenticeship.
I think the best thing for you to do is to put him out of your mind and focus on your work and your business. |
Thats probably a very valid suggestion :)
Its likely because I really don't do that many weddings that I've not run into this sort of person before. Like you said, at the end of the day, he doesn't matter that much. I'll keep working on what I love and trying to get better at it, and I'll probably never see him again. It just kinda blew my mind that another photog would act this way. Maybe I've been lucky, but every photog I've ever met has been a fantastic person who have been great to talk to or work with.
EDIT: And like you said, it really isn't about being BETTER than him, he very well could be a much better photographer than I. I just was kinda at a loss even how to deal with someone like that. Most people are more than happy to get out of the way when asked politely.
Message edited by author 2011-01-01 20:30:25. |
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01/01/2011 08:39:00 PM · #44 |
I agree with Spork, that guy's stuff is pretty ho-hum, didn't see anything in his portfolio that would score much over the mid-5s here. To be honest, it sounds like most of the jackassery starts with the MofH, and simply percolated down the line to Mr Asshat Arrogant Photographer Supreme. I ran into one at a horse show this past fall and while he didn't exactly offer me an apprenticeship, he sure thought he was hot shit. Then I saw his portfolio and snickered myself to sleep :-)
Don't worry about Asshat and move on. And if he's seriously asking people to contribute to a buy-his-next-lens fund...well, that sure tells you a lot about him, doesn't it? |
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01/01/2011 08:53:48 PM · #45 |
I haven't looked at your website or his, but anyone who goes to a wedding as a guest and interferes with the wedding officials (of which you were one) should be hauled off by the police.
Seriously! What was he thinking?
Even if he was a PERFECT photographer (and I don't think there is one), I wouldn't hire him for free if I knew of his actions with you. |
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01/01/2011 10:05:54 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by punk_kaos:
Originally posted by tnun:
MoH BF's nose out of joint that he wasn't asked to photograph the wedding? And assuming you are of the female persuasion, just possibly something else kicked in? |
Heh, no. I'm a Guy. And the bride had never met him, and he's only been dating the MoH for a
Few weeks so that's probably not likely in this case. |
Just reading through the thread again...Circumstances were largely beyond your control, but that phrase seems like a great big huge red flag. Nobody is asked to be MofH at the last minute, you know damn well in advance.
So Mr Asshat *just happens* to have *just started* dating the MofH? And *just happens* to appear at the wedding, all geared up and ready to go? I'm not saying he began dating her just to try to land the wedding gig, but seems to have been taking unfair(?) advantage of the role she would be playing. Seems like a damn cheap-ass and unprofessional way to try to land a gig, by horning in on the guy hired to shoot it. |
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01/01/2011 10:45:09 PM · #47 |
How exactly does comparing websites clarify anything?
You were the hired photographer and he was in the wrong. You've (hopefully) learned a lesson about dealing with people at weddings. In the future, you'll know to deal with the person up front and stop shooting right away. Just the act of you continuing to shoot with him getting in the way sent a signal to everyone that his behavior was acceptable to you.
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01/02/2011 12:55:50 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by alohadave:
How exactly does comparing websites clarify anything?
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I asked to see the websites because he offered him an apprenticeship so i figured he must be really talented |
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01/02/2011 02:33:55 AM · #49 |
| My dream is to get an apprenticeship from someone who's "pro" website is hosted at Smugmug. |
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01/02/2011 02:46:20 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
My dream is to get an apprenticeship from someone who's "pro" website is hosted at Smugmug. |
Day 1: Adding white vignette's to give your shoot that cheesy 80's feel
Day 2: Superimposing the couple's image on a champagne glass
Day 3: Graduation |
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