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06/27/2010 11:39:09 PM · #1976 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Murder your darlings. |
or they were never alive to begin with :| |
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06/28/2010 07:16:16 AM · #1977 |
Originally posted by Louis:
In my view, yes. The particulars of "story" aren't necessarily important, so long as something is being said (and heard). |
Does this tell a story? What if people don't know what a "Saginaw" is? Actually, it's a city in Michigan that recently received the honor of being "The most violent city in America" per capita.
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06/28/2010 08:23:35 AM · #1978 |
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Originally posted by Louis:
In my view, yes. The particulars of "story" aren't necessarily important, so long as something is being said (and heard). |
Does this tell a story? What if people don't know what a "Saginaw" is? Actually, it's a city in Michigan that recently received the honor of being "The most violent city in America" per capita.
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The image doesn't tell that story. Accidental death at the Saginaw Brick Factory maybe, with a rose marking the spot of the mishap? That's actually what I took away from the image....seriously!
As for the selective desat shot...
I have a very very serious negative knee-jerk reaction to images that use selective desaturation. Generally speaking, I see it as being an insult to my intelligence...like the photographer is assuming I'm not smart enough to see what his/her subject is and they feel the need to lead me there. As for the image itself, I don't see the story or the reason for the shot. Is it about the building...the flag....the building AND the flag...do they relate to one another in a way that's special or meaningful? On the flip side, Spielberg used it quite well in Shindlers List.
The balloon with the sunset? That's another one I don't understand. What was the point of the shot? What was the photographer trying to show me OR was what they were trying to show me, going to make me say..."wow" or "hey, thanks for that view, that's interesting"...
just a few thoughts.
Message edited by author 2010-06-28 08:48:40. |
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06/28/2010 09:27:48 AM · #1979 |
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Originally posted by Louis:
In my view, yes. The particulars of "story" aren't necessarily important, so long as something is being said (and heard). |
Does this tell a story? What if people don't know what a "Saginaw" is? Actually, it's a city in Michigan that recently received the honor of being "The most violent city in America" per capita.
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Again, I think a shot like this is a trope. Beware of cliche. Nothing kills the potential for personal style more quickly than depending on blunt-impact story-telling.
PS: by "trope", I mean a cliche that exists in popular culture.
Message edited by author 2010-06-28 11:54:19. |
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06/28/2010 12:27:34 PM · #1980 |
BTW, Lev, I really like this one but it seems/feels a little too cerebral...
Just an opinion but I feel more of the intent of the image than I do the heart or soul of it. Perhaps, the vignetting was too heavy or leading to give the image a more natural sense or flow...pardon the pun.
eta: a thought! I'm always drawn to the way some 1xers tone their skies, the blues or greens of the water in images similar to this. NOT for the sake of 1x or anything else but I'd be curious to see if you could extract those tones within this image.
Kinda what I'm talking about...
eat: again.
Wow...look at the toning here. Can't say I've seen this too many times before...?
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06/28/2010 12:59:41 PM · #1981 |
Rejected.
I'm sitting on another that I've got high hopes for but it's my June FS entry so I'll have to wait. |
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06/28/2010 01:01:13 PM · #1982 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
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The balloon with the sunset? That's another one I don't understand. What was the point of the shot? What was the photographer trying to show me OR was what they were trying to show me, going to make me say..."wow" or "hey, thanks for that view, that's interesting"...
just a few thoughts. |
Honestly? Nothing... It was more about conveying a feeling of warmth and smoothness. The story was 100% absent. But I'm not certain that I agree with the premise that all photos need to have a story.. Although I certainly do agree that it seems 1x thinks they all need a strong story..
Thanks for the feedback, it's very appreciated!
-Cory |
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06/28/2010 01:30:38 PM · #1983 |
Originally posted by coryboehne:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
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The balloon with the sunset? That's another one I don't understand. What was the point of the shot? What was the photographer trying to show me OR was what they were trying to show me, going to make me say..."wow" or "hey, thanks for that view, that's interesting"...
just a few thoughts. |
Honestly? Nothing... It was more about conveying a feeling of warmth and smoothness. The story was 100% absent. But I'm not certain that I agree with the premise that all photos need to have a story.. Although I certainly do agree that it seems 1x thinks they all need a strong story..
