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03/11/2004 05:53:17 PM · #451 |
Protestantism is based on Martin Luther's objections to Catholicism. Lutherans are the Germanic Protestants. You know, you must have heard of all that Protestant vs. Catholic stuff in Ireland...
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I suppose that is the basis of Protestantism ... |
Sorry, I really can't say since I'm not well versed in the beliefs of most Christian religions. I even studied religion in University, but it was mostly on world religions as opposed to Christianity.
Can you elaborate on what you mean? |
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03/11/2004 05:55:13 PM · #452 |
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I suppose that is the basis of Protestantism ... |
Sorry, I really can't say since I'm not well versed in the beliefs of most Christian religions. I even studied religion in University, but it was mostly on world religions as opposed to Christianity.
Can you elaborate on what you mean? |
Not really TOO much, as I'm not an expert in any of them, although I have friends who practice all of them.
I thought that the basic schism in the Christianity -- the splitting-off of (what became) the various Protestant sects from the Catholic Church -- in part revolved around the infallibility (or lack thereof) and supreme authority of the Pope. Undoubtedly there are a few true Christians who can elaborate further. |
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03/11/2004 05:59:49 PM · #453 |
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
Protestantism is based on Martin Luther's objections to Catholicism. Lutherans are the Germanic Protestants. You know, you must have heard of all that Protestant vs. Catholic stuff in Ireland... |
Unfortunately yea I've seen/heard the decades/centuries of disputes in Ireland between Catholic/Protestant. We get alot of filtered information down this way and I'm never sure what to rely on so I haven't formed any opinions on that entire subject. But personally, I do not like or follow any RC practices which are based mostly on tradition and very little apon faith and scripture. |
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03/11/2004 06:06:00 PM · #454 |
PS - I find it quite funny that you've got Oscar Wilde quotes in your profile, considering he was famously gay.
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
Protestantism is based on Martin Luther's objections to Catholicism. Lutherans are the Germanic Protestants. You know, you must have heard of all that Protestant vs. Catholic stuff in Ireland... |
Unfortunately yea I've seen/heard the decades/centuries of disputes in Ireland between Catholic/Protestant. We get alot of filtered information down this way and I'm never sure what to rely on so I haven't formed any opinions on that entire subject. But personally, I do not like or follow any RC practices which are based mostly on tradition and very little apon faith and scripture. |
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03/11/2004 06:06:22 PM · #455 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
I suppose that is the basis of Protestantism ... |
Sorry, I really can't say since I'm not well versed in the beliefs of most Christian religions. I even studied religion in University, but it was mostly on world religions as opposed to Christianity.
Can you elaborate on what you mean? |
Not really TOO much, as I'm not an expert in any of them, although I have friends who practice all of them.
I thought that the basic schism in the Christianity -- the splitting-off of (what became) the various Protestant sects from the Catholic Church -- in part revolved around the infallibility (or lack thereof) and supreme authority of the Pope. Undoubtedly there are a few true Christians who can elaborate further. |
It is, pretty much in a nutshell, as you've stated it, Paul. There were 5 "Solas" that formed the basis for the formation of Protestantism:
The Five Solas are a summation of the doctrines of the Protestant Reformation. They are:
Sola scriptura -- "Scripture Alone." This is in opposition to the teaching of the Catholic Church, that scripture is interpreted through Holy Tradition. It expresses a conviction that scripture is perspicuous and self-interpreting. Catholicism also maintains that other rules of faith than scripture exist, namely the infallible Councils and Popes.
Solus Christus -- "Christ Alone." Salvation is by (or through) Christ alone. There are no other persons (such as Mary or the saints) that come between ourselves and Christ.
Sola gratia -- "Grace Alone." Salvation comes not through any goodness on our parts. This is a response to the Catholic doctrine of merit.
Sola fide -- "Faith Alone." Salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ alone -- neither the church nor any other party is an actor therein.
Soli Deo gloria -- "Glory to God Only." The reformers believed that human beings (such as the Catholic saints and popes) and their organizations (the Church) were not worthy of the glory that was bestowed on them.
Ron |
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03/11/2004 06:07:30 PM · #456 |
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
PS - I find it quite funny that you've got Oscar Wilde quotes in your profile, considering he was famously gay. |
See my note on that in this thread. |
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03/11/2004 06:11:18 PM · #457 |
RonB -- thanks for the concise summary. I can see where the Pope might have a problem with some of that.
BTW: I think "Gay" marriages are now "on hold" in California until May or June when the State Supreme Court will hear actual arguments on the merits of the case(s). |
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03/11/2004 06:13:02 PM · #458 |
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
PS - I find it quite funny that you've got Oscar Wilde quotes in your profile, considering he was famously gay.
