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03/05/2004 10:48:35 PM · #26

Originally posted by gingerbaker:

He broke a lot of laws, laws which have put MANY less well-connected people into jail immediately and for long sentences.

Your right he broke so many laws that the only thing they can think of charging him with has only been used ONCE (maybe twice) in the history of florida.

Also, a senetor and another high up democratic official with-in recent times were caught doing the exact same thing rush was doing (drugs). When they said they were addicted and entered into treatment the judge called them heroic. HAHAHA But good ole rushy, lets bend the rules, leak lies, and break the law in order to try and ruin his reputation and help get the DA re-elected. If they have so much evidence and Rush has done so many illegal things, why on earth haven't they even charged him with anything.

Also: For those who are less informed, Rush had actualy been talking with the police and DA for months prior to it being public knowledge. he DA just changed his mind when he thought it would make him famous.

I don't really see any double standards I guess :)

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03/05/2004 10:58:26 PM · #27

The ACLU sees a double-standard, and is supporting Rush's right to medical confidentiality. Of course, some groups DO act on principle rather than political expediency or financial aggrandizement.

My problem is with Mr. Limbaugh's continued railing for tougher penalities for other drug users while not disclosing his own addiction (or requiring the same treatment of himself). I'm just disgusted by the rampant hypocrisy in the Christion Fundamentalism currently disguised as "conservatism." The US has a long-standing tradition and commitment to the "separation of church and state" and, if I may borrow a phrase from my formative years, that's our America -- love it or leave it.

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03/06/2004 03:27:33 AM · #28

Originally posted by GeneralE:

The ACLU sees a double-standard, and is supporting Rush's right to medical confidentiality. Of course, some groups DO act on principle rather than political expediency or financial aggrandizement.

Like the Kobie Bryant rape case. so much for confidentiality, medical or psychological. Womder if the ACLU will hop on this one?

Message edited by author 2004-03-06 03:27:57.

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03/06/2004 08:13:48 AM · #29

Originally posted by Russell2566:

If they have so much evidence and Rush has done so many illegal things, why on earth haven't they even charged him with anything.

One last time: Because he is connected - just like the Democratic guys you spoke about.

Because he is the most valuable conservative propagandist the radical right has - he actually DOES have office space in the congressional offices.

Because he is wealthy beyond the dreams of mere mortals.

Again, and for the last time - buying controlled substances without a prescription - and we are talking very large amounts here - puts regular people in prison. Period.

That you think he is a victim (!), and has done nothing wrong, is a testament to the remarkable efficacy of the right-wing propaganda machine.

I urge you, almost certainly in vain i realize, to broaden your sources of information to get more sides to the issues.

03/06/2004 09:42:00 AM · #30

Originally posted by gingerbaker:

Originally posted by Russell2566:

If they have so much evidence and Rush has done so many illegal things, why on earth haven't they even charged him with anything.

One last time: Because he is connected - just like the Democratic guys you spoke about.

HAHAHAHAHAHA, I can only laugh... If you had a single clue about anyone invloved with prosecuting him you might be able to leave better educated answers...

Originally posted by gingerbaker:

That you think he is a victim (!), and has done nothing wrong, is a testament to the remarkable efficacy of the right-wing propaganda machine.

I love this right wing propaganda machine you've got going... Last time I checked, there wasn't much of one. I never said he was a "victim" as far as his drug abuse I think it's his own problem and he should take care of it...

As far as locking up drug users? If an old white guy wants to take some oxycoten or marijuana to stop some pain in the privacy to his own home than more power to him.

If you wanna smoke crack on my streets or rob stores for money or you end up commiting crimes because of your drug abuse then the book should hit you so hard in the head it's silly.

Originally posted by gingerbaker:

I urge you, almost certainly in vain i realize, to broaden your sources of information to get more sides to the issues.

It's a pretty fair bet that I watch WAY more news than you do and I get if from MANY MORE sources than YOU even pretent to do. Why don't you take your own advice and watch something other than LEFT dedicated television. I love how liberals tell me I don't watch enough news or I'm not smart enough because I have a differing opinion... You hate me so much for being conservative that you probably don't even really read what I type anyway... YOu just pick out key words and remmeber all you training...

"Don't provide facts or reasons or logic, just argue with feelings. If that doesn't work call them stupid or racists..."

I got that from the liberal play book!

Message edited by author 2004-03-06 09:45:02.

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03/06/2004 09:52:04 AM · #31

Originally posted by Russell2566:

As far as locking up drug users? If an old white guy wants to take some oxycoten or marijuana to stop some pain in the privacy to his own home than more power to him.

