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10/29/2010 11:38:53 AM · #1 |
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10/29/2010 12:16:32 PM · #2 |
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10/29/2010 01:36:16 PM · #3 |
Good. This is behavior that clearly crosses a line, and I'm glad to see people being held accountable for doing things like that even in "anonymity".
This is so far and beyond your usual "troll" however. It seems they co-opted the term and made it much more specific. |
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10/29/2010 01:50:16 PM · #4 |
Good, but he deserves more time, IMO.
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10/29/2010 01:51:14 PM · #5 |
| Dang! Maybe I need to change my username. I'm allergic to the inside of prison cells. |
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10/29/2010 01:53:47 PM · #6 |
| While I think the troll and others like him are vile human beings, I am not at all a fan of this type of speech legislation. You who are cheering this should probably make sure all your posts are not offensive to anyone. Slippery slope, I say. |
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10/29/2010 01:59:02 PM · #7 |
| Does this mean we'll all get good scores now? LOL |
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10/29/2010 02:01:29 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
While I think the troll and others like him are vile human beings, I am not at all a fan of this type of speech legislation. You who are cheering this should probably make sure all your posts are not offensive to anyone. Slippery slope, I say. |
Slippery slope yes... but there needs to be some accountability for things published. The net is a newish medium. The press has always been held accountable by it's readers and/or the civil courts. Other civilians have been kept in check by swift ass-whippin's for making such statements. Come to think of it, the courts should have just given those affected the douchebag's address.
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10/29/2010 02:02:24 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
While I think the troll and others like him are vile human beings, I am not at all a fan of this type of speech legislation. You who are cheering this should probably make sure all your posts are not offensive to anyone. Slippery slope, I say. |
very slippery slope.
While its sounds great to those offended, i have a problem with jailing this guy.
I hope this doesnt happen here in the US. Granted there can be a fine line border on free speech and harasment.
Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak freely without censorship or limitation, or both. The synonymous term freedom of expression is sometimes used to indicate not only freedom of verbal speech but any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used. In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country and the right is commonly subject to limitations, such as on "hate speech".
One it happens, the precedent is set to impose limitations on others.
Message edited by author 2010-10-29 14:03:47. |
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10/29/2010 02:07:20 PM · #10 |
Freedom of speech was never intended as the "right" to say anything you desire. It's true intention is to be able to speak out against the government.
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10/29/2010 02:08:53 PM · #11 |
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Message edited by author 2010-10-29 16:07:21. |
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10/29/2010 02:48:01 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by amsterdamman:
18 weeks for being a true internet jerk! |
In NYC they're looking into banning "cat-calling" on the street. Apparently some construction workers bothered the wrong girls: Lawmakers review street harassment in NYC
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
.... Slippery slope, I say. |
Or maybe that should be "Slippy slope". :-) |
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10/29/2010 03:00:52 PM · #13 |
It always amuses me (and saddens me at the same time) whenever something like this makes people cry for "freedom of speech". I'm sorry, you don't have, nor SHOULD you have, the freedom to outright prey on the emotions and sensitivities by what you say or write.
Jailing would be harsh and an over-reaction in 99.99% of cases. In a case like this, however, where someone has CLEARLY and REPEATEDLY engaged in actions that were far above your usual criticisms, insults and/or other things of that nature then I'm all for handing out some harsh punishment. Hopefully it makes a statement and causes people to maybe stop and think for a moment.
As for slippery slopes, meh. Anything can be a slippery slope if you want it to be. Not doing something would be worse than worrying about where actions MIGHT go in the future. |
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10/29/2010 03:03:16 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Freedom of speech was never intended as the "right" to say anything you desire. It's true intention is to be able to speak out against the government. |
no. i completely agree, but if you look at message board posts especially here in the US, politics really get people incensed, and the threads turn real nasty.
I just just don't want it common practice to start jailing people because they got upset over what someone posted about them on the internet, especially against those in positions of power.
Its all start with a little incident like this...
Message edited by author 2010-10-29 15:03:36. |
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10/29/2010 03:16:59 PM · #15 |
Cell-mate: Hey, fresh meat, what are you in for?
Slippy: Trolling, so you'd better give me your smokes. I'll be taking that top bunk too. |
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10/29/2010 03:22:31 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Freedom of speech was never intended as the "right" to say anything you desire. It's true intention is to be able to speak out against the government. |
no. i completely agree, but if you look at message board posts especially here in the US, politics really get people incensed, and the threads turn real nasty.
I just just don't want it common practice to start jailing people because they got upset over what someone posted about them on the internet, especially against those in positions of power.
