Noise reduction software - DPChallenge Forums

09/01/2010 12:29:24 PM · #26

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by coryboehne:

This totally calls for a head-head challenge between the two.. Just make sure that you really are taking full advantage of De-Noise 5..

I'll definitely be awaiting the results on such a head-to-head.

Awaiting? Heck I was hoping you'd see that and start creating :)

09/01/2010 12:32:29 PM · #27

Originally posted by coryboehne:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by coryboehne:

This totally calls for a head-head challenge between the two.. Just make sure that you really are taking full advantage of De-Noise 5..

I'll definitely be awaiting the results on such a head-to-head.

Awaiting? Heck I was hoping you'd see that and start creating :)

I haven't shot above ISO 400 in a minute... I'd have to seriously dig into my archives to find a High ISO image :-)

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX100

09/01/2010 01:14:01 PM · #28

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by coryboehne:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by coryboehne:

This totally calls for a head-head challenge between the two.. Just make sure that you really are taking full advantage of De-Noise 5..

I'll definitely be awaiting the results on such a head-to-head.

Awaiting? Heck I was hoping you'd see that and start creating :)

I haven't shot above ISO 400 in a minute... I'd have to seriously dig into my archives to find a High ISO image :-)

Well, not to be overly radical, but you could actually take a new photograph for the purpose... :)

spiritualspatula

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

09/01/2010 01:40:34 PM · #29

I'll go ahead and side with the DeNoise crowd here. Updates were free, I got it at heavy discount when it came out, and results are awesome. Before that, I used a combination of Dfine and NN, which worked well for most applications (I don't routinely shoot high iso). But, to be honest, DeNoise is just THAT much better. Details kept with zero noise evident is pretty amazing.
I'll put it this way- I used to avoid 800+ to keep my images as clean as possible. Now? I don't even think twice. One thing to note though, is that DeNoise has a horrendous time of discerning detail vs noise on a wide angle shot. Specifically, I do a lot of outdoors/mountaineering stuff, and the boulder fields/rocks in the distance get absolutely destroyed. I've only noticed it on my LX3 shots, but, considering the LX3 was a benchmark for low P&S noise... My experience has been that it just largely cannot discern between the two, so that's my only beef with it. For that application, the Dfine and Upoints are a more viable option.

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

09/01/2010 01:48:40 PM · #30

I do still use PSP's noise reduction at times. Since it can restrict noise reduction to selected color channels, it is useful under basic rules.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

09/01/2010 03:50:16 PM · #31

Originally posted by coryboehne:

Just make sure that you really are taking full advantage of De-Noise 5..

Originally posted by DeNoise Release Notes:

System Requirements

It is recommended that you have at least 1 GB of RAM. Topaz DeNoise is very computationally intensive and you'll need a fast computer to run it at acceptable speeds. Topaz DeNoise supports multi-core CPUs, which increases rendering speed substantially.

So ... I guess my 1GHz P-III/128MB RAM will not be able to take full advantage of DeNoise ... :-(

Simms

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

09/01/2010 04:54:09 PM · #32

OK, tried the trial of denoise and must say I am not as impressed as I thought I would be. Granted I have only played with it for an hour or so - but in a busy workflow it is too slow to be too useful.

I think I`ll stick with LR3 noise reduction - so darn quick compared to this.

(Quad core 64bit CPU & 64bit OS so my system is no slouch)

However, I will give it more of a chance when I have a bit more time.. I read that it can integrate into Lightroom - however, does it first export the current RAW as a TIF then work on that? Or is it a true plugin that works directly on the RAW and is non-destructive like the built in Noise Reduction in LR?

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

09/01/2010 05:57:00 PM · #33

Originally posted by coryboehne:

Well, not to be overly radical, but you could actually take a new photograph for the purpose... :)

My camera has an issue with working without pay... I did try to talk it into a freebie, but it told me to Err99 myself.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

09/01/2010 07:20:38 PM · #34

Like several others here, I really don't see a need for anything beyond what Lr 3.2 offers. My only caution with Lr (or ACR, which is identical) is to turn the "Detail" slider in the sharpening section down to zero for most situations. Do this prior to NR. I have it locked to zero as a default, so I don't have to think about it.

Simms

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

09/02/2010 07:07:34 AM · #35

Originally posted by kirbic:

Whysat?

fridjo

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

09/02/2010 08:41:05 AM · #36

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by coryboehne:

Well, not to be overly radical, but you could actually take a new photograph for the purpose... :)

My camera has an issue with working without pay... I did try to talk it into a freebie, but it told me to Err99 myself.

hehe, lazy bastard. plug it in 110V for a moment.