If you wanna smoke crack on my streets or rob stores for money or you end up commiting crimes because of your drug abuse then the book should hit you so hard in the head it's silly.[/b]

So you support decriminalising marijuana ? Or just for old white guys ?

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03/06/2004 10:04:10 AM · #32

Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by Russell2566:

As far as locking up drug users? If an old white guy wants to take some oxycoten or marijuana to stop some pain in the privacy to his own home than more power to him.

If you wanna smoke crack on my streets or rob stores for money or you end up commiting crimes because of your drug abuse then the book should hit you so hard in the head it's silly.[/b]

So you support decriminalising marijuana ? Or just for old white guys ?

By far, the most serious consequences of drug use/abuse result directly from their illegal status, not from any chemical effect of the substance itself. This is particularly true of the opioid group ...

03/06/2004 10:14:55 AM · #33

I don't support decriminalising marijuana or other drugs because of how it would get mishandled.

Just look at San-Fran where they kind of have/had medical usage allowed. It was only a few months and laws were on the books making it OK to drive and making it legal to open clubs tailored to people smoking for medical usage. By the way the many laws like the two mentioned were all UPHELD by The 9th Circus Court of Appeals and ALL were overruled (just like over 70% of all their decisions) by the US Supreme Court.

I just don't trust the left with the results of making it legal.

I'm more of the persuation that if I don't know about it and it's not hurting anyone else, then It's not as big og a deal. Rush only got caught because of who is he, and NONE OF US still know all the facts as to how he was caught and his REAL interactions with the police and DA because everyone is still tight lipped.

I do however have ZERO sympothy for someone who isn't smart enough to use his drugs in privacy. Drug dealers also have a huge effect on a community, something you can't blame Rush for at all, even if he was doctor shopping.

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03/06/2004 10:34:21 AM · #34

Originally posted by Russell2566:

Drug dealers also have a huge effect on a community, something you can't blame Rush for at all, even if he was doctor shopping.

They (dealers) only exist because drugs are illegal; otherwise you would buy them in your neighborhood DRUG STORE.

03/06/2004 10:37:11 AM · #35

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Russell2566:
Drug dealers also have a huge effect on a community, something you can't blame Rush for at all, even if he was doctor shopping.

They (dealers) only exist because drugs are illegal; otherwise you would buy them in your neighborhood DRUG STORE.

There will always be something for them to push... And what your gonna suggest we make all drugs legal? Are you nutz...

Ya ya, Acid & 8-balls for everyone!!!!!

That just screams the making for a great society!

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03/06/2004 10:46:09 AM · #36

Originally posted by Russell2566:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Russell2566:
Drug dealers also have a huge effect on a community, something you can't blame Rush for at all, even if he was doctor shopping.

They (dealers) only exist because drugs are illegal; otherwise you would buy them in your neighborhood DRUG STORE.

There will always be something for them to push... And what your gonna suggest we make all drugs legal? Are you nutz...

Ya ya, Acid & 8-balls for everyone!!!!!

That just screams the making for a great society!

Well how else is Bush supposed to get his cocaine ? Though I guess he stopped that when he turned 28 so that's okay now.

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03/06/2004 10:51:07 AM · #37

Originally posted by Russell2566:

Ya ya, Acid & 8-balls for everyone!!!!!

No, only for those who choose to do those things. Just where do you (or the government) derive the right to determine which substances someone ingests? And why do you defend "free enterprise" for RJ Reynolds but not for the Cali cartel?

I thought the cornerstones of conservativsm were no government interference in peoples's private lives and deregulation of business. I think that, to be consistent, that would require individuals to be left alone to decide for themselves which "Bud" they enjoy after dinner.

I think the government should be able to regulate fraud -- don't sell me methamphetamine and call it cocaine -- but otherwise see no reason the buyer and seller shouldn't be free to negotiate a price absent government interference (which increases the price about 2000-fold).

The biggest problem I see with decriminalizing drugs is what to do with all those unemployed prison guards, narcotics officers, criminal lawyers, parole/probation officers, insurance agents, and other ancillary workers whose continued employment is absolutely dependent on a steady stream of criminal defendents, whose crimes are either possession of something they should be free to have, or are committed to obtain something priced completely out of proportion with its cost of production solely due to government interference in its distribution and marketing.

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03/06/2004 02:28:50 PM · #38

If you can't see the problems with making drugs legal, than it's not worth talking to you about it because your obviously not open to other avenues of thought...

Oh ya, did I mention i've got an undergrad in CJ and my Fiance works for the FEDS and with tons of drug ralated crime and investigations. So while I sure as hell don't know it all, I've probably got a better idea about the total picture than the people that tell you what to think.