Its all start with a little incident like this... |
Hardly. This is a far, far different case than arguments getting heated. In fact, they're about as different as you can GET. Now, if someone on this site signed up on my facebook and started leaving threatening and abusive posts for no reason at all, other than they get off on the fact that I'd be upset about it, I'd hope they could be punished for such behavior. If they merely called me names and insulted me because I was arguing with them, in the same forum, then whatever.
See the difference? |
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10/29/2010 07:27:20 PM · #17 |
| I think that troll got what he deserved. I think that the right to freedom of speech has to be balanced with the rights of victims of abuse. Here in Australia there have been teenage suicides because of nasty and concerted campaigns of intimidation and defamation, conducted by bullies via internet and cell phone, against other students. |
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10/30/2010 01:33:12 AM · #18 |
IMO, if words posted on the internet can drive someone to suicide, the larger problem lies not with the bully. *queue audible gasps*
Everyone has a different threshold for being pushed. Who will decide what speech crosses the line? Mind you I am keeping my opinions limited to the context of posting on the internet and between adults, not minors. There are already too many attempts to stifle free speech in this country and it's all being done for power and politics. There are MANY people that spew what I consider to be hateful speech (i.e. 80% of YouTube comments on ANY video) and while it sounds nice to pass some law allowing me to burn their village and shut them up, it is the last thing I want to do. We must take the bad with the good if we want to remain free. I think it's utterly foolish to think you can draw a line and that line will never get moved over and swallow you up when you end up saying the wrong thing. Oops, I think I may have called some of you fools. That is hate speech. I am going to go turn myself in now. :(
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10/30/2010 02:38:34 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Cell-mate: Hey, fresh meat, what are you in for?
Slippy: Trolling, so you'd better give me your smokes. I'll be taking that top bunk too. |
LMAO I love it when people can make a joke out of something like this. I think that as long as you're not a jerk...you got nothing to worry about :)
Also, it's one thing when you're in a controversial conversation and maybe you say something offensive, and another thing to put rude things on someone's page, especially when their family died. Who does that? Jerk!
I think all jerks should go to jail. lol |
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10/30/2010 02:46:55 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
IMO, if words posted on the internet can drive someone to suicide, the larger problem lies not with the bully. *queue audible gasps*
Everyone has a different threshold for being pushed. Who will decide what speech crosses the line? Mind you I am keeping my opinions limited to the context of posting on the internet and between adults, not minors. There are already too many attempts to stifle free speech in this country and it's all being done for power and politics. There are MANY people that spew what I consider to be hateful speech (i.e. 80% of YouTube comments on ANY video) and while it sounds nice to pass some law allowing me to burn their village and shut them up, it is the last thing I want to do. We must take the bad with the good if we want to remain free. I think it's utterly foolish to think you can draw a line and that line will never get moved over and swallow you up when you end up saying the wrong thing. Oops, I think I may have called some of you fools. That is hate speech. I am going to go turn myself in now. :(
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Lol, i totally get what you're saying, I'm 50/50 about this. In a way I think it's a good thing he got punished, but there's always going to be rude people like that guy. And I'm so sick of hearing about all the suing and harassments as it is, i can't even imagine hearing something like "Joe Shmoe called Ana Bannana a hoe so he had to be put behind bars" type news. Although, it would be funny. |
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10/30/2010 03:16:40 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by violici:
i can't even imagine hearing something like "Joe Shmoe called Ana Bannana a hoe so he had to be put behind bars" type news. Although, it would be funny. |
Unless you are Joe Schmoe.
ps: you spelled Joe's last name incorrectly which is a sign of disrespect and disrespectful speech, while not as bad as hate speech, is still intolerable. 40 hours of community service and two years probation. |
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10/30/2010 07:20:15 AM · #22 |
This guy was, in effect, spray painting mean messages on peoples' gravestones.
I wonder what the penalty of law is for that, and how close it is to two years. Maybe it's bang on, less the cost of cleaning up physical spray paint? Any lawyers in the house? I'm curious.
Message edited by author 2010-10-30 07:20:54. |
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10/31/2010 08:16:10 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by violici:
i can't even imagine hearing something like "Joe Shmoe called Ana Bannana a hoe so he had to be put behind bars" type news. Although, it would be funny. |
Unless you are Joe Schmoe.
ps: you spelled Joe's last name incorrectly which is a sign of disrespect and disrespectful speech, while not as bad as hate speech, is still intolerable. 40 hours of community service and two years probation. |
It's a different Joe Shmoe. not the Joe Schmoe that you know so ha! no community service for me |
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10/31/2010 08:16:51 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
This guy was, in effect, spray painting mean messages on peoples' gravestones.
I wonder what the penalty of law is for that, and how close it is to two years. Maybe it's bang on, less the cost of cleaning up physical spray paint? Any lawyers in the house? I'm curious. |
They should just make him clean it up and film it and put it on the news so we can laugh at him hahaha. |
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