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04/21/2010 08:58:35 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Conclusion Theory-based abstinence-only interventions may have an important role in preventing adolescent sexual involvement. |
Surely Doc you must comprehend that any study which has a conclusion premised by the word May, is for all intents and purposes, almost totally devoid of any truly meaningful merit.
Ray
Message edited by author 2010-04-21 20:59:16. |
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04/21/2010 09:03:43 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by Louis:
I just finished with Jason in IM about all this. He's flummoxed and probably pissed at me. I actually do understand the issue of equal but different partners that he is trying to represent, and I don't doubt that there is love and equality in his marriage (I don't know him in RL, so how dare I presume otherwise), but my contention is that he is assigning roles according to the statutes of his beliefs -- in effect, trying to shoehorn a real world situation into the tenets of his beliefs. I think it's unfortunate, but if it doesn't make either of them unhappy and it doesn't kill anyone, who cares. |
That's the issue, really.....it sets a bad example, to bring up children in this world thinking that the inequity is acceptable. If a woman wasn't indoctrinated into that way of thinking from the earlist, most impressionable time of her life, no way she'll buy into it if it wasn't ground into her. Thing is, if you take the gender out of the picture, then one partner must agree to submit as part of the contract......it's not realistic to equate that as a jobn, it's acquiescing, and agreeing to NOT have a say in the final outcome. If you view it as genderless, it makes less sense, if you view it from the Christian standpoint, it assumes the woman as secondary. That's not a good thing.
Originally posted by Louis:
About resolving ultimate impasses: I don't think a love relationship comes to an ultimate impasse; it probably ceases to be one at that point. I believe you can actively resolve important differences through discussion that is of the same spirit as the love relationship it concerns. I don't believe either partner needs to be set up as CEO/ultimate arbiter/decision maker/grand pooh-bah over the other; my sense simply rebels at this, and I have a very healthy suspicion that the concept is merely rooted in traditional belief than in anything that happily works universally for truly equal loving couples. |
Amen.
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04/21/2010 09:06:44 PM · #78 |
Just what is your point here Doc? Three individuals feel that their rights were trampled upon and are asking the courts for redress...just how does that make them or anyone else stupid?
Ray
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04/21/2010 09:06:45 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Man, some are acting as if Jason clubbed his wife and forced her to marry him. I thought we were for equal rights which means letting people live the lives they want. |
That's not the case and you know it. His scenario has to have the woman assume the secondary role in order for it to apply to his traditions and has nothing to do with what's right for two human beings to share a life on an equal footing.
Louis said it best.....
I don't believe either partner needs to be set up as CEO/ultimate arbiter/decision maker/grand pooh-bah over the other; my sense simply rebels at this, and I have a very healthy suspicion that the concept is merely rooted in traditional belief than in anything that happily works universally for truly equal loving couples.
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04/21/2010 09:08:17 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by Nullix:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
This coming from an organization whose perceptions are so out of line with reality that they would readily sacrifice the life of a pregnant 10 year old child rather than permit an abortion, regardless of the fact that she was raped by her step father...you might want to peruse to contents of This...it truly shows just how archaic some beliefs are.
Ray |
One proof of evil in the world is the rape of a minor. That is truly horrible.
However, should the innocent be killed for the sins of the father? |
Perhaps you might want to explain this to me again... I am truly not grasping the message you are trying to convey in this instance.
Ray |
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04/21/2010 09:16:41 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
... Christianity coined the profound, yet oxymoronic, phrase "servant leader". I don't even quite need to have one role always assigned to the husband and one to the wife. However, four thousand years of culture (and perhaps even genetic makeup) probably assign the roles in a "traditional" manner more often than not. |
...and yet, in some cultures that far predate that which you seemingly refer to, ascribe a totally different role that you seem to describe in this instance, and whole societies remain, to this day, "Matriarchal" by definition.
You might also take into consideration that a great number of wives have opted to have the word "Obey" stricken from their wedding vows... perhaps a sign that the tradition you speak of is waning.