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
Protestantism is based on Martin Luther's objections to Catholicism. Lutherans are the Germanic Protestants. You know, you must have heard of all that Protestant vs. Catholic stuff in Ireland... |
Unfortunately yea I've seen/heard the decades/centuries of disputes in Ireland between Catholic/Protestant. We get alot of filtered information down this way and I'm never sure what to rely on so I haven't formed any opinions on that entire subject. But personally, I do not like or follow any RC practices which are based mostly on tradition and very little apon faith and scripture. |
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How is that funny? I'm not homophobic, I've stated that a number of times but no one believes me :-(
Like I said earlier, I have a number of gay friends and family members, it's not even an issue. But when asked my opinion, I'll freely give it...as in this thread.
:-)
Him being gay doesn't make him any less of a person or an intellect in my eyes, as I've said many many many times.
Message edited by author 2004-03-11 18:15:26. |
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03/11/2004 06:16:31 PM · #459 |
If I was Gay I'd marry you Mousie, :)
But remember, Buzzrock--not Gay!
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03/11/2004 06:17:03 PM · #460 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
RonB -- thanks for the concise summary. I can see where the Pope might have a problem with some of that.
BTW: I think "Gay" marriages are now "on hold" in California until May or June when the State Supreme Court will hear actual arguments on the merits of the case(s). |
Everything RonB stated is how I feel and is what I base my faith on. It's what Christianity is and is why I said I do not follow Catholicism or the Pope since they emphasize an importance on Mary, saints [which they determine themselves, doesn't anyone else see a problem here?], etc etc. |
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03/11/2004 06:37:31 PM · #461 |
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03/11/2004 06:59:11 PM · #462 |
I'm working on my Agnostic Lesbian-trapped-in-a-man's-body Photographer signaure as we speak.
Originally posted by Mousie:
Just testing! :) :) |
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03/11/2004 07:09:22 PM · #463 |
Originally posted by Mousie:
Just testing! :) :) |
I get it now. (I had signatures turned off) |
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03/11/2004 08:07:45 PM · #464 |
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
I'm working on my Agnostic Lesbian-trapped-in-a-man's-body Photographer signaure as we speak.
Originally posted by Mousie:
Just testing! :) :) |
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ROTFL
those are great. oh man this could turn so funny if everyone creates a sig like that.
oh and goldberry, i posted those links beccause he had said things in his post about how religion has caused some of the worst things in human history, which is what i was refering to w/ my true comment. |
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03/11/2004 09:07:01 PM · #465 |
Homophobia, as pulled from the merriam webster dictionary, is "an irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals."
It is likely you are not afraid of or avoid your gay friends. But if you can tell them that you don't believe in their "way of life"..
... if you can bluntly tell them that it is wrong to be who they are...
... if your gay friend wants to marry someone, and you had the power to do it, but you wouldn't because its against your beliefs...
... if you would deny him the rights every straight person has to make a commitment with the person they love...
then you are discriminating against gay people, and you are homophobic...
You can have black friends and still be racist, similar concept.
Sure there may be degrees of racism/homophobia, and some people may be more intensely homophobic than others, but no one should put themselves in a category that is composed of people who are truly accepting of homosexuality and want nothing more than to see them accepted and treated as everyone else. (and of course to be able to marry, which is the whole point of discussion)
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
How is that funny? I'm not homophobic, I've stated that a number of times but no one believes me :-(
Like I said earlier, I have a number of gay friends and family members, it's not even an issue. But when asked my opinion, I'll freely give it...as in this thread.
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03/11/2004 09:45:42 PM · #466 |
This is not fair,he should be allowed to go to san Francisco and marry his pony!
Dutch Politicians Want Bestiality Banned
Thu Mar 11, 8:13 AM ET Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Two Dutch political parties called Wednesday for laws prohibiting sex with animals after a man suspected of having sex with a pony was set free.
Wearing nothing but a T-shirt, the man was arrested by police in Utrecht Monday after the pony's owner caught him by surprise in his stable.
"He was caught in the stable, busy with the pony, and was arrested for animal mistreatment," Mary Hallebeek, a prosecution spokeswoman said.
The prosecutor set him free because there was no evidence of a crime. Dutch law does not prohibit bestiality.
"There were no wounds or traces of violence. The man may have had sex with the animal, but there is no article in law which says this is liable to punishment," Hallebeek said.
Both List Pim Fortuyn and the Socialist Party called for an amendment to the penal code to make bestiality punishable.
"Sex with an animal is a far-reaching infringement of its physical integrity and the animal can never consent to it. It is pure maltreatment and should therefore be punishable," LPF member Joost Eerdmans said in parliament.