Thanks for the feedback, it's very appreciated!
-Cory |
I don't think "story" is the catch-all word as images/art is created for many different reasons and 1x does not require story, per se but perhaps a some clear thing that is being communicated (doesn't have to be clear, exactly). Your image didn't necessarily convey "warmth" to me...but "smoothness" didn't hit me at all. Not to pick on you or the image but are warmth and smoothness strong themes...stand alone?
Just to clarify...let say you were going for a feeling or a vibe, if done well it would be enough to get published. So, story isn't the issue but to convey the feeling or vibe you were trying to achieve, I don't think in shooting a sunset coming through a balloon helped accomplish your goal or mood of warmth and smoothness. Hope that makes sense?
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06/28/2010 02:15:15 PM · #1984 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
BTW, Lev, I really like this one but it seems/feels a little too cerebral...
Just an opinion but I feel more of the intent of the image than I do the heart or soul of it. Perhaps, the vignetting was too heavy or leading to give the image a more natural sense or flow...pardon the pun.
eta: a thought! I'm always drawn to the way some 1xers tone their skies, the blues or greens of the water in images similar to this. NOT for the sake of 1x or anything else but I'd be curious to see if you could extract those tones within this image.
Kinda what I'm talking about...
eat: again.
Wow...look at the toning here. Can't say I've seen this too many times before...? |
Steve, appreciate your thoughts... I was torn about vignetting myself, the original did not have it but I added it for the emphasis, to convey the David vs Goliath theme more clearly to a viewer... ("a story" LOL!). Maybe I shouldn't have. It's interesting that both you and Ursula (we had a bit of a discussion of this image with her) said that you did not "feel" the image, my heart certainly aches when I see this little girl about to plunge in this enormous and dangerous expanse of the ocean. It is a metaphor of life about to be taken head-on more than anything else... But of course this is my darling :).
As for the toning master (Browko), I am not a huge fan... I agree it is technically very well done, and consistent throughout his portfolio, but it's too eye-candy-ish and sterile to my taste.
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06/28/2010 02:55:54 PM · #1985 |
Originally posted by LevT:
Steve, appreciate your thoughts... I was torn about vignetting myself, the original did not have it but I added it for the emphasis, to convey the David vs Goliath theme more clearly to a viewer... ("a story" LOL!). Maybe I shouldn't have. It's interesting that both you and Ursula (we had a bit of a discussion of this image with her) said that you did not "feel" the image, my heart certainly aches when I see this little girl about to plunge in this enormous and dangerous expanse of the ocean... |
This is where the two sites diverge...DPC vs. 1x. You made the absolute right choice of vignetting for DPC, where the viewer may or may not wish to look at an image for more than a few seconds AND that needs to be considered, if you wish to Ribbon. You led them right where you wanted them, no question. At 1x it may or may not have been an issue as that was just a guess on my part BUT the viewers there I assume, are willing to give images more time as we can see from comments how that crowd likes to savor an image so, a slight vignette would have been perfectly fine and the viewer would have clearly seen what you were trying to convey without the extra push.
As for me... "aching" didn't even cross my mind, for a moment. I assume that girl has NO fear and there was no worry for her (on my part), the slightest bit. In fact, I see cool, bravery...yahoooooo, hang-ten, even with the dramatic treatment. Also, your accompanying image shows they joy of the scene and that she's exactly right where she wants to be....in her element. If anything, her gazing out into the waves...could be interpreted as pure bliss...what a rush, can't wait to get in there...
