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05/17/2010 07:03:33 PM · #26 |
| The galaxy does not look real to me. Are you sure that is the reason for the DQ? The mud tracks at the bottom that look sort of like an alligator seem more to be a part of the background scene rather than a texture. But that is just how I see it and I admittedly don't know anything about using other photos for textures. jmo :) |
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05/17/2010 08:28:35 PM · #27 |
I could be wrong but I was under the impression that each photo used in a composite would have to pass validation as individual photos as the final composite image. In other words the galaxy photo when attempted to be validated would get DQed because it's nothing more than a photo of a photo.
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05/17/2010 09:14:38 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by rjkstesch:
I'm curious - not angry. Just want to know your thoughts.
This image was DQ'd for the following reason: You may include existing images or artwork as part of your composition as long as the entry does not appear to consist entirely of a pre-existing photograph in order to circumvent date or editing rules or fool the voters into thinking you actually captured the original photograph.
The galaxy portion of the image is existing art (a photo). It was taken of the picture during the challenge window. This was expert editing, so within the editing rules. So the portion that must apply is fool the voters into thinking you actually captured the original photograph.
So, my question to you is, did any of you think I was trying to fool you into thinking I had taken the image?
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No way would I DQ this entry for the reason given. It certainly does not consist entirely of a pre-existing photograph. And I wouldn't have been fooled into thinking that you took that galaxy shot yourself.
Message edited by author 2010-05-17 21:15:01. |
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05/17/2010 09:15:42 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I could be wrong but I was under the impression that each photo used in a composite would have to pass validation as individual photos as the final composite image. In other words the galaxy photo when attempted to be validated would get DQed because it's nothing more than a photo of a photo. |
ah... that's an interesting thought. If that's the case, the same picture, held up in the background of the photo of the girl would be legal? But the individual photo of the galaxy wouldn't be?
Please, SC, explain so we can understand for next time.
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05/17/2010 09:50:08 PM · #30 |
Just to throw this out there it probably would have been entirely legal under expert to take a picture of a string of lights and swirled them in post to create the galaxy spiral.
Nevertheless, I too am curious on what SC thought of this themselves. |
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05/17/2010 09:56:08 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I could be wrong but I was under the impression that each photo used in a composite would have to pass validation as individual photos as the final composite image. In other words the galaxy photo when attempted to be validated would get DQed because it's nothing more than a photo of a photo. |
This is the way I read the rule also. The confusing part is the phrase, "...as long as the entry...". I read that to mean each photo that is entered for validation, but I can see how it would be understood to only apply to the end product. |
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05/17/2010 10:02:31 PM · #32 |
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05/17/2010 10:49:05 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by bvy:
No. |
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05/17/2010 10:59:10 PM · #34 |
In all of the other DQ threads there is always an SC who pops in and clarifies this, I wonder why they haven't in this one.
Matt |
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05/17/2010 11:06:53 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by rjkstesch:
The picture of the galaxy was shot during the challenge period, with a camera of a photo of the galaxy from an astronomy book. My thinking was that there was no way anyone would think I'm trying to fool them into thinking I'd taken it. It is not clip art. It is a photo of a photo.
All photos were submitted for validation. All photos except the mud texture were taken during the challenge window. The mud texture was specifically allowed to be taken outside the challenge window.
The question is regarding the galaxy image. That's where the DQ came in. |
I am not going to contribute to the debate about the DQ being right or wrong , but I will give you a safe solution:
Next time take a photo of the poster, book or whatever the galaxy image is printed on, then put it as background layer in CorelDraw, Pagemaker, Photoshop, anything you like, and draw/paint by hand (your hand of course) your own version over it on a different layer, then use your drawing/painting in the composition. The result will be close to identical and you will be 100% safe since there are tons of precedents about drawings, digitally made by your own hand, being legal.
Message edited by author 2010-05-18 00:11:20. |
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05/17/2010 11:41:41 PM · #36 |
Nuts to DQ!
Whoever among you has a space station, equipped with a Hubble-like telescope ... cast the first stone!
Give me a freakin' break!!! |
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05/18/2010 01:36:16 AM · #37 |
You aren't the first person to be DQéd for that reason!!!
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05/18/2010 11:55:38 AM · #38 |
Judi,that's a shame, but understandable with the ruleset that was used then. No longer does the rule set prohibit the use of previous photos. Instead it says:
"You may:
include images that are clearly recognizable as existing artwork when photographing your entry. Images that could be mistaken for real objects in the scene may also be included, but must not be so prominent that voters are basically judging a photo of a photo."
So, you can see my confusion. |
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