Posthumous Ribbon !? - DPChallenge Forums

11/19/2010 07:00:26 PM · #81

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:

you think you have it bad? what about me?? anything I do is by definition posthumous.

geinafets

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

11/19/2010 07:08:00 PM · #82

Originally posted by bspurgeon:

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
I've got no idea what to do for the challenge. Same thing happened for the Fine Art challenge. Complete photographers block and i couldn't think of anything to do until last minute. Yikes! Too much freedom. Don't like it! I need the bars and cages to bang my head against guys!

Yep. Agreed. Steve and Brian added valid points to this as well. I think I'll take Steve's approach and create my own cage for this challenge. BTW, I believe Bear has often made this point about restrictive topics breeding creativity.

There are even big, important peer-reviewed journal articles that say restriction encourages more creativity than freedom. Freedom gives us the option to take the easy way out!

I'm trying to decide if I'll have more fun coming up with something I like or if I'll have more fun voting.

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

11/19/2010 07:13:18 PM · #83

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
I've got no idea what to do for the challenge. Same thing happened for the Fine Art challenge. Complete photographers block and i couldn't think of anything to do until last minute. Yikes! Too much freedom. Don't like it! I need the bars and cages to bang my head against guys!

you think you have it bad? what about me?? anything I do is by definition posthumous.

You've never won a posthumous so how would you know?

RayEthier

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

11/19/2010 07:24:09 PM · #84

Originally posted by geinafets:

There are even big, important peer-reviewed journal articles that say restriction encourages more creativity than freedom. Freedom gives us the option to take the easy way out!

If indeed such is the case then one would think that creativity would abound in structured challenges... but I am absolutely convinced that

Posthumous would disagree with this statement.

Conversely, in this situation we are removing the shackles normally associated with regular challenges and as such stifling creativity.

Go ahead... tell me I'm wrong.

Ray

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

11/19/2010 07:31:45 PM · #85

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Conversely, in this situation we are removing the shackles normally associated with regular challenges and as such stifling creativity.

Go ahead... tell me I'm wrong.

I think it varies by the individual.

geinafets

Canon EOS-50D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

11/19/2010 07:36:32 PM · #86

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by geinafets:

There are even big, important peer-reviewed journal articles that say restriction encourages more creativity than freedom. Freedom gives us the option to take the easy way out!

If indeed such is the case then one would think that creativity would abound in structured challenges... but I am absolutely convinced that Posthumous would disagree with this statement.

Conversely, in this situation we are removing the shackles normally associated with regular challenges and as such stifling creativity.

Go ahead... tell me I'm wrong.

Ray

I didn't say that creativity is impossible when there are no (or should I say "limited") restrictions. I just said that there are journal articles that agree with Bear and those who think restriction helps/encourages/whatevers creativity.

Of course there will be exceptions and some people will prefer to have as few restrictions as possible, but can you honestly say that you don't see how restrictions can help? People are lazy. (If weren't, we wouldn't have any motivation to invent things that make our lives "easier.") We try to take the easy way out when we can. Putting restrictions on what we can and can't do forces us to think in a way we normally wouldn't, which some might say is the definition of creativity.

ETA: I think this challenge *does* have a lot of restrictions on it. Just reading this thread will show you a bunch of restrictions that people think this challenge has. But since this challenge is forcing us to think in a way we normally wouldn't, I think there will be a lot of creative entries. I was originally talking about restrictions and creativity more in respect to the bigger picture, not just this challenge.

Message edited by author 2010-11-19 19:39:23.

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

11/19/2010 07:41:48 PM · #87

Originally posted by RayEthier:

You're wrong because voters in general don't reward creativity. Just look at the front page.

noraneko

Canon EOS R5

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

11/19/2010 07:52:28 PM · #88

I really hope the voters vote in the spirit of Don

posthumous for this challenge. I myself can't wait to vote and reward some very postumous-esque photos! Yea for this challenge!

RayEthier

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM

11/19/2010 08:04:34 PM · #89

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by RayEthier:

Originally posted by geinafets:

There are even big, important peer-reviewed journal articles that say restriction encourages more creativity than freedom. Freedom gives us the option to take the easy way out!

If indeed such is the case then one would think that creativity would abound in structured challenges... but I am absolutely convinced that Posthumous would disagree with this statement.

Conversely, in this situation we are removing the shackles normally associated with regular challenges and as such stifling creativity.