Ray |
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04/21/2010 09:18:00 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Ah, the ubiquitous sight of people lobbing rotten tomatoes from their little hills of stone... |
Ah yes... welcome back to you too Doc. :O)
Ray |
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04/21/2010 09:26:09 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
hehe. They probably also think I only "do it" with the lights off and on top... ;) |
...Of course you would be on top, you are after all the CEO, right?
...and what is so difficult about rendering a decision in the dark? :O)
Ray |
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04/21/2010 10:12:04 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Just what is your point here Doc? Three individuals feel that their rights were trampled upon and are asking the courts for redress...just how does that make them or anyone else stupid?
Ray |
Well, the thread was talking about people being stupid. I thought there was a bunch of stupidity in this article. Probably the most humorous is the rule that you couldn't have more than 2 non-gay players on your baseball team. Did nobody think that at some point someone was going to challenge a team on this rule. What method was going to be used to determine the "gayness" of a player? Ummm, John, this is Bill. We're gonna leave you two alone for twenty minutes to verify the legal standing of the team. Less humorous, but equally stupid is the idea that a group which has been viewed as oppressed is now being accused of oppressing another "less worthy" group.
That's all. It's a throwaway article. I could have posted the one about the Whatcom county (the county where I went to undergrad) felon who was running a farm which provided a place for clients to have sex with animals. |
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04/21/2010 10:14:56 PM · #85 |
| Jeb, how about you just take your Prozac and we call it a night? If there's a takehome from what I'm trying to say it can be found in the phrase "equality (without sameness)". If you take my view to be summed up by that, then you are doing well. |
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04/21/2010 10:38:21 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
If there's a takehome from what I'm trying to say it can be found in the phrase "equality (without sameness)." |
That sounds just like the old "separate but equal" concept used to justify segregation. Those without the same say in matters are inherently unequal. |
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04/21/2010 10:38:40 PM · #87 |
I was just talking to Jenn about how difficult it is for those outside the Church to understand these passages. She told me, "I don't think it's worth it to get all stressed out about that if they don't get it."
I'm gonna listen to her... ;) |
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04/21/2010 10:43:00 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I was just talking to Jenn about how difficult it is for those outside the Church to understand these passages. |
The calling card of indoctrination, not truth. |
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04/21/2010 10:48:52 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I was just talking to Jenn about how difficult it is for those outside the Church to understand these passages. She told me, "I don't think it's worth it to get all stressed out about that if they don't get it." |
Oh.....we get it, it just doesn't work in real life.
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04/21/2010 11:11:41 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I was just talking to Jenn about how difficult it is for those outside the Church to understand these passages. She told me, "I don't think it's worth it to get all stressed out about that if they don't get it." |
Oh.....we get it, it just doesn't work in real life. |
Seems to work just fine in Jason's life, and his wife's. For a guy that always takes such massive exception to people that force their morality on other people, your personal grudge here seems a little bizarre and out-of-line. (and funny as hell). |
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04/21/2010 11:54:36 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by Nullix:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
This coming from an organization whose perceptions are so out of line with reality that they would readily sacrifice the life of a pregnant 10 year old child rather than permit an abortion, regardless of the fact that she was raped by her step father...you might want to peruse to contents of This...it truly shows just how archaic some beliefs are.
Ray |
One proof of evil in the world is the rape of a minor. That is truly horrible.
However, should the innocent be killed for the sins of the father? |
Perhaps you might want to explain this to me again... I am truly not grasping the message you are trying to convey in this instance.
Ray |
It is truly a horrible crime to rape a child. It is equally evil to inflict motherhood on a 9 or 13 year old.
On the other hand, should the innocent unborn child be killed because their father is a rapist?
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Not certain if you actually read the article since there is no mention of a 10 year old nor anyone dying or being sacrificed.