09/02/2010 08:50:24 AM · #37

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Topaz DeNoise is just staggeringly good. I'm not aware of any product that can touch it. There may be one, but I'm not aware of it...

R.

Robert didn't you do a side challenge in Topaz? might you be doing one anytime soon...

09/02/2010 09:51:49 AM · #38

Originally posted by Ja-9:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Topaz DeNoise is just staggeringly good. I'm not aware of any product that can touch it. There may be one, but I'm not aware of it...

R.

Robert didn't you do a side challenge in Topaz? might you be doing one anytime soon...

That was The Topaz Side Challenge by

colorcarnival, back in April of last year. I s'pose it might be interesting to have another sometime soon...

R.

09/02/2010 10:09:44 AM · #39

Well, I just purchased DeNoise5 and I'm planning on purchasing Adjust when my trial ends, and it sure would be great to have someplace to learn how to best apply these products ;)

Robert, of all the pkgs you have of Topaz...which one is your favorite?

09/02/2010 10:16:42 AM · #40

Originally posted by Ja-9:

I'm planning on purchasing Adjust

Not familiar with that one... what is it?

Edit: Nevermind... went and looked it up myself... looks pretty awesome.

Message edited by author 2010-09-02 10:19:05.

09/02/2010 10:22:41 AM · #41

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Originally posted by Ja-9:
I'm planning on purchasing Adjust

Not familiar with that one... what is it?

Robert can give a better description...but to me (and I'm new at this) it's like working with Photomatix somewhat (HDR Program). You can get a surreal look to your pictures...it can really be neat, I tend to like the pictures that are done with a light hand much better...to me they really stand out in the challenges...look through Robert's link above and you should be able to find some examples of Topaz Adjust...Jeb is another that uses it alot...

09/02/2010 10:27:45 AM · #42

Tone Mapping seems to be a huge part of this too...I need to read this throughly

09/02/2010 10:31:58 AM · #43

Originally posted by Ja-9:

Tone Mapping seems to be a huge part of this too...I need to read this throughly

Yeah, Topaz Adjust is basically a tone mapping tool with some extras. At the most fundamental level, what you get from Adjust is what you'd get from Photomatix Pro if you were tone mapping directly on a single original without doing any HDR merge first. Not identical, but similar. And there's a lot more variation available in Adjust, particularly in how it can be pushed in the smooth direction as well as in the increased-detail-and-contrast direction.

R.

09/02/2010 10:35:04 AM · #44

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Ja-9:
Tone Mapping seems to be a huge part of this too...I need to read this throughly

Yeah, Topaz Adjust is basically a tone mapping tool with some extras. At the most fundamental level, what you get from Adjust is what you'd get from Photomatix Pro if you were tone mapping directly on a single original without doing any HDR merge first. Not identical, but similar. And there's a lot more variation available in Adjust, particularly in how it can be pushed in the smooth direction as well as in the increased-detail-and-contrast direction.

R.

Just out of curiosity... how does it stand as far as Basic Editing rules?

09/02/2010 10:37:52 AM · #45

Robert, do you as rule of thumb, apply DeNoise first then Adjust? I have NI as my first NR software...it's been good, but I really think I'm going to like the DeNoise better. I had found that with NI I got the best results if I applied the NI first then did USM...if I did it the other way around...I got these really funny looking artifacts in my pictures

now I'd be very curious to re-edit these with the DeNoise and Adjust

now I have to figure out Tone Mapping using PS Elements 8...I'm sure it can be done...I just need to find the back door...

09/02/2010 10:57:07 AM · #46

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Just out of curiosity... how does it stand as far as Basic Editing rules?

Tone mapping and Topaz are legal under basic editing as long as they don't "create new features", basically. Where the line is that we can't cross I don't know; I've seen some fairly aggressive work pass muster.

R.

09/02/2010 11:00:58 AM · #47

Originally posted by Ja-9:

Robert, do you as rule of thumb, apply DeNoise first then Adjust?

That's the most sensible way to do it, yes. The local area contrast enhancements in Adjust will exaggerate whatever noise is in the image, if they are pushed at all. This will be most obvious in large, smooth areas like flower petals and sky.

Originally posted by Ja-9:

now I have to figure out Tone Mapping using PS Elements 8...I'm sure it can be done...I just need to find the back door...

For all practical purposes Topaz Adjust IS tone mapping.

R.

Message edited by author 2010-09-02 11:01:29.

09/02/2010 11:08:47 AM · #48

Originally posted by spiritualspatula:

Are you working in the individual channels? Or are you hitting it all at once using a preset? I find that by carefully controlling the luma channel noise I can pretty well manage not to loose those trees and boulders in the distance..

Just a thought...