Message edited by author 2010-06-28 22:04:35. |
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06/28/2010 03:26:58 PM · #1986 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
As for me... "aching" didn't even cross my mind, for a moment. I assume that girl has NO fear and there was no worry for her (on my part), the slightest bit. In fact, I see cool, bravery...yahoooooo, hang-ten, even with the dramatic treatment. Also, your accompanying image shows they joy of the scene and that she's exactly right where she wants to be....in her element. If anything, her gazing out into the waves...could be interpreted as pure bliss...what a rush, can't wait to get in there... |
well, she may very well have no fear whatsoever, but I (as a father of a girl, perhaps) have it for her, I was talking about an ache in my heart, certainly not hers... anyway... |
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06/28/2010 06:53:52 PM · #1987 |
Originally posted by LevT:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
As for me... "aching" didn't even cross my mind, for a moment. I assume that girl has NO fear and there was no worry for her (on my part), the slightest bit. In fact, I see cool, bravery...yahoooooo, hang-ten, even with the dramatic treatment. Also, your accompanying image shows they joy of the scene and that she's exactly right where she wants to be....in her element. If anything, her gazing out into the waves...could be interpreted as pure bliss...what a rush, can't wait to get in there... |
well, she may very well have no fear whatsoever, but I (as a father of a girl, perhaps) have it for her, I was talking about an ache in my heart, certainly not hers... anyway... |
The ache that you felt is something I wanted to experience myself, but the catalyst for it appears to be lacking without that personal connection. As a result, I am left with just the time-lapse trickery to absorb, which tastes like chicken. In other words, its the same sort of generic interpretation of the sea that just about every photographer hoping to appeal to the easily impressionable captures at one point or another. Nothing wrong with that if the purpose was to sell something other than the photo itself (i.e. commercial photography) but that wasn't the case here. You wanted this photo to live and breathe on its own with the sort of gravitas that can bend the will of the unimpressionable but it falls short, IMO. That is not to say it's a bad photograph.
Message edited by author 2010-06-28 18:55:18.
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06/28/2010 07:26:53 PM · #1988 |
Originally posted by yanko:
The ache that you felt is something I wanted to experience myself, but the catalyst for it appears to be lacking without that personal connection. As a result, I am left with just the time-lapse trickery to absorb, which tastes like chicken. In other words, its the same sort of generic interpretation of the sea that just about every photographer hoping to appeal to the easily impressionable captures at one point or another. Nothing wrong with that if the purpose was to sell something other than the photo itself (i.e. commercial photography) but that wasn't the case here. You wanted this photo to live and breathe on its own with the sort of gravitas that can bend the will of the unimpressionable but it falls short, IMO. That is not to say it's a bad photograph. |
some people are more impressionable, and others are less. So it failed to impress you... oh well. Do you cry in movies? I do, sometimes... :) I can't imagine a photo or any other artwork which can impress everybody, and that's okay... Actually, I don't even want to bend the will of anybody with my photos... I want them to resonate with people, voluntarily :)... If an image can resonate at least with some for whatever (even personal) reasons, I am happy. |
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06/28/2010 08:17:25 PM · #1989 |
Originally posted by LevT:
I want them to resonate with people, voluntarily :)... If an image can resonate at least with some for whatever (even personal) reasons, I am happy. |
Fair enough. I'm sorry if I made you unhappy. That surely wasn't my intent. Clearly my connection with it wasn't as strong as yours or others so I responded to the idea of the image and the technique used, which happen to be very prominent aspects in your image.
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06/28/2010 09:54:21 PM · #1990 |
Originally posted by LevT:
So it failed to impress you... oh well. Do you cry in movies? I do, sometimes... :) |
Yanko, doesn't cry. Rumor has it, during Shindlers List, he was winging tomato's at the screen...and whispering something about "a pack of whiners" as he left the theater midway through the film. |
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06/28/2010 10:26:46 PM · #1991 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by LevT:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
As for me... "aching" didn't even cross my mind, for a moment. I assume that girl has NO fear and there was no worry for her (on my part), the slightest bit. In fact, I see cool, bravery...yahoooooo, hang-ten, even with the dramatic treatment. Also, your accompanying image shows they joy of the scene and that she's exactly right where she wants to be....in her element. If anything, her gazing out into the waves...could be interpreted as pure bliss...what a rush, can't wait to get in there... |
well, she may very well have no fear whatsoever, but I (as a father of a girl, perhaps) have it for her, I was talking about an ache in my heart, certainly not hers... anyway... |
The ache that you felt is something I wanted to experience myself, but the catalyst for it appears to be lacking without that personal connection. As a result, I am left with just the time-lapse trickery to absorb, which tastes like chicken. In other words, its the same sort of generic interpretation of the sea that just about every photographer hoping to appeal to the easily impressionable captures at one point or another. Nothing wrong with that if the purpose was to sell something other than the photo itself (i.e. commercial photography) but that wasn't the case here. You wanted this photo to live and breathe on its own with the sort of gravitas that can bend the will of the unimpressionable but it falls short, IMO. That is not to say it's a bad photograph. |
Spot on. No slight intended, LevT. Unvarnished criticism is the only worthwhile kind. |
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06/28/2010 10:34:17 PM · #1992 |
If ya'll are gonna pick on Yanko, I'm gonna have to come kick your arses. Fine man, Mr Yanko, he is. Ya'll just leave him be, hear me?