Message edited by author 2010-04-21 23:57:48. |
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04/22/2010 12:05:16 AM · #92 |
Originally posted by Nullix:
Not certain if you actually read the article since there is no mention of a 10 year old nor anyone dying or being sacrificed. |
Originally posted by The Article:
Earlier this month, a nine-year-old girl carrying twins after being raped by her 23-year-old stepfather was given permission to undergo an abortion in Brazil, where the procedure is illegal. Doctors felt the child’s life would be at risk and didn’t believe she’d be able to carry the babies full term. The Roman Catholic Church condemned the abortion and excommunicated the girl’s mother as well as the doctors who performed the procedure. |
So without an abortion, the child AND the twins could die. Thus, the church prefers to sacrifice all their lives than consider the circumstances. |
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04/22/2010 12:07:28 AM · #93 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Nullix:
Not certain if you actually read the article since there is no mention of a 10 year old nor anyone dying or being sacrificed. |
Originally posted by The Article:
Earlier this month, a nine-year-old girl carrying twins after being raped by her 23-year-old stepfather was given permission to undergo an abortion in Brazil, where the procedure is illegal. Doctors felt the child’s life would be at risk and didn’t believe she’d be able to carry the babies full term. The Roman Catholic Church condemned the abortion and excommunicated the girl’s mother as well as the doctors who performed the procedure. |
So without an abortion, the child AND the twins could die. Thus, the church prefers to sacrifice all their lives than consider the circumstances. |
I sure hope we don't get the usual "That should have been left in the hands of God" rhetoric. |
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04/22/2010 12:10:37 AM · #94 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
I sure hope we don't get the usual "That should have been left in the hands of God" rhetoric. |
It certainly didn't help prevent the rape. |
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04/22/2010 01:17:02 AM · #95 |
| I think you all are confused about the relative roles of the CEO and the Board of Directors. The Board is "superior" in having the ability/responsibility to set policy and to hire/fire the CEO, the latter having the day-to-day responsibility to ensure that such policies are carried out with maximum effectiveness and minimum expense. |
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04/22/2010 03:09:04 AM · #96 |
Ultimately these religious conversations, generally between Scalvert and DrAchoo with NikonJeb sniping from the sidelines, boil down to
"You`re an idiot because you don`t believe in what I believe in."
The thread will end up like all the others going over the same old crap all the time then just fizzle out until the next time someone starts a theological discussion.
However, I would love to know if DrAchoo thinks the original post (about the muslim cleric blaming women for Earthquakes) is a load of nonsense or actually has some merit?
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04/22/2010 03:36:37 AM · #97 |
Originally posted by Simms:
I would love to know if DrAchoo thinks the original post (about the muslim cleric blaming women for Earthquakes) is a load of nonsense or actually has some merit? |
Of course it has no merit. It's not the Bible or a Christian leader teaching it. If it were... 100% true ;)
Message edited by author 2010-04-22 03:37:34. |
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04/22/2010 03:45:16 AM · #98 |
Originally posted by Simms:
Ultimately these religious conversations, generally between Scalvert and DrAchoo with NikonJeb sniping from the sidelines, boil down to
"You`re an idiot because you don`t believe in what I believe in."
The thread will end up like all the others going over the same old crap all the time then just fizzle out until the next time someone starts a theological discussion.
However, I would love to know if DrAchoo thinks the original post (about the muslim cleric blaming women for Earthquakes) is a load of nonsense or actually has some merit? |
this thread has just started, we are warming up. Still 9999999 pages more to go.
Message edited by author 2010-04-22 03:48:42. |
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04/22/2010 05:23:13 AM · #99 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
If your wife buys your crap, I feel really bad for her, and if she did "submit", and agrees to defer to you because of that senseless crap, then she's a victim of the worst kind of inequality and oppression.....she was brought up to believe that garbage instead of being encouraged to grow and blossom into an individual in mind, heart, and spirit.
What a pity. |
You've obviously never met Jen. |
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04/22/2010 07:15:55 AM · #100 |
Originally posted by Nullix:
On the other hand, should the innocent unborn child be killed because their father is a rapist?
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Yes! Without a second thought.
Can you imagine being told your father is a rapist and you were the product of his crimes? To bring this child into this world would be cruel and very egotistical and selfish by the mother or her church. Funny how the religious want to save little two week old foetuses but can't grasp the awkwardness and difficulty of raising a child of rape. Truly incredible when you think about it. To me it's revolting, disconcerting and just plain ignorant of the facts to even think of not having an abortion.
Message edited by author 2010-04-22 07:17:29. |
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