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03/11/2004 11:27:38 PM · #467 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
"Sex with an animal is a far-reaching infringement of its physical integrity and the animal can never consent to it. It is pure maltreatment and should therefore be punishable," LPF member Joost Eerdmans said in parliament. |
Maybe it's OK if the animal (or human) is spayed/neutered first ... after signing a consent form for the surgery, of course. I guess if we can't get a consent form, they can just be slaughtered for food.
Message edited by author 2004-03-11 23:28:13. |
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03/12/2004 03:13:17 PM · #468 |
The only issue with marrying a pony is a whole consent thing, the pony can't say yes.
Then again, the pony also can't consent to having a sadle strapped to it's back and ridden all day but we do that.
The logical conclusion is that sex with horses can only be banned if you also ban riding them :) |
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03/12/2004 03:24:19 PM · #469 |
| what if the horse is riding the person? |
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03/12/2004 04:13:14 PM · #470 |
| Perhaps you call that animal husbandry ... |
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03/16/2004 01:14:31 PM · #471 |
Citizens of this fine land, I am appuled at the current trend in our society. In cities as far west as San Francisco, CA to towns as far east as Brooklyn, NY a great actrocity is occurring. I see men, women and children freely engageing in this dangerous activity. I see celebrations around this unholy activity. I see the media wildly engaging in this sinful act. This is why i feel we would amend the very backbone of our society to prevent the consumption of choliate cake.
This devilish food, which I personally don't care for, will force our society to crumble into communism / fascists state. Furthermore, If we the people allow this activity to take place then where would the insanity stop? Will these mentally defective people continue on to eat dirt? Will these mentally deranged people protest for a right to eat children, YOUR CHILDREN? My fellow Americans, this is why we have to act now! Write your congressman and vote to ban choliate cake and save the institution of godly consumption!
The bible would spontaneously ignight if god knew we allowed this to happen. Sure, this subsection of people need to have rights and protections, but until they share the same beliefs as the rest of this society they are not human and there rights are at our mercy!
This is my plea! Eating choliate cake (the devils food) is unnatural, against god, and opens the gates of ungodly consumption. Vote to Change the constitution. Once we win the battle to the constitution then we can move on to simply rewrite the constitution to ONLY protect those who believe the same as our congregation. That's the way god wants it.
Rev. Adam J. Craig.
Message edited by author 2004-03-16 13:16:05.
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03/17/2004 08:25:41 PM · #472 |
LOL geocide
i found this to be quite humorous on the subject. i know mousie will get a kick out of it ;) |
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03/17/2004 08:33:19 PM · #473 |
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03/17/2004 08:34:11 PM · #474 |
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07/06/2004 02:26:25 AM · #475 |
This is mostly for the Christians who like I do struggle for what is right when two things we believe to be true, the mosaic law and our God given freedom, seem to come in conflict. The rest of this is what I believe as a follower of Christ and as a patriotic American. True Christianity is persecuted. It will always be. True Christianity cannot as C. S. Lewis said be formed into a government unless literally all of the members of that society are Christians. As such we cannot expect America to be a Christian society; it is not. No matter what anyone says or tries to argue, America is not a Christian nation. By no means am I saying that there are no Christians in America because there are, but the laws set up by true, honorable Christians to try to allow freedom and justice will be set upon by greedy immoral people (I donât mean anyone specific by this, it is a generalization). This is why we desperately need things like court reform, tax reform, the bill of rights, and the justice and legal systems. We Christians need to stop telling people they are wrong, and start showing them we are right. Remember the whole city on a hill thing. If you are scared of some people being married, donât be. They are married according to maybe one cityâs mayor and one rouge priest. According to the bible, marriage is a union between a man and a woman before God. You noticed the only name of the three that I capitalized was God. If God doesnât sanctify it then it is not a marriage, regardless of what the Mayor of San Francisco, The President of the United States, or the Pope himself says. Maybe I am too naïve to understand the consequences my opinions could bring around, but I was always taught it is never the wrong time to do the right thing, and I believe this is the right thing. Mousie, I am sorry for whatever made you dislike Christianity, though you donât sound like you dislike Christians in particular, which I commend you for. Too many people on both sides of arguments like this end up hating people with different opinions. As for anyone who is angry with homosexuals for simply being such, my question, to quote the Black Eyed Peas, is âWhere is the love?â What according to the Lord Christ, our role model, the one we are striving for, is the greatest commandment. Try âLOVE ONE ANOTHER.â If I can get up on my soap box for a minute (and I by no means am able to do this myself all the time, but I know this to be true, so very sorry for preaching at you, but it needs to be said for all involved): if we turn to God to try to solve problems like this, then maybe we as Christians should try looking at what He has already told us: Love one another.
P.S. Please post responses, I love being proved wrong.
The death he died, he died to sin once and for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God. In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Romans 6:10-11 |
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