And Lev, lovely shot. Did not think it 1x material, though. Definitely speaks of the soCal lifestyle and the soCal color scheme, and I'll bet it might ribbon at DPC. :-) |
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06/28/2010 11:06:16 PM · #1993 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by LevT:
So it failed to impress you... oh well. Do you cry in movies? I do, sometimes... :) |
Yanko, doesn't cry. Rumor has it, during Shindlers List, he was winging tomato's at the screen...and whispering something about "a pack of whiners" as he left the theater midway through the film. |
That's not true. I frequently cry during Michael Bay films.
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06/28/2010 11:11:51 PM · #1994 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by LevT:
So it failed to impress you... oh well. Do you cry in movies? I do, sometimes... :) |
Yanko, doesn't cry. Rumor has it, during Shindlers List, he was winging tomato's at the screen...and whispering something about "a pack of whiners" as he left the theater midway through the film. |
That's not true. I frequently cry during Michael Bay films. |
They're that bad? |
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06/28/2010 11:23:17 PM · #1995 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
If ya'll are gonna pick on Yanko, I'm gonna have to come kick your arses. Fine man, Mr Yanko, he is. Ya'll just leave him be, hear me?
And Lev, lovely shot. Did not think it 1x material, though. Definitely speaks of the soCal lifestyle and the soCal color scheme, and I'll bet it might ribbon at DPC. :-) |
It's all good. I don't think Lev was really bothered by what I said. Heck, it not like I really know anything. I'm just another guy with an opinion who once in a blue moon takes a marginally decent photo.
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06/28/2010 11:42:31 PM · #1996 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by LevT:
So it failed to impress you... oh well. Do you cry in movies? I do, sometimes... :) |
Yanko, doesn't cry. Rumor has it, during Shindlers List, he was winging tomato's at the screen...and whispering something about "a pack of whiners" as he left the theater midway through the film. |
That's not true. I frequently cry during Michael Bay films. |
They're that bad? |
If you just want to see things get blown up then no. I used to be into his kind of films back when I was into CG and attended Siggraph conventions. That was about twelve years ago. Now I mostly watch documentaries and indie films. I personally blame my gf for this.
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06/28/2010 11:53:08 PM · #1997 |
Nevermind...I mistakenly thought this photo was Lev's daughter. I read the notes and realized my error! Ooops!
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06/29/2010 05:01:58 PM · #1998 |
| Thanks Mae, I saw your original post and wanted to correct you, but then decided it did not really matter. I was subconsciously projecting my daughter onto that girl anyway |
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07/02/2010 01:02:56 PM · #1999 |
Oh Lev...you are so gracious! (And here I thought I had removed it in time).
Oh well...::stares sheepishly at toes::
This thread is my favorite one to embarrass myself in...so thanks for your patience...:-D
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07/06/2010 12:53:05 AM · #2000 |
I decided to have another fling at it, with this one I captured this afternoon, which kinda fascinates me. Not my usual image, for sure. We'll see how long it takes them to reject THIS one :-)
(Click on "view full size" to see it at 950 pixels, which is what I submitted)
R.
Message edited by author 2010-07-06 00:55:04.
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