Go ahead... tell me I'm wrong.

Ray

You're wrong because voters in general don't reward creativity. Just look at the front page.

Indeed, and a great number of the shots that some people would have us interpret as art are nothing of the sort. What I do see are mindless attempts at generating images that some believe fit the prescribed mold.

Don't get me wrong... there truly are images worthy of consideration, but the fact remains that most are no more appealing than those you seemingly dislike.

A chacun son point de vue.

Ray

Message edited by author 2010-11-19 20:05:23.

hihosilver

Nikon D200

Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 28-70mm f/2.8D IF-ED

11/19/2010 09:07:40 PM · #90

Originally posted by RayEthier:

A chacun son point de vue.

Ray

Well, I, for one, am certainly looking forward to your entry, Ray! Let the fun begin! ;-)

Strikeslip

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS

11/19/2010 10:37:30 PM · #91

I actually caught

Posthumous on video when this challenge was announced. Check it out here!

11/19/2010 10:57:31 PM · #92

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

I actually caught Posthumous on video when this challenge was announced. Check it out here!

hey, I've been working out!

Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 Di II LD Aspherical (IF) for Nikon

11/19/2010 10:59:13 PM · #93

Originally posted by RayEthier:

the fact remains that most are no more appealing than those you seemingly dislike.

90% of everything is crap. Nothing to get hung about.

levyj413

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

11/19/2010 11:43:39 PM · #94

Reading this thread, it's like old home week. :)

TrollMan

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Fujifilm XF 35mm f/1.4

11/20/2010 01:27:18 AM · #95

lol - This thread alone is incentive enough for me to submit an entry. Can't wait to see all of them! :)

K3Master

Pentax K-3

Pentax D-FA* 70-200mm f/2.8 ED DC AW

11/20/2010 01:28:05 AM · #96

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by RayEthier:
the fact remains that most are no more appealing than those you seemingly dislike.

90% of everything is crap. Nothing to get hung about.

Strawberry fields forever.

FocusPoint

XIAOMI Redmi Note 8 Pro

11/20/2010 02:55:27 AM · #97

I entered something.. I don't think it will win anything, not even a brown. My only hope is to be able to keep it in 6s range.

rooum

11/20/2010 05:13:42 AM · #98

Originally posted by hihosilver:

Originally posted by RayEthier:
A chacun son point de vue.

Ray

Well, I, for one, am certainly looking forward to your entry, Ray! Let the fun begin! ;-)

Yea, Ray! Dig out that Lensbaby you've got buried under all that Canon gear. Perfect opportunity to get back on the challenge entering horse. The more the merrier!

zencow

Canon EOS-550D Rebel T2i

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

11/20/2010 05:54:35 AM · #99

The only thing about this challenge that scares me a little is the "Advanced Editing", but I haven't let that stop me from entering my "Basic Editing" compliant images in other such challenges.

What I like best about this one is all the commotion about "thinking differently" and "trying new things". Those things really seem like the best ingredients to make for a true "challenge".

Something that has come up a few times about the typical winners and front-page images is that they often "lack creativity". I can understand that one, but I'm starting to think about that whole thing in a different way, too. I've never submitted a water-drop or wine-glass shot. Frankly, I haven't got the setup for these things, but they would be "new" subjects for me. They would also be true challenges, if I were to put my mind to the task and pursue them. Those topics may seem "ho hum" to some, but that may only be because there might be a lot of history for those kinds of shots. I honestly do feel similar about many of the ribbon shots, but not all. There's an area of "fake" or "fabricated" beauty that totally turns me off. However, I do still feel a tug of interest for certain water drop shots. I have been fascinated by time-lapse and high-speed film recording since I was a kid, and some of the water drop shots can pull me back to that time of early discovery. Eventually, I will submit something like that, and it will be an accomplishment and, I hope, done with creativity.

Even though I might be put off by some of the typical "eye-candy" shots, I can't help but think about these ideas and consider that the photographers of these "un-creative" shots may actually be applying great creativity (certainly great technical skill) in their shots, even if the choice of subject may seem to lack creativity on the surface.

Anyway... I'm just spewing some oddball thoughts I'm having a couple/few hours past my bedtime, after taking time to catch up on this thread. Good luck to everyone who even attempt to rise to this challenge! The effort alone should be worth the price of admission... ;)